Collection Missions General Discussion

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

I'm a little surprised that Stivetts isn't part of the St. Louis Browns mission.

He's not part of the St. Louis Browns mission because he didn't play for that franchise. He played for the *first* St. Louis Browns franchise, which became the Cardinals.

Then, in 1902, when the Milwaukee Brewers of the American League (no, not those Milwaukee Brewers) moved to St. Louis, they followed in the grade AL tradition of adopting the abandoned name of the NL team from the same city (see Chicago White Sox, Boston Red Sox) and became the St. Louis Browns. And then moved to Baltimore, picked up yet ANOTHER discarded nickname, and became the Baltimore Orioles

So Stivetts is in the correct mission.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by BigRed75

He's not part of the St. Louis Browns mission because he didn't play for that franchise. He played for the *first* St. Louis Browns franchise, which became the Cardinals.

Then, in 1902, when the Milwaukee Brewers of the American League (no, not those Milwaukee Brewers) moved to St. Louis, they followed in the grade AL tradition of adopting the abandoned name of the NL team from the same city (see Chicago White Sox, Boston Red Sox) and became the St. Louis Browns. And then moved to Baltimore, picked up yet ANOTHER discarded nickname, and became the Baltimore Orioles

So Stivetts is in the correct mission.

This is a great history lesson. Unfortunately, it is one that supports my position. Everything you said is true, and yet when filtering by team on our inactive rosters, Stivetts sorts with the Browns - not a unique Browns category, but the exact same Browns that moved from Milwaukee in 1902 - and not the Cardinals.

Additionally, the in game precedent has already been set. The Washington Senators were included in the first round of collection missions. We can complete a mission called "Senators/Twins: The Senators Postwar Years," but only if we collect Frank Howard, Dick Donovan, Tom Cheney, Aurelio Rodriguez, Don Lock, Dave Stenhouse, and Ron Kline. These cards are also the complete list of requirements for the "Texas Rangers: The Third Senators." Maybe its a geographic connection that merits their inclusion in a Senators centric collection mission, but Jim Bouton was excluded from a mission that specifically refers to the region ("Seattle Mariners: Baseball in the Northwest"). The Boston Beaneaters are even more messed up as Hugh Duffy and John Clarkson were left out of the "Braves: The Boston Braves" mission, in spite of the facts that they were members of the same organization and that Jim Turner and Tony Cuccinello from the Bees years are welcomed with open arms.

There is also no way in our inactive roster filters to distinguish between the different flavors of Senators, but at least we can search in the auction house by WS1 or WS2. The Stivetts card doesn't even have an abbreviated designator, meaning there is no possible way to search for him that excludes players from the later iteration of the team.

The only mistake I possibly made was thinking that a special edition card would be included in a mission. Sure, some are, but most are completely ignored, even in missions that come out well after their release.


The issues with the collection missions are very out of place for a development studio that has proven that attention to detail and a dedication to realism and historical accuracy have been among its strongest traits. Mistakes like these may be simple to make, but for fans of the game - which you must be to produce this labor of love annually - mistakes like these should also be simple to catch.

[Westheim]

The cluster**** that is the entanglement of the Rangnatowins missions should not be used as precedent to make a cluster**** out of other missions.

[Dogberry99]

Originally Posted by Westheim

The cluster**** that is the entanglement of the Rangnatowins missions should not be used as precedent to make a cluster**** out of other missions.

There are enough inconsistencies and cluster****s that we are not at a loss for alternatives. The aspects of this game related to owning and collecting cards has always been a mess. Feedback is increasing in the form of threads complaining about pop ups, unfortunate quicksells, and how unwieldy it is to manage cards after opening packs. They even acknowledge this themselves to an extent by advising us to "keep your reserve roster small and sell unused cards on the marketplace."

Collection is apparently a new style of game play for which the developers were completely unprepared.

[Argonaut]

Solid post by Dogberry. Part of these problems are due to the wackiness of baseball history, but it's also partly down to OOTPD lacking a bit in the attention to detail, or their resources available to do so. Hopefully the money coming from PT will put some more butts in chairs.

One of my personal annoyances is a lot of the cards having different naming conventions. Some are labelled "NYY", and others are labelled "New York Yankees". And it's only gotten worse with the new special edition cards. IMO the longer name is worse, and like other aspects of OOTP tends to suffer under my 1920 x 1080 native resolution.

[eldur00]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

There are enough inconsistencies and cluster****s that we are not at a loss for alternatives. The aspects of this game related to owning and collecting cards has always been a mess. Feedback is increasing in the form of threads complaining about pop ups, unfortunate quicksells, and how unwieldy it is to manage cards after opening packs. They even acknowledge this themselves to an extent by advising us to "keep your reserve roster small and sell unused cards on the marketplace."

Collection is apparently a new style of game play for which the developers were completely unprepared.

I'm not sure if they were unprepared, or just had to come up with something quick. Remember, shortly after the game launched, Markus asked the forums where we would prefer for the focus to be - tournaments (which still needed a lot of work) or collections, which were closer to be ready. Most people said collections first since it was closer to be released anyway.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that in the light of having 2 of the biggest feature additions compared to PT19 being delayed, some QoL features didn't make it in for the sake of having something to show for sooner rather than later.

[Orcin]

Originally Posted by Dogberry99

Stivetts sorts with the Browns - not a unique Browns category, but the exact same Browns that moved from Milwaukee in 1902 - and not the Cardinals.

This is the main problem that I have with the mission reward, and the reason that I brought this issue up in the first place. The reward for a Cardinals mission should at least be a card that the game recognizes as part of the Cardinals franchise.

In addition, there were literally hundreds of better choices among Cardinals players. Why not someone like Mike Shannon? Joe Cunningham? Ken Reitz? It wouldn't have to be a great player, just someone recognizable. I have been a Cardinals fan for over 50 years, and I had never heard of Stivetts.

[waittilnextyear]

Latest missions finished: Jim Gentile (O's), Kevin Brown (Rangers), John Mayberry/Hal McRae (Royals)

Total PP spent: 23,001

Biggest Overpay(s): Several: Freddie Patek (400), John Mayberry (2249) etc

Hunting some more collections that won't break the bank. Gentile and Mayberry cards are nothing special, but could be useful cards perhaps thru Diamond level. The Kevin Brown card is rated 63/77/64 and a groundballer so could be decent thru Gold level. The Hal McRae card is a pretty nice card for a 78. Fits the contact meta (80 CON, 80 GAP, 32 POW, 55 EYE, 75 K). Mediocre defense (64 LF) will keep this card from being more popular on F2P teams.

[Maxfire5]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

Latest missions finished: Jim Gentile (O's), Kevin Brown (Rangers), John Mayberry/Hal McRae (Royals)

Total PP spent: 23,001

Biggest Overpay(s): Several: Freddie Patek (400), John Mayberry (2249) etc

Hunting some more collections that won't break the bank. Gentile and Mayberry cards are nothing special, but could be useful cards perhaps thru Diamond level. The Kevin Brown card is rated 63/77/64 and a groundballer so could be decent thru Gold level. The Hal McRae card is a pretty nice card for a 78. Fits the contact meta (80 CON, 80 GAP, 32 POW, 55 EYE, 75 K). Mediocre defense (64 LF) will keep this card from being more popular on F2P teams.

The Mayberry card is struggling to produce in Silver on my theme team. Albeit, half a season worth so we see. Hal McRae is producing really well, and is a pretty good DH for the theme team.

[waittilnextyear]

Finally finished the George Sisler mission. Have been at this one for a while no thanks to overpriced Wally Judnich and Harlond Clift cards.

Total PP spent: 24,688

Biggest Overpay(s): Harlond Clift (11,519), Clint Courtney (5000), Pete Gray (1400)

Continuing to work missions as able. I'm trying to amass a whole team worth of SE collection mission cards with the anticipation that there may be a tournament focused on them. Maybe. Perhaps. At some point, provided the tournaments are a go for PT 2.0 at some point and not delayed until PT 3.0. The Sisler card itself is pretty nice, despite low defense (58 at 1B) and low EYE (45). Obviously the main strengths are pretty much everything other than the EYE and that this isn't a card that needs platooning: 90 CONvL/93 CONvR; 90 GAPvL/86 GAPvR; 85 POWvL/77 POWvR. The card has stabilized somewhat in the AH at ~50K after starting off closer to 100K. So, a plus in that respect that I could probably sell it for a 25K profit if desperate for PP (heh) down the road.

[Argonaut]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

The [Sisler] card has stabilized somewhat in the AH at ~50K after starting off closer to 100K. So, a plus in that respect that I could probably sell it for a 25K profit if desperate for PP (heh) down the road.

Nice, glad I sold mine in the first few days of that mission for ~90k PP. Looking to get that card on one of my other teams that it actually fits, which makes its price coming down look good.

Waiting on some of the Rangers cards to come down in price. Especially the modern day ones.

[Maxfire5]

Finally decided to the Live Phillies challenge for SE Lenny. Cost around 12k to buy all the cards in the last 3 days. Unfortunately Realmuto had. a massive rating boost this week to 89 so instead of 1100, he was around 2500 when I grabbed him. Oh well. Still worth it. Significantly helps a f2p player. Would highly recommend completing this one for anyone focused on defense, especially f2p people who are.

[Charlatan]

Originally Posted by waittilnextyear

Finally finished the George Sisler mission. Have been at this one for a while no thanks to overpriced Wally Judnich and Harlond Clift cards.

Total PP spent: 24,688

Biggest Overpay(s): Harlond Clift (11,519), Clint Courtney (5000), Pete Gray (1400)

So YOU'RE the one who bought that Clift card from me!

I've completed this mission one one team and am trying to do so on another. I'm not sure how you're classifying overpays but 5k for Courtney has been the going price for a while. And considering you need either Judnich or Clift to complete the mission, that last card is gonna be around the price you paid. So maybe you paid more than you wanted (and boy do I understand that) but I wouldn't say you overpaid, per se, for the cards.

[Renfro]

Finally completed the Reds Rising mission, one of the missions that yields a Diamond Card. I really wasn't interested in this mission until I realized that the reward was actually a card that I needed to complete the Putting the Ball in play mission (Edd Roush).

I thought it'd be easier but the last card took a long time coming up at the price an FTP player like myself can afford. In fact, I finished the Putting the Ball in play mission a few weeks ago.

I was set to bite the bullet and buy a 10000+ Derringer but I was sniped this morning. However, 2 Ival Goodmans came up at the AVG7 of 3000 and I bought now and now I have two of Edd Roush.

I spent 16860 to finish this mission:

[pulled] : Unsung Heroes LF Jim Thorpe, CIN, 1917 (56)
88 : Record Breaker LF Bob Bescher, CIN, 1911 (60)
222 : All-Star CF Chick Hafey, CIN, 1933 (64)
62 : Unsung Heroes SP WHitey Moore, CIN, 1940 (66)
124 : One Hit Wonder 3B Chuck Dressen, CIN, 1927 (68)
64 : Hardware Heroes 1B Frank McCormick, CIN, 1940 (68)
3000 : All-Star RF Ival Goodman, CIN, 1938 (71)
1300 : Hardware Heroes RF Babe Herman, CIN, 1932 (77)
6500 : All-Star 2B Lonny Frey, CIN, 1939 (82)
5500 : Hardware Heroes SP Bucky Walters, CIN, 1939 (86)

In the Diamond Pack reward, I pulled Historical All-Star PIT SS Jay Bell (92). All well and good except that I'm already using Harvey Kuenn / Tony Fernandez as my SS platoon.

[waittilnextyear]

Originally Posted by Charlatan

So YOU'RE the one who bought that Clift card from me!

I've completed this mission one one team and am trying to do so on another. I'm not sure how you're classifying overpays but 5k for Courtney has been the going price for a while. And considering you need either Judnich or Clift to complete the mission, that last card is gonna be around the price you paid. So maybe you paid more than you wanted (and boy do I understand that) but I wouldn't say you overpaid, per se, for the cards.

Thanks for the card.

I just try to be extremely frugal. So, an overpay is anything where I feel I didn't get the absolute best deal possible. There was a Harlond Clift card available about a week ago for 7500 BIN and I dragged my feet on it. So, ended up paying 4K more.

[Charlatan]

Oh I didn't mean it was my Clift card, I mean I was vying for it also... and you snagged it! I'm still trying to get one.

I completed the Browns mission a couple of weeks ago on my Senators team - by buying the Clift card for 7500, so maybe I was the one who won that duel. Since Clift qualifies for the Senators I have actually used him the past two seasons. He's done ok in Silver and Gold.

[waittilnextyear]

Latest missions finished: LIVE Twins, Pirates - Pops' Family

Total PP spent: 7,880 for Twins, 18,504 for Pirates

Biggest Overpay(s): Tim Foli (749), Jim Rooker (600), Ed Ott (500)

The 90 Kent Tekulve reward card is a submariner so much better against righties (78/82/83) than lefties (56/80/81). The 85 Madlock card looks pretty useful, but 47 DEF at 3B makes it best as a DH.

[Semtextual]

The one difficult mission i can do i cant bring myself to complete because im scared of locking in 500k pp worth of cards.

[Argonaut]

There doesn't seem to be much interest in the Boston Red Sox missions, judging by my experiences with the AH this week. Can't even sell my Jody Reed or Josh Beckett at the Last 7 AVG. Don't really blame people, as the Speaker and Wakefield rewards aren't that great. Funny because they're probably the 2nd most popular franchise. I'm not complaining though, as the Red Sox are likely my least favourite team.

[BigRed75]

Originally Posted by Orcin

This is the main problem that I have with the mission reward, and the reason that I brought this issue up in the first place. The reward for a Cardinals mission should at least be a card that the game recognizes as part of the Cardinals franchise.

But he is a part of the Cardinals franchise, and the game recognises him as such by including him as the reward for a Cardinals mission. The game also recognises the fact that when he played for that franchise, in the 19th century, they were called the Browns.

Originally Posted by Orcin

In addition, there were literally hundreds of better choices among Cardinals players. Why not someone like Mike Shannon? Joe Cunningham? Ken Reitz? It wouldn't have to be a great player, just someone recognizable. I have been a Cardinals fan for over 50 years, and I had never heard of Stivetts.

I will agree with you there. Shannon in particular would have been an inspired choice, and one that would have been eligible for the ballplayer-turned-broadcaster mission that I would love to see happen