Time Warp Baseball

[jdw]

On Cato, can to simply run the 1922-30 years that you have, and leave 1931 "un-Cato", then run 1932-present? I mean, one year out of 28... does anyone really care? For example, you don't need the 1921 season to run Cato on 1922. So if you don't need 1931 to run 1932, don't worry about it.


John

[tward13]

Works for me John. If we all use 7/1 as the accepted cut-off date for age that makes it easier to discuss these types of records and know that everyone's one the same page.

[lgkeeper]

Crocitto had about 1,200 hits before he turned 26.

Also, what's the minimum number of ABs to qualify for the batting title.

Crocitto hit .352 - the best average in the NL, but only had 349 ABs...came very close to his 8th batting title...

Would that be the most?

[Vris]

I'm all for Cato.

And congrats to Ken Chaucer, 1949 NL BOTY.

The inclusion of Mr. Fisher (I like how it's Fisher, and my name is Fish....) gives the Braves an awfully crowded outfield now.

[DamnYankees]

You know I'm for Cato. I did a few seasons before my computer broke. So sure. If nothing else, it will allow us to compare careers that are complete in TWB to the real world.

[DamnYankees]

Also, about Morris and having the 2nd most hits.

I didn't mean he had the second most hit's total by the age of 26. I meant, like jdw said, that he had the 2nd most hits ever in the age span of 22-26. Probably would have had the most ever if not for that little injury.

Miller played for 24 years, an obscenely long time. I can think of few great players in the real world who played that long: Hank Aaron (53-76), Nolan Ryan (66-93), Pete Rose (62-87). It's a rare thing.

Miller is safe for now.

[tward13]

Rose played 63-86. He played forever but not quite as forever as you had.

[DamnYankees]

Yep, you are correct. Memory failed me there...he still makes the list though.

[Carlton]

Originally Posted by lgkeeper

Crocitto had about 1,200 hits before he turned 26.

Also, what's the minimum number of ABs to qualify for the batting title.

Crocitto hit .352 - the best average in the NL, but only had 349 ABs...came very close to his 8th batting title...

Would that be the most?

If he qualified, he wouldn't have a .352 average...his limited action is how he got that high

But he will go into 1950 as the Phillies starting 3b
I am shocked he didn't retire

[canadiancreed]

I'm shocked he's the starter

[Carlton]

me too, I told you 1950 would be rebuilding for the Phillies

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by Carlton

me too, I told you 1950 would be rebuilding for the Phillies

Well I'll beleive it when I see you joining me in last place

[jdw]

The pitching of Nolting and Sisk will likely enough to keep him out of last place. Unless he offloads guys like Rauch, Perly, Rhino and even Rossi and Artie, he's going to score enough runs that he'll be over .500 even as he's rebuilding this season.

Until other teams make moves, he still is the "favorite". Bussmann's endurance took another hit down to 5. But his ratings remain high, and if anyone in the league can work a setting to get 225+ IP of super pitching out of him, it's JT. Low pitch counts? Deep bullpen? Backend of the pen to get extra rest if a day is skipped?


John

[Matt from TN]

1949 Postseason

World Series Champs - Philadelphia Phillies 13th NL Pennant, 9th WS Title

AL Champs - Boston Red Sox 5th NL Pennant


AL BOY: Lonny Arrendale, CHA, .350, 25 HR, 110 RBI
NL BOY: Ken Chaucer, BSN, .319, 42 HR, 116 RBI

AL POY: Corky Stell, CHA, 24-9, 3.15 ERA, 106 BB, 111 K
NL POY: Bob Bussmann, PHI, 23-4, 2.58 ERA, 63 BB, 148 K

AL ROY: Bud Ulrich, DET, 18-7, 4.56 ERA, 124 BB, 84 K
NL ROY: Matt Keyes Jr., BKN, 13-13, 4.00 ERA, 67 BB, 70 K

AL AVG: Andy Martineau, CHA, .357
NL AVG: Jon Wright, PHI, .349

AL HR: Ray Kress, DET, 40
NL HR: Ken Chaucer, BSN, 42

AL RBI: Luther Ormiston, DET and Al Arsenault, BOS, 120
NL RBI: Ken Chaucer, BSN, 116

AL SB: Hans Habermehl and Hershel Cooley, PHA, 44
NL SB: Jonny Perly, PHI, 87

AL ERA: Cotton Simson, SLA, 2.87
NL ERA: Scottie Allen, BSN, 2.29

AL Wins: Corky Stell, CHA, 24
NL Wins: Bob Bussmann, PHI, 23

AL K's: Carpenter Erickson, NYA, 193
NL K's: Chubby Allen, CHN, 155

AL Saves: Billy Hyberg, BOS, 30 - a new major league record!
NL Saves: Doyle Weaver, PHI, 28 - a new NL record!


Major League Records (if old record was long-standing, it's listed in parenthesis)

ML - 95 Games Pitched, Rudolph Crago, BOS
ML - 30 Saves, Billy Hyberg, BOS

League Records

AL - 40 Homeruns, Ray Kress, DET - Tied his own record
AL - 158 Walks (Batter), Skeeter Schaldemose, BOS
NL - 86 Games Pitched, Gene Masarech, CIN
NL - 28 Saves, Doyle Weaver, PHI

Team Records

BOS - 639 At-Bats, Morris Lutske

BSN - 76 Games Pitched, Ezequiel Dupree
BSN - 42 Homeruns, Ken Chaucer

CHA - 87 Games Pitched, John Mora
CHA - 17 Saves, Bourbon Allen Jr.
CHA - 25 Homeruns, Lonny Arrendale
CHA - 110 RBI, Lonny Arrendale (106, Ethe Schein, 1925)

CHN - 85 Games Pitched, Rod Chiswick
CHN - 19 Saves, Rod Chiswick

CIN - 5 Rookie Homeruns, Barry Rarick (tied mark set in 1931 by Pee Wee Osborne)

DET - 63 Games Pitched, Alex Footwangler
DET - 19 Saves, Lloyd Wyman
DET - 145 Walks (Batter), Ray Kress

NYA - 54 Games Pitched, Willie Wood

PHA - 64 Games, Walt Gustafson
PHA - 31 Homeruns, Hershel Lee

PHI - 87 Steals, Jonny Perly (58, Dale Reneau, 1928)
PHI - 70 Games Pitched, Doyle Weaver

PIT - 80 Games Pitched, Marty Collins
PIT - 12 K's in One Game, Ron Fleischmann (11 K, William O'Neill, 1936)

SLA - 75 Games Pitched, Herman Curoe

WSH - 80 Games Pitched, Cecil Frye

Milestones

3000 Hits - Blake Crocitto, WSH/PHI

2000 Hits - Jimmy Ditty, NYA

1000 Steals - Jonny Perly, PHI - He is the first player to ever reach this mark

250 Wins - Bill Finley, BOS

200 Wins - Schoolboy Emberling, CIN
200 Wins - Cotton Simson, SLA
200 Wins - Jeronimo Arsenault, CHN

3270 K's - Frank Smith, BKN - He passed Jethro Lee for #1 all-time

2000 K's - Bill Finley, BOS
2000 K's - Bob Guilderson, DET

170 Saves - Bob Boshernitsan, NYG - He is just the 2nd player to ever reach this mark, and he is now 4 shy of a new record

70 Shutouts - Frank Smith, BKN - He is just the 4th player to ever reach this mark, which is even more outstanding when you consider the durability of pitchers from earlier eras. He is 6 short of passing HOF'ers Cecil Tan and Raymond Gindler for #2 all-time, but still is 25 short of #1 Andrew Murphy.

Gold Gloves

1949 American League Winners

Pitcher: Don Vonkitzing, PHA
Catcher: Hershel Lee, PHA
First Base: Albert Hippard, CLE
Second Base: John Valcarcel, CLE - 3 straight!
Third Base: Emerson Meggs, CLE
Shortstop: David Castaneda, DET - 3 straight!
Leftfield: Jesse Baker, NYA - 2 straight!
Centerfield: John Young, NYA
Rightfield: Jimmy Ditty, NYA


1949 National League Winners

Pitcher: Mel Serrano, BKN
Catcher: Biff Betters, CIN
First Base: Ken Chaucer, BSN
Second Base: Edwin Keesaer, STL
Third Base: James Jones, CIN
Shortstop: Tom Howard, NYG
Leftfield: Howard Olszewki, BKN - 2 straight!
Centerfield: Chris Hulliberger, CHN
Rightfield: Cliff Wynne, CHN



September Awards:

American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Chief Harrington (NYA)!
He had a record of 5-0 in 6 games started, with an ERA of 2.45 and 1 shutouts.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Peaches Badeau (PHA)!
He batted .438 in 64 AB, with 4 homers and 17 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
Rock Charnley (STL)!
He had a record of 5-0 in 5 games started, with an ERA of 1.98 and 1 shutouts.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Chuck Rauch (PHI)!
He batted .400 in 70 AB, with 5 homers and 24 RBI.

[Matt from TN]

Franchise Histories

After not having back-to-back winning seasons from 1901-1943, the Red Sox have now tied their own franchise mark of 3 straight winning seasons. The Tigers also tied their mark of 5 straight winning seasons that had stood since the initial 1901-05 seasons. The Yankees tied a club record with their 7th straight losing season. The Phillies won their record 9th World Series, but are still one behind the Yankees' 14 pennants.

BLUE - Won World Series
GREEN - Won Pennant but No WS Played
BLACK - Won Pennant

Boston Red Sox - 5 Pennants, 3-2 in WS, Last Pennant (1949), Last WS Title (1945)
Most Wins 101 (1945), Most Losses 93 (1936)
Winning Seasons 14, Losing Seasons 32, .500 Seasons 4
Longest Winning Streak: 3 Seasons (1943-45, 1947-Present)
Longest Losing Streak: 12 Seasons (1906-17)
1900-10: 2-8
1911-20: 2-7-1 - 1918
1921-30: 2-5-3
1931-40: 2-8
1941-50: 6-3 - 1943, 1944, 1945, 1949
Last 10 Seasons 7-3
Last 5 Seasons 4-1

Chicago White Sox - 6 Pennants, 1-5 in WS, Last Pennant (1938), Last WS Title (1920)
Most Wins 102 (1920), Most Losses 91 (1910)
Winning Seasons 25, Losing Seasons 23
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1913-21)
Longest Losing Streak: 9 Seasons (1904-12)
1900-10: 1-9 - 1903
1911-20: 8-2 - 1917, 1919, 1920
1921-30: 6-4 - 1930
1931-40: 5-5 - 1938
1941-50: 5-4
Last 10 Seasons 5-5
Last 5 Seasons 3-2

Cleveland Indians - 6 Pennants, 3-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1942), Last WS Title (1942)
Most Wins 107 (1910), Most Losses 101 (1945)
Winning Seasons 22, Losing Seasons 25, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 13 Seasons (1906-18)
Longest Losing Streak: 6 Seasons (1927-32)
1900-10: 6-4 - 1907, 1910
1911-20: 9-1 - 1914, 1915, 1916
1921-30: 2-8
1931-40: 3-5-2
1941-50: 2-7 - 1942
Last 10 Seasons 2-8
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

Detroit Tigers - 2 Pennants, 1-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1948), Last WS Win (1928)
Most Wins 102 (1948), Most Losses 96 (1941)
Winning Seasons 21, Losing Seasons 28
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1901-05, 1945-Present)
Longest Losing Streak: 13 Seasons (1932-1944)
1900-10: 5-5
1911-20: 3-7
1921-30: 6-4 - 1928
1931-40: 1-9
1941-50: 5-4 - 1948
Last 10 Seasons 5-5
Last 5 Seasons 5-0

New York Yankees - 14 Pennants, 8-6 in WS, Last Pennant (1940), Last WS Win (1940)
Most Wins 103 (1923), Most Losses 95 (1946)
Winning Seasons 26, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 12 Seasons (1930-1941)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1915-21, 1943-Present)
1900-10: 7-3 - 1905, 1908, 1909
1911-20: 3-7 - 1911, 1912
1921-30: 5-4-1 - 1923, 1927
1931-40: 10-0 - 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1939, 1940
1941-50: 1-7-1
Last 10 Seasons 2-7-1
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

Philadelphia Athletics - 5 Pennants, 1-4 in WS, Last Pennant (1932), Last WS Title (1906)
Most Wins 98 (1929), Most Losses 97 (1917)
Winning Seasons 23, Losing Seasons 25, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1925-33)
Longest Losing Streak: 10 Seasons (1912-21)
1900-10: 8-2 - 1906
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 8-2 - 1925, 1926, 1929
1931-40: 4-5-1 - 1932
1941-50: 2-7
Last 10 Seasons 2-8
Last 5 Seasons 1-4

St. Louis Browns - 5 Pennants, 1-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1946), Last WS Title (1922)
Most Wins 93 (1946), Most Losses 98 (1930)
Winning Seasons 19, Losing Seasons 28, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 3 Seasons (1942-1944)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1910-16)
1900-10: 5-5 - 1901, 1902, 1904
1911-20: 2-7-1
1921-30: 4-6 - 1922
1931-40: 4-5-1
1941-50: 4-5 - 1946
Last 10 Seasons 4-6
Last 5 Seasons 1-4

Washington Senators - 6 Pennants, 4-2 in WS, Last Pennant (1947), Last WS Title (1941)
Most Wins 93 (1941), Most Losses 88 (1907)
Winning Seasons 26, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 12 Seasons (1936-1947)
Longest Losing Streak: 6 Seasons (1927-32)
1900-10: 3-6-1
1911-20: 4-6 - 1913
1921-30: 5-5 - 1921, 1924
1931-40: 7-2-1 - 1937
1941-50: 7-2 - 1941, 1947
Last 10 Seasons 8-2
Last 5 Seasons 3-2



Boston Braves - 4 Pennants, 2-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1931), Last WS Title (1931)
Most Wins 105 (1928), Most Losses 102 (1915)
Winning Seasons 17, Losing Seasons 29, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 9 Seasons (1930-1938)
Longest Losing Streak: 14 Seasons (1914-27)
1900-10: 6-4 - 1904, 1910
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 2-8 - 1928
1931-40: 8-1-1 - 1931
1941-50: 1-7-1
Last 10 Seasons 1-8-1
Last 5 Seasons 1-3-1

Brooklyn Dodgers - 7 Pennants, 4-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1943), Last WS Title (1943)
Most Wins 94 (1943), Most Losses 94 (1927)
Winning Seasons 29, Losing Seasons 17, .500 Seasons 2
Longest Winning Streak: 13 Seasons (1934-46)
Longest Losing Streak: 4 Seasons (1903-06)
1900-10: 3-7
1911-20: 7-2-1 - 1919
1921-30: 7-3 - 1926
1931-40: 7-2-1 - 1934, 1935, 1939, 1940
1941-50: 6-3 - 1943
Last 10 Seasons 7-3
Last 5 Seasons 2-3

Chicago Cubs - 6 Pennants, 3-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1938), Last WS Title (1938)
Most Wins 101 (1938), Most Losses 97 (1925)
Winning Seasons 28, Losing Seasons 21
Longest Winning Streak: 14 Seasons (1901-14)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1943-Present)
1900-10: 10-0 - 1905
1911-20: 7-3 - 1913, 1917
1921-30: 3-7
1931-40: 7-3 - 1936, 1937, 1938
1941-50: 1-8
Last 10 Seasons 2-8
Last 5 Seasons 0-5

Cincinnati Reds - 2 Pennants, 1-1 in WS, Last Pennant (1947), Last WS Title (1947)
Most Wins 92 (1927), Most Losses 95 (1906)
Winning Seasons 25, Losing Seasons 24
Longest Winning Streak: 11 Seasons (1913-23)
Longest Losing Streak: 10 Seasons (1933-42)
1900-10: 5-5
1911-20: 9-1 - 1920
1921-30: 4-6
1931-40: 2-8
1941-50: 5-4 - 1947
Last 10 Seasons 5-5
Last 5 Seasons 3-2

New York Giants - 7 Pennants, 2-5 in WS, Last Pennant (1944), Last WS Title (1921)
Most Wins 95 (1944), Most Losses 97 (1929)
Winning Seasons 21, Losing Seasons 24, .500 Seasons 4
Longest Winning Streak: 6 Seasons (1918-23)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1908-14)
1900-10: 1-8-1 - 1907
1911-20: 5-5 - 1918
1921-30: 5-5 - 1921, 1922
1931-40: 5-3-2
1941-50: 5-3-1 - 1941, 1942, 1944
Last 10 Seasons 6-3-1
Last 5 Seasons 1-3-1

Philadelphia Phillies - 13 Pennants, 9-2 in WS, Last Pennant (1949), Last WS Title (1949)
Most Wins 104 (1949), Most Losses 98 (1938)
Winning Seasons 25, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 3
Longest Winning Streak: 12 Seasons (1924-1935)
Longest Losing Streak: 9 Seasons (1915-23)
1900-10: 7-2-1 - 1901, 1902, 1903
1911-20: 1-9
1921-30: 7-3 - 1925, 1927, 1929, 1930
1931-40: 5-4-1 - 1932, 1933
1941-50: 5-3-1 - 1945, 1946, 1948, 1949
Last 10 Seasons 5-4-1
Last 5 Seasons 5-0

Pittsburgh Pirates - 4 Pennants, 1-3 in WS, Last Pennant (1912), Last WS Win (1909)
Most Wins 92 (1908), Most Losses 103 (1928)
Winning Seasons 14, Losing Seasons 34, .500 Seasons 1
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1908-12)
Longest Losing Streak: 7 Seasons (1913-19, 1931-1937)
1900-10: 4-6 - 1908, 1909
1911-20: 2-8 - 1911, 1912
1921-30: 2-7-1
1931-40: 2-8
1941-50: 3-6
Last 10 Seasons 3-7
Last 5 Seasons 1-4

St. Louis Cardinals - 6 Pennants, 2-4 in WS, Last Pennant (1924), Last WS Win (1923)
Most Wins 103 (1915), Most Losses 99 (1936)
Winning Seasons 25, Losing Seasons 21, .500 Seasons 3
Longest Winning Streak: 5 Seasons (1914-18, 1921-25)
Longest Losing Streak: 10 Seasons (1930-39)
1900-10: 3-6-1 - 1906
1911-20: 6-2-2 - 1914, 1915, 1916
1921-30: 8-2 - 1923, 1924
1931-40: 1-9
1941-50: 7-2
Last 10 Seasons 8-2
Last 5 Seasons 4-1


Last Pennant:

1912 - PIT
1924 - STL
1931 - BSN
1932 - PHA
1938 - CHA, CHN
1940 - NYA
1942 - CLE
1943 - BKN
1944 - NYG
1946 - SLA
1947 - WSH, CIN
1948 - DET
1949 - BOS, PHI

Last World Series Championship:

1906 - PHA
1909 - PIT
1920 - CHA
1921 - NYG
1922 - SLA
1923 - STL
1928 - DET
1931 - BSN
1938 - CHN
1940 - NYA
1941 - WSH
1942 - CLE
1943 - BKN
1945 - BOS
1947 - CIN
1949 - PHI

[jdw]

> AL BOY: Lonny Arrendale, CHA, .350, 25 HR, 110 RBI

This is almost payback for the BOY that Lonny fell short of winning in the NL.


> NL BOY: Ken Chaucer, BSN, .319, 42 HR, 116 RBI

Probably a run away in the voting


> AL POY: Corky Stell, CHA, 24-9, 3.15 ERA, 106 BB, 111 K

This is the semi-regular "We Can't Give It To Cotton Every Year" pick. Great year by Stell.

24-9, 3.15 ERA, 106 BB, 111 K, 1.23 WHIP - Corky Stell (CHA)
21-3, 3.57 ERA, 104 BB, 116 K, 1.30 WHIP - Sonny Faulkner (BOS)
21-7, 2.87 ERA, 66 BB, 187 K, 1.04 WHIP - Cotton Simson (SLA)
17-9, 3.00 ERA, 87 BB, 140 K, 1.10 WHIP - Hal Andrew (DET)

I'm thinking Cotton got jobbed again.


> NL POY: Bob Bussmann, PHI, 23-4, 2.58 ERA, 63 BB, 148 K

Expected. Allen in Boston and Frank Smith in Brooklyn also had fine years. Allen seemed to be the best, and that sub-1 WHIP is a thing of beauty. Vris pointed out Allen's bad luck when it comes to the won-loss record. That 6 endurance might be better suited to the modern game of deeper pens... or a team with a monsterous offense that gets a lead while he's still in there. Fisher should help that offense, whether he stays or is packaged to upgrade CF.


> AL ROY: Bud Ulrich, DET, 18-7, 4.56 ERA, 124 BB, 84 K
> NL ROY: Matt Keyes Jr., BKN, 13-13, 4.00 ERA, 67 BB, 70 K

Both pretty predictable.


> League Records
> AL - 158 Walks (Batter), Skeeter Schaldemose, BOS

SKEETER~!


> Milestones
>
> 2000 Hits - Jimmy Ditty, NYA

And now poor Jimmy is on the trading block. Have the Yankees no heart!




> 250 Wins - Bill Finley, BOS
>
> 200 Wins - Schoolboy Emberling, CIN
> 200 Wins - Cotton Simson, SLA
> 200 Wins - Jeronimo Arsenault, CHN

Finley is at 255 at the age of 37. I don't know if he has enough juice in the tank to get to 300. Schoolboy is 36 and doesn't have a shot at 204. Flaky Jr has no shot. Cotton is 34 and at 203. He's talented enough to pitch well to an old age like Frank Smith and Dodger Lee. He's got a shot, but needs it to break right.


> 3270 K's - Frank Smith, BKN -
> He passed Jethro Lee for #1 all-time

Go, Frank, Go~!


Gold Gloves
> Shortstop: David Castaneda, DET - 3 straight!

Castaneda is going to have a billion of these things barring (i) injury or (ii) another great fielder coming along in the AL.

> Leftfield: Jesse Baker, NYA - 2 straight!
> Centerfield: John Young, NYA
> Rightfield: Jimmy Ditty, NYA

Quite a thing. Baker doesn't have great range, or a great arm. He's good in both, though. Young has amazing range and could win a load of these. It beats the living hell out of me how Ditty won. 2 range, 5 arm.


> Catcher: Biff Betters, CIN
> Third Base: James Jones, CIN

Well, at least something came out of Jones. He has the potential to hit, but just didn't. With the glove, he's be valuable to some degree if he could just hit.


John

[jdw]

BTW - four straight WS by the NL since TWB went live. Of course three of those are by the Phils. We don't want this to turn into Super Bowl XVI through XXXI - 15-1 NFC, including 13 straight. Come on, AL.


John

[canadiancreed]

CIN - 5 Rookie Homeruns, Barry Rarick (tied mark set in 1931 by Pee Wee Osborne) <- Ok I know i'm surprised

NL - 86 Games Pitched, Gene Masarech, CIN <- This jsut screams bad starting pitching

And yes at least Jones was able to at least field well, although I wonder jsut who woudl have come in second in the NL, its' not known for strong fielding 3B's

[tward13]

Can Martineau win the Al batting title?

He barely had enough plate appearances anyway and was traded to Chicago from the NL on 6/1.

Also, NL Rookie of the year, why so predictable? A .500 pitcher with a 4.00 era.
Mugford of the Giants hit .324 and had 173 hits

[Carlton]

i know tward, pitchers ALWAYS get bonus points for ROY.

BOTH ROY were travesty's

NYY CF Young should have won the AL ROY