Time Warp Baseball - Page 165

Matt from TN · 01-06-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by canadiancreed

holy crap how the hell did the Sox implode that badly?!

Not sure they completely imploded... Their pitching wasn't all that good last year either.

....2,000

Thanks Vris

jdw · 01-07-2005, 01:54 AM

Vris wrote:

> Adding to the worst hitter argument, Hackin'
> Jack has to get consideration. Even though he
> puts up an OBP over .330 with that sub-.200
> average. He's at 626 hits for his career, all
> leading up to a .216 average (.319 OBP).
> Quick question: Who has the largest disparity
> in their career between the two?

Skeeter is a career .304 BA with a .458 OBP. There's going to be a tough gap to top.

Among other regulars....

Hargey is a .272/.382 on the same team. Martineau is .296/.405. Marziani is .266/.373 and his gap is growing every year since 1947 as he's close to maxing out his 10 Eye (he's at 9), and his contact is a brutal 4. He's a really wonderful player, especially considering the park is a killer.

The incredible Ray Kress is a .325/.435. Since he's a 9 contact and a 10 Eye, there are limits how big his gap will be, especially with massive power hitters coming up behind him. Put him in the Dodgers current line-up, he might walk enough to get on at a .500+ clip in addition to hitting .330+.

Luther Ormiston hits right behing Kress, has a 9 Eye (10 potential) with a 6 contact... and 8 Power (10 potential). .279/.390.

Al Jackson is a 270/.381. Ben Cook is .252/.362, and that's growing. He does have 6 contact potential, but the Eye is a 10 potential that's already at 9. He has almost a .150 gap this year.

Vardaman is a .240/.366, and just 23. His contact potential is 9, so he's not likely to match Skeeter's gap over the course of his career. If he reaches his contact potential, he is a candidate to get on at a .500 clip at his peak.

Groaning is a .287/.394. Doc Barton is a .255/.370. If he stayed healthy last year (and obviously was healthy coming into this season), would be much closer to Skeeter. He has a low number of career PAs, so full seasons (like his 1948) have ability to quickly change his career numbers. .248/.416 in 1948, and .297/.434 in 82 games in 1949 before the season ending injury.

Looking at the all-time BB leaderboard for guys that were .100+...

Bussell was a .305/.417. Lamberty was a .279/.397. Kohse was .324/.433. Sunny Davie was a .285/.386. Slap Hertzog was a .314/.423. The underrated Bud Breckenridge was a .303/.408. Kinnear was .272/.372. Pee Wee Osborne was .293/.393. Netzer was .276/.388. Tyke Kaufman was .300/.421. Hunter is .273/.387.

For reference, Woody Woodson was .364/.452. Prior to Skeeter, I've got to think the .452 OBP is the all-time career OBP record. Trussell was at .446. The other top ones I've run across are in the .420s. Kress is in his prime and has run off three straight .460+ seasons, and is .471 with a .364 BA. Barring something odd, he will push that .435 OBP into the .440s in the next couple of seasons. I don't know if he's going to be able to keep it there before fading.

No doubt I'm missing some people here.

> And congrats on 2,000 posts Matt.

Dittos.

John

gambler · 01-07-2005, 09:39 AM

Just a random weird stat...

Take a look at Vince Thimpson (Cubs secondbaseman), he of the 2 power rating. His high in HRs was, well, a 1 last season... in 390 ABs. This year, with over 150 less ABs so far he has *7*. Talk about a statistical anomaly... Must have had a lot of high wind days in Wrigley, either that or he's about to get a huge talent bump.

Matt from TN · 01-07-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gambler

Just a random weird stat...

Take a look at Vince Thimpson (Cubs secondbaseman), he of the 2 power rating. His high in HRs was, well, a 1 last season... in 390 ABs. This year, with over 150 less ABs so far he has *7*. Talk about a statistical anomaly... Must have had a lot of high wind days in Wrigley, either that or he's about to get a huge talent bump.

Probably just pulling a Brady Anderson.

Matt from TN · 01-07-2005, 10:37 AM

June 1950

The White Sox went 18-8 in June and pulled into a tied for first with the A's, who went 15-11. The Tigers stayed in the race with a 15-12 record, but a 12-15 record for the Browns dropped them 6.5-games back. Meanwhile, the defending AL champion Red Sox fall futher and further down in the standings. They are 14.5 games back thanks to a miserable pitching staff that ranks worst in the majors in nearly all major categories, including a horrendous 5.86 team ERA (that was above 6.00 just two weeks ago). They have allowed more runs than any other team, including a whopping 55 unearned runs.

Browns LF Johnny Champagne went on a 32-game hitting streak that was snapped in 4-3 loss at Yankee Stadium on June 14th. The streak was 3 games longer than any other in team history, and it was just 2 games shy of the AL record set by Yankees HOF'er Gus Kahle in 1926. The Browns also landed Jonny Perly in a trade with the Phillies. Perly has had his best month this season since moving to the AL. He hit .316 in June with a .427 OBP, 23 runs and 15 steals.

The Cardinals finally pulled into 1st with a 16-10 record. The Phillies went 12-14, dropping 1.5-games back. After a sizeable winning streak last month, the Braves suffered through a 11-game losing streak in June, including a disastrous 4-game sweep by the Cards. They recovered by winning 10 of their final 12 games this month though.

The Cardinals also acquired Schoolboy Emberling in a trade with the Cubs on June 1st. It proved to be perfect timing because just a week later Rock Charnley was lost until mid-July with an arm injury. Schoolboy did nothing but win POTM honors by going 3-0 with a 0.29 ERA and 2 shutouts in 3 games started. His first start with St. Louis was a victory over the Phillies, where he allowed just 1 run and 4 hits in 8 IP. Over his next two starts, one against Pittsburgh and another against Philadelphia, he threw 18 innings, allowing just 10 total hits and no runs.

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Sam Cole (CLE)!
He had a record of 7-0 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 2.37.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Peaches Badeau (PHA)!
He batted .434 in 99 AB, with 5 homers and 14 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Schoolboy Emberling (STL)!
He had a record of 3-0 in 3 games started, with an ERA of 0.29 and 2 shutouts.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Ted McMurray (CIN)!
He batted .451 in 91 AB, with 6 homers and 16 RBI.

Code:

American League Standings 
  
Chicago (A)      47 30 .610 - 
Philadelphia (A) 47 30 .610 - 
Detroit          42 35 .545 5.0
St. Louis (A)    41 37 .526 6.5 
Cleveland        38 40 .487 9.5 
New York (A)     38 42 .475 10.5
Boston (A)       33 45 .423 14.5
Washington       25 52 .325 22.0
 
National League Standings 
 
St. Louis (N)    47 30 .610 -
Philadelphia (N) 45 31 .592 1.5
Boston (N)       43 35 .551 4.5
Cincinnati       39 38 .506 8.0
New York (N)     38 40 .487 9.5
Chicago (N)      34 43 .442 13.0
Pittsburgh       31 45 .408 15.5
Brooklyn         32 47 .405 16.0

AL AVG
.405 Peaches Badeau, PHA
.368 Cy Helbig, BOS
.355 Ray Kress, DET

NL AVG
.386 Tom Howard, NYG
.360 Grady Fisher, BSN
.355 Ogden Wing, STL

AL HOMERUNS
22 Lonny Arrendale, CHA
22 Ray Kress, DET
15 Bud Ayers, PHA
15 Cy Helbig, BOS

NL HOMERUNS
20 Ken Chaucer, BSN
18 Chuck Rauch, CHI
17 Mike Fellner, STL

AL RBI
70 Ray Kress, DET
68 Lonny Arrendale, CHA
67 Matt Perly, DET

NL RBI
60 Jon Wright, PHI
60 Herman Dunkel, STL
58 Ken Chaucer, BSN
58 Joe Rodabaugh, NYG

AL STEALS
33 Jonny Perly, PHI
26 Hershel Cooley, PHA
20 Hans Habermehl, PHA

NL STEALS
41 Ben Cook, STL
22 Ogden Wing, STL
19 Jack Zenisek, BSN

AL ERA
2.51 Cotton Simson, SLA
3.15 Ellis Weeks, PHA
3.32 Johnny Gordley, CHA

NL ERA
2.51 Scottie Allen, BSN
2.66 Willard Carte, PHI
2.76 Hal Lepre, CIN

AL WINS
14 Cotton Simson, SLA
13 Johnny Gordley, CHA
12 Sam Cole, CLE

NL WINS
12 Scottie Allen, BSN
11 Bob Bussmann, PHI
11 Corky Stell, CIN

AL STRIKEOUTS
125 Cotton Simson, SLA
116 Carpenter Erickson, NYA
116 George Kauffman, CLE

NL STRIKEOUTS
102 Scottie Allen, BSN
98 John Nolting, PHI
92 Ron Fleischmann, PIT

AL SAVES
12 Lloyd Wyman, DET
12 Billy Hyberg, BOS
10 Gene Masarech, CHA

NL SAVES
10 John Quinney, STL
10 Sam Fontana, BKN
10 George Curd, CHN
10 Doyle Weaver, PHI

fhomess · 01-07-2005, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

June 1950
American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Sam Cole (CLE)!
He had a record of 7-0 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 2.37.

Ah, this makes me very happy. I've been trying to trade Cole for awhile now, but had very few offers that I felt were worthy of what I thought he was capable of, and he's finally proved me right. 6 of those 7 wins were full 9 inning efforts.

Who will become Cleveland's Rookie of the Year?
SP Lex Tjeenk-Willink: 7-3, 4.60 ERA was brought up at the start of May.
RF Frank "Oh Well" Winsett: .254/.304/.527; 9 HR's, 32 RBI, 29 R's, 13 BB's also debuted at the start of May
CF Rudel Dietrich: .310/.420/.536; 4 HR's, 12 RBI, 18 R's, 15 BB's brought up at the start of June.

I haven't looked at the rest of the rookies in the league, so I won't comment on any of their chances at AL ROY, especially since they were brought up mid-season. Currently, my money for Cleveland's ROY would have to be on Dietrich even though he's a month behind the other two. I don't think Tjeenk-Willink's ready to dominate enough to earn the honor. If Dietrich continues his current pace the rest of the year, I'll probably consider him the winner even if Winsett hits more HR's.

ifspuds · 01-07-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jdw

Vardaman is a .240/.366, and just 23. His contact potential is 9, so he's not likely to match Skeeter's gap over the course of his career. If he reaches his contact potential, he is a candidate to get on at a .500 clip at his peak.

I've been waiting for Herm's contact rating to go up for 2 seasons now. He's up to his talents in all other ratings except contact, which has been at 5 since (I believe) the start of 1949 at least. But, as you say, he is only 23. He's got some time.

Given my luck with prospects, I should probably be glad he hasn't taken a dive to a 2-star prospect by now. :P

rudel.dietrich · 01-07-2005, 01:24 PM

Dietrich got the call up and is performing well.
.420 OBP

canadiancreed · 01-07-2005, 01:34 PM

Geeze Dietrich is up in the bigs already? Holy crap!

and here's a cool stat. Three of the four winners for this month, were either current Reds (T. McMurray), or former Reds (Emberling, Cole).

Good stuff, while i'm hoping that my team can somehow win it all (hey we're only 8 games back, figure that out), if we do crash and burn, I'm rooting for St. Louis, get Schoolboy another ring

jdw · 01-07-2005, 01:47 PM

This is one of the more insane pitching performances of all-time:

http://www.southernbaseball.com/twb/box537.html

Simson left in to finish a game where he give up 20 hits, 9 runs, all earned, six 2B and 3 3B. 140 pitches.

He hasn't been sharp the second half of June... at least by the standards he had earlier in the year. Three 130+ pitch games. He's given up 3+ runs in the last four starts, including the 9, going 1-2. His ERA has zoomed from 1.98 to 2.51. Six BB in the last two starts, after walking 5 batters in the previous 8 games. He's 14-4 at the close of June, and *some* of the Greatest Season Of All-Time buz dies down a little until he has a SIM back on form.

John

canadiancreed · 01-07-2005, 01:57 PM

YIkes i'd serisouly consider firing the manager if he did that. Leaving him in for that long, somethign majorly wrong there

metsgeek · 01-07-2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jdw

This is one of the more insane pitching performances of all-time:

http://www.southernbaseball.com/twb/box537.html

Simson left in to finish a game where he give up 20 hits, 9 runs, all earned, six 2B and 3 3B. 140 pitches.

He hasn't been sharp the second half of June... at least by the standards he had earlier in the year. Three 130+ pitch games. He's given up 3+ runs in the last four starts, including the 9, going 1-2. His ERA has zoomed from 1.98 to 2.51. Six BB in the last two starts, after walking 5 batters in the previous 8 games. He's 14-4 at the close of June, and *some* of the Greatest Season Of All-Time buz dies down a little until he has a SIM back on form.

John

Sounds to me like hasn't been put on a pitch count. I'd set him at about 125....not that my pitching advice is worth anything with my staff.

Matt from TN · 01-07-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fhomess

RF Frank "Oh Well" Winsett: .254/.304/.527; 9 HR's, 32 RBI, 29 R's, 13 BB's also debuted at the start of May

I know you weren't too keen on him when you drafted him, but I like him for some reason. I just hope he gets that contact up. It was a 5 when drafted I think. I don't want him to become another Rodabaugh or Caneer. And what a shock that within a month a debuting in the majors, he had a 6 RBI game against the Red Sox.

BPS · 01-07-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt from TN

American League-Batter of the Month:
Peaches Badeau (PHA)!
He batted .434 in 99 AB, with 5 homers and 14 RBI.

And in the previous month Howard Ayers (PHA) was named AL batter of the month: two in a row for A's.

The A's are unstoppable! (Until reality sets in).

canadiancreed · 01-07-2005, 04:31 PM

It does seem to be so, all you need is a second ace on your roster and you'd be a shoe-in for the pennant

tward13 · 01-07-2005, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I know you weren't too keen on him when you drafted him, but I like him for some reason. I just hope he gets that contact up. It was a 5 when drafted I think. I don't want him to become another Rodabaugh or Caneer. And what a shock that within a month a debuting in the majors, he had a 6 RBI game against the Red Sox.

Rodabaugh's 3rd in the NL in RBI and 6th in HR. He finished 2nd in HR last year. Suer he's struggling to hit .220, but he's Dave Kingman with a better attitiude.

fhomess · 01-07-2005, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt from TN

I know you weren't too keen on him [Winsett] when you drafted him, but I like him for some reason. I just hope he gets that contact up. It was a 5 when drafted I think. I don't want him to become another Rodabaugh or Caneer. And what a shock that within a month a debuting in the majors, he had a 6 RBI game against the Red Sox.

Yeah, he wasn't the guy I wanted with that pick, but I've decided to learn to live with it

. His contact was indeed a 5 when drafted (4 now), and his HR talent went down from a 10 to a 9, too, but he's playing alright. I'd love to see them go back up! Now that Cole's won a POM, maybe I should threaten to trade all my guys...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

Dietrich got the call up and is performing well.
.420 OBP

The way his ratings rose, I don't think he was too keen on that whole minor league thing. Who was I to protest?

As for Simson's 20 hit game - wow. Maybe management wanted to remind him that the team's fate really does rest on his shoulders.

jdw · 01-07-2005, 07:13 PM

> I've been waiting for Herm's contact
> rating to go up for 2 seasons now.
> He's up to his talents in all other
> ratings except contact, which has
> been at 5 since (I believe) the start
> of 1949 at least. But, as you say,
> he is only 23. He's got some time.

OOTP seems to hold some of that back for a while. Castaneda with the Tigers finally got another bump in Eye, boosting him to 6 Overall on his 9 Talent. So he's finally walking at a higher rate, on pave for about 80 this year. When you look at his career, though, it does make for nice progression. Mulling around for three years in the .240/.285/.300 range before finally getting his Contact in geer with a .286/.327/.334 season where he didn't really walk about more than he had before. Then the Eye getting better last year, bumping him to a .291/.360/.341 season. Finally having it really kick into gear this year boosting him up to .320/.405/.398. He still has more potential to grow in that Overall vs. Talent gap of 3, so he'll move up from high 50s last year, 80s this year, and if he maxes out the Eye he'll be 100+ for his prime.

It's nice to see that.

> Given my luck with prospects,
> I should probably be glad he
> hasn't taken a dive to a 2-star
> prospect by now. :P

Castaneda is a 28 year old 2.5* SS. He has literally no power, but .320/.405/.398 combined with the glove that's won the last three AL Gold Gloves... you've got to think that worthy more than 2.5*.

I suspect if he keeps it up over the next year or so, he will move quite a bit higher. The Jeweler isn't this good anymore, yet still gets a 3* rating.

John

Johnny99 · 01-07-2005, 10:14 PM

May an outsider ask what settings, league totals, you used to simulate the dead ball era?

-btw, nice league.

Vris · 01-07-2005, 11:43 PM

I should've done more research, thanks John. Didn't realize .100+ gap was that common. Should've, but didn't.

11 game losing streak. Bah! Nice recovery, and the Phils are struggling. Hopefully the team catches on quick. Only 4.5 back....

Things I've noticed:
--Should've made Lutske a starter from day one. He's been great for me this year
--Chaucer's not hitting the ball like last year, even though he's still having another BOTY type year again
--Keeping Fisher over Lewis was the best decision I've ever made
--Keeping Zenisek, not so good.
--Scottie Allen leads the league in all 3 pitching triple crown categories.

01-07-2005, 10:37 AM	#3285
Matt from TN Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In a funk.... Posts: 3,413	June 1950 The White Sox went 18-8 in June and pulled into a tied for first with the A's, who went 15-11. The Tigers stayed in the race with a 15-12 record, but a 12-15 record for the Browns dropped them 6.5-games back. Meanwhile, the defending AL champion Red Sox fall futher and further down in the standings. They are 14.5 games back thanks to a miserable pitching staff that ranks worst in the majors in nearly all major categories, including a horrendous 5.86 team ERA (that was above 6.00 just two weeks ago). They have allowed more runs than any other team, including a whopping 55 unearned runs. Browns LF Johnny Champagne went on a 32-game hitting streak that was snapped in 4-3 loss at Yankee Stadium on June 14th. The streak was 3 games longer than any other in team history, and it was just 2 games shy of the AL record set by Yankees HOF'er Gus Kahle in 1926. The Browns also landed Jonny Perly in a trade with the Phillies. Perly has had his best month this season since moving to the AL. He hit .316 in June with a .427 OBP, 23 runs and 15 steals. The Cardinals finally pulled into 1st with a 16-10 record. The Phillies went 12-14, dropping 1.5-games back. After a sizeable winning streak last month, the Braves suffered through a 11-game losing streak in June, including a disastrous 4-game sweep by the Cards. They recovered by winning 10 of their final 12 games this month though. The Cardinals also acquired Schoolboy Emberling in a trade with the Cubs on June 1st. It proved to be perfect timing because just a week later Rock Charnley was lost until mid-July with an arm injury. Schoolboy did nothing but win POTM honors by going 3-0 with a 0.29 ERA and 2 shutouts in 3 games started. His first start with St. Louis was a victory over the Phillies, where he allowed just 1 run and 4 hits in 8 IP. Over his next two starts, one against Pittsburgh and another against Philadelphia, he threw 18 innings, allowing just 10 total hits and no runs. American League-Pitcher of the Month: Sam Cole (CLE)! He had a record of 7-0 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 2.37. American League-Batter of the Month: Peaches Badeau (PHA)! He batted .434 in 99 AB, with 5 homers and 14 RBI. National League-Pitcher of the Month: Schoolboy Emberling (STL)! He had a record of 3-0 in 3 games started, with an ERA of 0.29 and 2 shutouts. National League-Batter of the Month: Ted McMurray (CIN)! He batted .451 in 91 AB, with 6 homers and 16 RBI. Code: American League Standings Chicago (A) 47 30 .610 - Philadelphia (A) 47 30 .610 - Detroit 42 35 .545 5.0 St. Louis (A) 41 37 .526 6.5 Cleveland 38 40 .487 9.5 New York (A) 38 42 .475 10.5 Boston (A) 33 45 .423 14.5 Washington 25 52 .325 22.0 National League Standings St. Louis (N) 47 30 .610 - Philadelphia (N) 45 31 .592 1.5 Boston (N) 43 35 .551 4.5 Cincinnati 39 38 .506 8.0 New York (N) 38 40 .487 9.5 Chicago (N) 34 43 .442 13.0 Pittsburgh 31 45 .408 15.5 Brooklyn 32 47 .405 16.0 AL AVG .405 Peaches Badeau, PHA .368 Cy Helbig, BOS .355 Ray Kress, DET NL AVG .386 Tom Howard, NYG .360 Grady Fisher, BSN .355 Ogden Wing, STL AL HOMERUNS 22 Lonny Arrendale, CHA 22 Ray Kress, DET 15 Bud Ayers, PHA 15 Cy Helbig, BOS NL HOMERUNS 20 Ken Chaucer, BSN 18 Chuck Rauch, CHI 17 Mike Fellner, STL AL RBI 70 Ray Kress, DET 68 Lonny Arrendale, CHA 67 Matt Perly, DET NL RBI 60 Jon Wright, PHI 60 Herman Dunkel, STL 58 Ken Chaucer, BSN 58 Joe Rodabaugh, NYG AL STEALS 33 Jonny Perly, PHI 26 Hershel Cooley, PHA 20 Hans Habermehl, PHA NL STEALS 41 Ben Cook, STL 22 Ogden Wing, STL 19 Jack Zenisek, BSN AL ERA 2.51 Cotton Simson, SLA 3.15 Ellis Weeks, PHA 3.32 Johnny Gordley, CHA NL ERA 2.51 Scottie Allen, BSN 2.66 Willard Carte, PHI 2.76 Hal Lepre, CIN AL WINS 14 Cotton Simson, SLA 13 Johnny Gordley, CHA 12 Sam Cole, CLE NL WINS 12 Scottie Allen, BSN 11 Bob Bussmann, PHI 11 Corky Stell, CIN AL STRIKEOUTS 125 Cotton Simson, SLA 116 Carpenter Erickson, NYA 116 George Kauffman, CLE NL STRIKEOUTS 102 Scottie Allen, BSN 98 John Nolting, PHI 92 Ron Fleischmann, PIT AL SAVES 12 Lloyd Wyman, DET 12 Billy Hyberg, BOS 10 Gene Masarech, CHA NL SAVES 10 John Quinney, STL 10 Sam Fontana, BKN 10 George Curd, CHN 10 Doyle Weaver, PHI

01-07-2005, 01:34 PM	#3289
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	Geeze Dietrich is up in the bigs already? Holy crap! and here's a cool stat. Three of the four winners for this month, were either current Reds (T. McMurray), or former Reds (Emberling, Cole). Good stuff, while i'm hoping that my team can somehow win it all (hey we're only 8 games back, figure that out), if we do crash and burn, I'm rooting for St. Louis, get Schoolboy another ring __________________ PT21 PT22

01-07-2005, 01:57 PM	#3291
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	YIkes i'd serisouly consider firing the manager if he did that. Leaving him in for that long, somethign majorly wrong there __________________ PT21 PT22

01-07-2005, 04:31 PM	#3295
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	It does seem to be so, all you need is a second ace on your roster and you'd be a shoe-in for the pennant __________________ PT21 PT22

01-07-2005, 11:43 PM	#3300
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	I should've done more research, thanks John. Didn't realize .100+ gap was that common. Should've, but didn't. 11 game losing streak. Bah! Nice recovery, and the Phils are struggling. Hopefully the team catches on quick. Only 4.5 back.... Things I've noticed: --Should've made Lutske a starter from day one. He's been great for me this year --Chaucer's not hitting the ball like last year, even though he's still having another BOTY type year again --Keeping Fisher over Lewis was the best decision I've ever made --Keeping Zenisek, not so good. --Scottie Allen leads the league in all 3 pitching triple crown categories. __________________ None Blog it.

01-07-2005, 01:54 AM	#3282
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	Vris wrote: > Adding to the worst hitter argument, Hackin' > Jack has to get consideration. Even though he > puts up an OBP over .330 with that sub-.200 > average. He's at 626 hits for his career, all > leading up to a .216 average (.319 OBP). > Quick question: Who has the largest disparity > in their career between the two? Skeeter is a career .304 BA with a .458 OBP. There's going to be a tough gap to top. Among other regulars.... Hargey is a .272/.382 on the same team. Martineau is .296/.405. Marziani is .266/.373 and his gap is growing every year since 1947 as he's close to maxing out his 10 Eye (he's at 9), and his contact is a brutal 4. He's a really wonderful player, especially considering the park is a killer. The incredible Ray Kress is a .325/.435. Since he's a 9 contact and a 10 Eye, there are limits how big his gap will be, especially with massive power hitters coming up behind him. Put him in the Dodgers current line-up, he might walk enough to get on at a .500+ clip in addition to hitting .330+. Luther Ormiston hits right behing Kress, has a 9 Eye (10 potential) with a 6 contact... and 8 Power (10 potential). .279/.390. Al Jackson is a 270/.381. Ben Cook is .252/.362, and that's growing. He does have 6 contact potential, but the Eye is a 10 potential that's already at 9. He has almost a .150 gap this year. Vardaman is a .240/.366, and just 23. His contact potential is 9, so he's not likely to match Skeeter's gap over the course of his career. If he reaches his contact potential, he is a candidate to get on at a .500 clip at his peak. Groaning is a .287/.394. Doc Barton is a .255/.370. If he stayed healthy last year (and obviously was healthy coming into this season), would be much closer to Skeeter. He has a low number of career PAs, so full seasons (like his 1948) have ability to quickly change his career numbers. .248/.416 in 1948, and .297/.434 in 82 games in 1949 before the season ending injury. Looking at the all-time BB leaderboard for guys that were .100+... Bussell was a .305/.417. Lamberty was a .279/.397. Kohse was .324/.433. Sunny Davie was a .285/.386. Slap Hertzog was a .314/.423. The underrated Bud Breckenridge was a .303/.408. Kinnear was .272/.372. Pee Wee Osborne was .293/.393. Netzer was .276/.388. Tyke Kaufman was .300/.421. Hunter is .273/.387. For reference, Woody Woodson was .364/.452. Prior to Skeeter, I've got to think the .452 OBP is the all-time career OBP record. Trussell was at .446. The other top ones I've run across are in the .420s. Kress is in his prime and has run off three straight .460+ seasons, and is .471 with a .364 BA. Barring something odd, he will push that .435 OBP into the .440s in the next couple of seasons. I don't know if he's going to be able to keep it there before fading. No doubt I'm missing some people here. > And congrats on 2,000 posts Matt. Dittos. John

01-07-2005, 09:39 AM	#3283
gambler Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 71	Just a random weird stat... Take a look at Vince Thimpson (Cubs secondbaseman), he of the 2 power rating. His high in HRs was, well, a 1 last season... in 390 ABs. This year, with over 150 less ABs so far he has 7. Talk about a statistical anomaly... Must have had a lot of high wind days in Wrigley, either that or he's about to get a huge talent bump.

01-07-2005, 01:24 PM	#3288
rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	Dietrich got the call up and is performing well. .420 OBP

01-07-2005, 01:47 PM	#3290
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	This is one of the more insane pitching performances of all-time: http://www.southernbaseball.com/twb/box537.html Simson left in to finish a game where he give up 20 hits, 9 runs, all earned, six 2B and 3 3B. 140 pitches. He hasn't been sharp the second half of June... at least by the standards he had earlier in the year. Three 130+ pitch games. He's given up 3+ runs in the last four starts, including the 9, going 1-2. His ERA has zoomed from 1.98 to 2.51. Six BB in the last two starts, after walking 5 batters in the previous 8 games. He's 14-4 at the close of June, and some of the Greatest Season Of All-Time buz dies down a little until he has a SIM back on form. John

01-07-2005, 07:13 PM	#3298
jdw All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,161	> I've been waiting for Herm's contact > rating to go up for 2 seasons now. > He's up to his talents in all other > ratings except contact, which has > been at 5 since (I believe) the start > of 1949 at least. But, as you say, > he is only 23. He's got some time. OOTP seems to hold some of that back for a while. Castaneda with the Tigers finally got another bump in Eye, boosting him to 6 Overall on his 9 Talent. So he's finally walking at a higher rate, on pave for about 80 this year. When you look at his career, though, it does make for nice progression. Mulling around for three years in the .240/.285/.300 range before finally getting his Contact in geer with a .286/.327/.334 season where he didn't really walk about more than he had before. Then the Eye getting better last year, bumping him to a .291/.360/.341 season. Finally having it really kick into gear this year boosting him up to .320/.405/.398. He still has more potential to grow in that Overall vs. Talent gap of 3, so he'll move up from high 50s last year, 80s this year, and if he maxes out the Eye he'll be 100+ for his prime. It's nice to see that. > Given my luck with prospects, > I should probably be glad he > hasn't taken a dive to a 2-star > prospect by now. :P Castaneda is a 28 year old 2.5* SS. He has literally no power, but .320/.405/.398 combined with the glove that's won the last three AL Gold Gloves... you've got to think that worthy more than 2.5. I suspect if he keeps it up over the next year or so, he will move quite a bit higher. The Jeweler isn't this good anymore, yet still gets a 3 rating. John

01-07-2005, 10:14 PM	#3299
Johnny99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 209	May an outsider ask what settings, league totals, you used to simulate the dead ball era? -btw, nice league.