Time Warp Baseball

[canadiancreed]

This year's NL race is actually intresting.

The Phillies are showing their age

The cards are, IMO, the favourites with Shipley and Emberling, along with Ingram goign great guns and giving there ptiching the force that their hitting has had for a few years.

The Braves i've been pimping for years (sorry), and if they can get the pitching and the hitting on the same page, its' going o be a hard, down to the wire finish

The Giants are the dark horses of this race. They seem to have enough clout to sneak in and take everything if all three of these teams start dogging it.

As for the Reds.....I'll let others make that assessment, I'm just happy I'm not i last.....well kind of

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

The Phillies are showing their age

IMO, if they hadn't traded everyone away, they'd be running away with it again.

I see JT's strategy, getting worth out of his players while he can instead of just letting them get old & retire, then go thru a long rebuilding process like the Phils did after their 20s/30s dynasty.

But still, it's ballsy. I think they would be 5-10 games up right now with Rauch and company.

[canadiancreed]

True true. It's a good strat, persoanlly I dont know hows he's staying at the level that he is.

Oh wait, he's got three very good starters in the rotation, and a career year from Carte (almost said fluke, that's my guy)

[jdw]

> --Should've made Lutske a
> starter from day one. He's
> been great for me this year

Gives up a lot of dingers, but the low HA and BB along with the park mark it less of a killer for him. I think he'd have big problems in Wrigley.


> --Chaucer's not hitting
> the ball like last year,
> even though he's still
> having another BOTY
> type year again

.319/.406/.620 - 1949 Total (33/4/42 EBH)
.280/.339/.634 - 1950 Road (7/1/16 EBH)
.246/.329/.413 - 1950 Home (11/0/4 EBH)

The park is killing him. Double his road numbers, and it would be 32 HR... in the first half of the season.

His OBP is down when comparing 1950 Road to 1949 Total. Fisher batting behind him could have something to do with that.

Frank - remind me at the end of the year to research the record for home and road HR. For reference, he's Oscar's peak numbers:

Year - Home/Road
1936 - 24/23
1937 - 26/33
1938 - 26/27
1939 - 34/25

I suspect that 1937 road number is the record. With the exception of a few ones here, I have my almanacs on my hard drive at the office... so I can pull up Willard's for his 50 HR season. I thought he got a big home park bump either than year or his 40 HR year.


John

[jdw]

canadiancreed wrote:

> This year's NL race is
> actually intresting.
>
> The Phillies are showing their age

At Matt say, less age than talent moved.


> The cards are, IMO, the favourites
> with Shipley and Emberling, along
> with Ingram goign great guns and
> giving there ptiching the force that
> their hitting has had for a few years.

They were the favorites going into the season after the Fellner deal. They were the favorites when the Phils started making trades. They were favorites when they were hanging 2 games back SIM after SIM after SIM. They're favorites now that they're 1.5 games up. Still... after the 1948 close and 1949 open, there's something about this team that just makes you feal uneasy.

Their offense isn't exactly kicking ass and taking names. There's a cluster of five NL teams between 382-396 runs scored. The Braves actually have the most runs scored, and considering their park, they pretty much are the best offense in the NL. The Cubs are #2, but Wrigley inflates. The Giants, Cards and Phils are all clustered betweem 382-386. Then you drop down the Reds at 353, and then fall off the cliff to the Pirates and Dodgers at 309 and 303 runs.

So the Cards offense isn't really busting up the league. "Good", but considering how up runs are this year, it's not exceptional.

Their pitching has been pretty good.


> The Braves i've been pimping
> for years (sorry), and if they
> can get the pitching and the
> hitting on the same page, its'
> going o be a hard, down to
> the wire finish

They need to shake out that back end of the rotation. The offense is pretty good given the park. Lock filling in for Moore is going to be important. Despite all the doom and gloom rumors out of the front office, here they are half way through the year and just 4.5 back.


> The Giants are the dark
> horses of this race. They
> seem to have enough clout
> to sneak in and take
> everything if all three of
> these teams start dogging it.

The problem they have right now simply in the standing is that they have so many teams to jump. They're closer to last place than first place. And while earlier in the season one might be able to discount the Phils when they were in first, the Cards are now the team to chase - you can't kid yourself that they're going to play back to you.

They sort of need that spurt to get back in it. And the rotation to settle down.


> As for the Reds..... I'll let others
> make that assessment, I'm just
> happy I'm not i last.....well kind
> of

What's funny is that they probably could win the flag by selling out their future. Come the next SIM, they probably won't be able to as the gap widens a bit.


John

[Carlton]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

True true. It's a good strat, persoanlly I dont know hows he's staying at the level that he is.

Oh wait, he's got three very good starters in the rotation, and a career year from Carte (almost said fluke, that's my guy)

Wrong

Most people though Bussman was my target but as the White ZSox can affirm, Carte was ALWAYS in the deal....he was the one I wanted and Bussman was the throw in

[tward13]

Agreed on the race. I'm disappointed with my (Giants) rotation, but at this point I'm going to sit back and just hope these guys can pitch to the level they have before. If they can just get their ERA down a bit the offense should carry. Every guy in the rotation (plus Light who started earlier) is a run or more higher than last year.

We'll see.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Carlton

Wrong

Most people though Bussman was my target but as the White ZSox can affirm, Carte was ALWAYS in the deal....he was the one I wanted and Bussman was the throw in

Either way, it gets you two of three solid starters, with Bray evening out the ranks. Even if he was a "throw-in", that's not a half bad one.

Originally Posted by jdw

> As for the Reds..... I'll let others
> make that assessment, I'm just
> happy I'm not i last.....well kind
> of

What's funny is that they probably could win the flag by selling out their future. Come the next SIM, they probably won't be able to as the gap widens a bit.

I kind of agree. The thing that seems to be keeping this team going is that my pitching core hasnt impolded, and i'm not talking abotu Stell (although he is a handy addition). McGlathery and Bajofer are doing better than I figured on, and the Fluke (Lepre), well i'm at a loss to explain that. Thing thing is that we dont have a rotation that is up to the level that the Phillies or the Cards are at, and our offense is not there either, so unless we score jsut enough runs to wins games, I dont think it's happening.

As for morgaging our future....no thanks. DOnt feel like being in last for the next ten years

[Matt from TN]

Originally Posted by jdw

The park is killing him. Double his road numbers, and it would be 32 HR... in the first half of the season.

That's really a shock because HR factors at Braves Field have actually improved for RH batters... went up from 67 to 77... the people getting hurt league-wide are LH sluggers... For the Braves, LH HR factor dropped from 67 to 48.

I think everyone's overexagerating the factor change. Only people negatively affected in any park (I checked) are all LH power #'s and there are few LH sluggers. The only one worth mentioning is Rauch.

I think everyone should take a second look: http://southernbaseball.com/modules....t=710&start=15

HR factors used to be averaged for RH and LH's... Now RH's factors went up & LH's went down ONLY in parks that weren't active as of about 2002 or 2003... IOW, Fenway, Yankee, Wrigley's factors didn't change...

As for Oscar, I'm shocked to see his home HR #'s down at anytime since Ebbets Field was slightly above avg for HR's (102)... Perhaps that's because there were other BETTER HR parks in the NL, like Wrigley (127 for RH), Polo (138), Shibe (110) and Sportsman's (104)... Then look at the other 3: Forbes (88), Crosley (80) and Braves (67)... Makes Ebbett's 102 look more like AVERAGE than GOOD to HR hitters.

And as for Schwarz, I'm sure his park helped since Shibe was a 110.

EDIT: The people REALLY effected by parks have been the Giants long list of sluggers. Ditty, Kohse and Jarry. Froggy Borgert hit 40 there when he returned. Then Johnson, Lamberty, Howard, et al.

[jdw]

> And as for Schwarz, I'm sure his park helped
> since Shibe was a 110.

At the time, it would have been the Baker Bowl. Which was off the charts.

However, when I looked at a couple of people (Pops and Willard) in the era, OOTP and TWB didn't produce the extreme park numbers that they should have in that park. My recollection is that they did pop some strong home seasons here and there, but not as much as it should have.


John

[jdw]

> I kind of agree. The thing that seems
> to be keeping this team going is
> that my pitching core hasnt impolded,

You had no core at the start of the season, and I seem to recall it did implode. You were well under .500 the first month, had a .500 May, and then something like a 16-10 in June pulled you up to where you are now.


> and i'm not talking abotu Stell (although
> he is a handy addition).

Your rotation probably would have blown up in June without him. I haven't a clue who you would have rolled out in his spot, but it's a frighting concept in general. Your team is 7-3 when Stell starts. Two of those losses being his first two starts. Flip is 7-3 to a 3-7, and you're team is under .500. I wouldn't even make the comment that you could compete this year if you didn't have someone of Stell's level in the rotation.


> McGlathery and Bajofer are doing
> better than I figured on,

8-3 with a Bajofer 2.88 ERA and about 9.52 Runners/Game is awfully nice in the two months you've had him. He gives up a fair number of dingers, and walks a few, but there is potential to improve both of those as he's 7/6/5 over 7/7/6 talent.

McGlathery has been more up and down, especially in June. Whether he settles or not is a question. He has vastly better ratings that what you were rolling out to start the season.

You did give up a trio of younger players for those two. All three of those have question marks, but some talent bumps could turn one more of them into contributors. But you picked up a pair of 31 year old pitchers, one who's paying instant dividends and the other who has room for improvement and shown some flashes. Since your rotation just flat out blew to start the year (as much for talent level than just playing poorly), it was a good deal for the Reds so far.


> and the Fluke (Lepre), well i'm
> at a loss to explain that.

Lepre has 4/3/3 Overall... it beats the crap out of me how he's doing this:

TOP 10 NL ERA
1 S. Allen (BSN) 2.51
2 W. Carte (PHI) 2.66
3 H. Lepre (CIN) 2.76
4 B. Bussmann (PHI) 2.99
5 J. Lutske (BSN) 3.00
6 C. Stell (CIN) 3.15
7 A. Shipley (STL) 3.24
8 J. Charnley (STL) 3.54
9 E. Janke (CHN) 3.56
10 G. Howell (BSN) 3.57


John

[Vris]

3 in the top 10 in ERA. That's consistency.

[ifspuds]

Originally Posted by jdw

> McGlathery and Bajofer are doing
> better than I figured on,

8-3 with a Bajofer 2.88 ERA and about 9.52 Runners/Game is awfully nice in the two months you've had him. He gives up a fair number of dingers, and walks a few, but there is potential to improve both of those as he's 7/6/5 over 7/7/6 talent.

It just figures. I wait for years for Bajofer to do something, anything useful for me. I trade him, and he goes on a tear. Where's the justice, I ask you?

[jdw]

ifspuds wrote:

> It just figures. I wait for years for Bajofer to
> do something, anything useful for me. I trade
> him, and he goes on a tear. Where's the
> justice, I ask you?

You got talent back for him.


John

[jdw]

Here's a quick summary of the Gold Glove records through 1949. Where there is a "tie", I try to list them in the order of who did it first.


Most Gold Glove Awards - Total

12 - Maurice Woodson STL 2B (1909-1920)*

11 - Ray Brown PIT CF/LF (1910-17, 1920-21, 1924)

10 - Kevin Stines STL 2B (1922-26, 1928-29, 1931-33)
10 - Harry Finley NYA C (1927-31, 1933-36, 1939)

9 - Harry Cohan BSN/CHN C (1910-11, 1913, 1915-16, 1918-19, 1921, 1925)
9 - Ralph Tumbridge NYA 1B (1926, 1930-37)
9 - Ted Stuart SLA/PHA/PHI SS (1939, 1941-48)

8 - Genaro Nunez BOS 2B (1919-25, 1928)
8 - Willard Schwarz PHI C (1922-23, 1926-28, 1931-32, 1937)
8 - Dale Lamberty NYG 3B (1931-32, 40, 42-45, 47)

7 - Jassen Nelson NYA P (1906, 1908-10, 1912-13, 1916)
7 - Terrey Christiansen STL 3B (1909, 1911-14, 1916, 1918)
7 - Lawrence Barry DET/CIN LF (1926-31, 1933)
7 - Dave Arkless CHN CF (1927, 1929, 1932-33, 1937, 1941-42)
7 - Joe Campbell CLE CF (1934-35, 1937, 1939-41, 44)

6 - Jeff Baumschlager BKN 3B (1901-05, 1907)
6 - Ralph Nida SLA/NYA 3B (1903-05, 1907, 1909-10)
6 - Ryley Gerbeck CHA RF (1904-07, 1909-10)
6 - Travis Hunt PIT SS (1905-09, 1911)
6 - Scott Podlasek PIT RF (1908, 1910-14)
6 - Michael Borkholder PIT LF (1910-14, 1916)
6 - Patrick Seifried CLE/NYA 1B (1910-11, 1913, 1916-17, 1919)
6 - Pat Folyard WSH/DET LF (1914, 1916-20)
6 - Charles Hagaman DET 3B (1911-14, 1919, 1921)
6 - Tyrell Chestnut BOS RF (1927-31, 1936)
6 - Charles Netzer CHN/CLE LF (1929-32, 1937, 1939)
6 - Art Booth NYA P (1930, 1933, 1936, 1939-40, 43)
6 - Pokey Dorsey BOS/PHI 2B (1939, 41-43, 45, 48)

* this assumes Woodson would have won the "missing" 1918 award.


Most Gold Glove Awards - By Position

Pitcher
7 - Jassen Nelson NYA P (1906, 1908-10, 1912-13, 1916)
6 - Art Booth NYA P (1930, 1933, 1936, 1939-40, 43)
5 - Joe Taylor BKN/CHN P (1911, 1913-14, 1917, 1920)
5 - Babe Hardin CHA P (1927, 1929, 1931-32, 1937)

Catcher
10 - Harry Finley NYA C (1927-31, 1933-36, 1939)
9 - Harry Cohan BSN/CHN C (1910-11, 1913, 1915-16, 1918-19, 1921, 1925)
8 - Willard Schwarz PHI C (1922-23, 1926-28, 1931-32, 1937)
5 - Vern Adameitz PIT C (1929-30, 1933-35)

First Base
9 - Ralph Tumbridge NYA 1B (1926, 1930-37)
6 - Patrick Seifried CLE/NYA 1B (1910-11, 1913, 1916-17, 1919)
5 - Paul Gibson NYA/STL 1B (1915-17, 1919-20)
5 - Grover Warren BSN 1B (1931, 1933-34, 1936-37)

Second Base
12 - Maurice Woodson STL 2B (1909-1920)*
10 - Kevin Stines STL 2B (1922-26, 1928-29, 1931-33)
8 - Genaro Nunez BOS 2B (1919-25, 1928)
6 - Pokey Dorsey BOS/PHI 2B (1939, 41-43, 45, 48)
5 - Brad Coffenberger BKN 2B (1937 , 1939-42)

Third Base
8 - Dale Lamberty NYG 3B (1931-32, 40, 42-45, 47)
7 - Terrey Christiansen STL 3B (1909, 1911-14, 1916, 1918)
6 - Jeff Baumschlager BKN 3B (1901-05, 1907)
6 - Ralph Nida SLA/NYA 3B (1903-05, 1907, 1909-10)
6 - Charles Hagaman DET 3B (1911-14, 1919, 1921)
5 - Calvin Paige BOS/NYA 3B (1916-18, 1920, 1922)
5 - Giuseppe Nonnewitz PHI/CHA 3B (1919, 1926, 1928-30)

Shortstop
9 - Ted Stuart SLA/PHA/PHI SS (1939, 1941-48)
6 - Travis Hunt PIT SS (1905-09, 1911)
5 - Jebediah Shaver NYA SS (1911, 1915-17, 1919)
5 - Jamie Kubic CHA SS (1931, 1934-35, 1937-38)

Leftfield
7 - Lawrence Barry DET/CIN LF (1926-31, 1933)
6 - Michael Borkholder PIT LF (1910-14, 1916)
6 - Pat Folyard WSH/DET LF (1914, 1916-20)
6 - Charles Netzer CHN/CLE LF (1929-32, 1937, 1939)
5 - Wayne Czeslawski PHA LF (1901, 1904-06, 1908)
5 - Charles Netzer CHN/CLE LF (1929-32, 1937)

Centerfield
10 - Ray Brown PIT CF (1910-17, 1920-21)
7 - Dave Arkless CHN CF (1927, 1929, 1932-33, 1937, 1941-42)
7 - Joe Campbell CLE CF (1934-35, 1937, 1939-41, 44)
5 - Montey Lawley WSH CF (1902, 1904, 1910-11, 1917)
5 - Morton Chamblee STL CF (1939-40, 46-48)

Rightfield
6 - Ryley Gerbeck CHA RF (1904-07, 1909-10)
6 - Scott Podlasek PIT RF (1908, 1910-14)
6 - Tyrell Chestnut BOS RF (1927-31, 1936)
5 - Hubey Herndon SLA RF (1915, 1920-23)
6 - Tony Monachino SLA RF (1937, 41-43, 47-48)
5 - Charlie Matthews BKN RF (1919, 1921, 1924-25, 1928)

Most Consecutive Most Gold Glove Awards

12 - Maurice Woodson STL 2B (1909-1920)*

8 - Ray Brown PIT CF (1910-17)
8 - Ralph Tumbridge NYA 1B (1930-37)
8 - Ted Stuart PHA/PHI SS (1941-48)

7 - Genaro Nunez BOS 2B (1919-25)

6 - Lawrence Barry DET/CIN LF (1926-31)

5 - Jeff Baumschlager BKN 3B (1901-05)
5 - Travis Hunt PIT SS (1905-09)
5 - Scott Podlasek PIT RF (1910-14)
5 - Michael Borkholder PIT LF (1910-14)
5 - Pat Folyard WSH/DET LF (1916-20)
5 - Kevin Stines STL 2B (1922-26)
5 - Harry Finley NYA C (1927-31)
5 - Tyrell Chestnut BOS RF (1927-31)

4 - Ryley Gerbeck CHA RF (1904-07)
4 - Justin Achman NYA 1B (1906-09)
4 - Terrey Christiansen STL 3B (1911-14)
4 - Charles Hagaman DET 3B (1911-14)
4 - Hubey Herndon SLA RF (1920-23)
4 - Charles Netzer CHN/CLE LF (1929-32)
4 - Jon Minzey WSH CF (1930-33)
4 - Harry Finley NYA C (1933-36)
4 - John Storback DET LF (1933-36)
4 - Brad Coffenberger BKN 2B (1939-42)
4 - Dale Lamberty NYG 3B (1942-45)
4 - Allen March NYA LF (1943-46)

Harry Finley is the only player to have two different streaks of four or more consecutive awards.


Gold Glove Awards At Two Positions

Chris Jennings - RF 1904-05 / LF 1908
Stirling LaFreniere - RF 1901 / C 1912
Ray Brown - CF 1910-17, 1920-21 / LF 1924
Tike Kaufman - 1B 1926-28, 1932 / 3B 1933
Hal Smith - CF 1934 / RF 1937-39, 1942
Hal Dumais - 3B 1938 / SS 1942
Mitch Cole - 2B 1943 / SS 1944
Ping Hung - RF 1946 / CF 1947-48
Jimmy Ditty - CF 1938, 1946 / RF 1949

Gold Glove Awards with Three Teams

Ted Stuart (SS) - SLA 1939 / PHA 41-43 / PHI 44-48

Most by Team

89 - Yankees
76 - Cards
73 - Pirates
64 - Dodgers
57 - Indians
55 - Braves
55 - Red Sox
54 - Tigers
51 - Browns
51 - Cubs
48 - White Sox
46 - Phillies
45 - A's
45 - Giants
42 - Senators
31 - Reds


John

[ifspuds]

Originally Posted by jdw

ifspuds wrote:

> It just figures. I wait for years for Bajofer to
> do something, anything useful for me. I trade
> him, and he goes on a tear. Where's the
> justice, I ask you?

You got talent back for him.

There you go again, getting all sensible on me.

[jdw]

On the By Team list for Gold Gloves, it was intersting to find so many cross town rivals right next to each other:

89 - Yankees
76 - Cards
73 - Pirates
64 - Dodgers
57 - Indians
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55 - Braves
55 - Red Sox
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54 - Tigers
51 - Browns
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51 - Cubs
48 - White Sox
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46 - Phillies
45 - A's
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45 - Giants
42 - Senators
31 - Reds


John

[canadiancreed]

Yeesh not only have we sucked in the Gold Glove awards, but by a wide margin.

I wonder what my predeseccors used for selection criteria, a dart board?

[metsgeek]

Originally Posted by jdw

Gold Glove Awards At Two Positions

Chris Jennings - RF 1904-05 / LF 1908
Stirling LaFreniere - RF 1901 / C 1912
Ray Brown - CF 1910-17, 1920-21 / LF 1924
Tike Kaufman - 1B 1926-28, 1932 / 3B 1933
Hal Smith - CF 1934 / RF 1937-39, 1942
Hal Dumais - 3B 1938 / SS 1942
Mitch Cole - 2B 1943 / SS 1944
Ping Hung - RF 1946 / CF 1947-48

You missed one: Jimmy Ditty - CF 1938, 1946 / RF 1949

Had to give props to my grandfather

[jdw]

Good catch, Mets. Don't know why I missed that, being a Jimmy fan and all.

John