Who is your Franchise Guy? - Page 15

Chicagofan76 · 10-12-2011, 09:48 PM

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Willie Mays was good, but Bonds was better. Just look at their numbers. Bonds beats him across the board.

I take it you dont think that steroids helped Bonds vs Willie as Cooley said did it the right way. Also although Bonds was loved by San Fran fans, the media hated him. Everyone loved the Say Hey kid.

1998 Yankees · 10-18-2011, 02:35 PM

Mike Schmidt, although I don't agree with the landslide result. Lefty should have been closer IMO.

jaxmagicman · 10-18-2011, 02:57 PM

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I take it you dont think that steroids helped Bonds vs Willie as Cooley said did it the right way. Also although Bonds was loved by San Fran fans, the media hated him. Everyone loved the Say Hey kid.

Not to start an argument. No I don't think Steroids helped him. Plus he never got suspended for their use. He never got in trouble with the league. Mays was banned from baseball. Bonds never had that happen.

Anyone who read this report (without going in with an agenda) would see it the same way. Steroids, Other "Drugs", and Baseball

The problem is people have been conditioned by the media to think more muscles means more homeruns, that study proves that isn't true.

jaxmagicman · 10-18-2011, 02:58 PM

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Mike Schmidt, although I don't agree with the landslide result. Lefty should have been closer IMO.

Absolutely the right choice.

jbergey22 · 10-18-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Not to start an argument. No I don't think Steroids helped him. Plus he never got suspended for their use. He never got in trouble with the league. Mays was banned from baseball. Bonds never had that happen.

Anyone who read this report (without going in with an agenda) would see it the same way. Steroids, Other "Drugs", and Baseball

The problem is people have been conditioned by the media to think more muscles means more homeruns, that study proves that isn't true.

Its interesting that home runs have declined since MLB put in this drug policy isnt it?

jaxmagicman · 10-18-2011, 04:54 PM

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Its interesting that home runs have declined since MLB put in this drug policy isnt it?

The article gets into that. You should read it.

CD1083 · 10-18-2011, 05:24 PM

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The article gets into that. You should read it.

Does it get into why his head got so big? I mean....damn!

I'm not saying steroids did it, but is my head going to grow 2 cap sizes in the next 15 years?

Chicagofan76 · 10-18-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxmagicman

Not to start an argument. No I don't think Steroids helped him. Plus he never got suspended for their use. He never got in trouble with the league. Mays was banned from baseball. Bonds never had that happen.

Anyone who read this report (without going in with an agenda) would see it the same way. Steroids, Other "Drugs", and Baseball

The problem is people have been conditioned by the media to think more muscles means more homeruns, that study proves that isn't true.

Since you dont want to start an argument, I won't. Everything in me screams fight. Prove how wrong you are but I am kinda tired of 25 page debates when you won't see it my way and its doubtful you would change my mind/opinion on the subject either.

1998 Yankees · 10-26-2011, 04:29 PM

This is the one that I've been waiting for, of course. It had to be the Babe; remarkable in that his career ended over 75 years ago. Yet, I wonder if this poll is taken again in another 100 years, will he not be still The Greatest Yankee of All Time?

Chicagofan76 · 10-26-2011, 04:32 PM

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This is the one that I've been waiting for, of course. It had to be the Babe; remarkable in that his career ended over 75 years ago. Yet, I wonder if this poll is taken again in another 100 years, will he not be still The Greatest Yankee of All Time?

I woulda voted for Hideki Irabu

jaxmagicman · 10-26-2011, 04:40 PM

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This is the one that I've been waiting for, of course. It had to be the Babe; remarkable in that his career ended over 75 years ago. Yet, I wonder if this poll is taken again in another 100 years, will he not be still The Greatest Yankee of All Time?

Only thing remarkable about this, is that he only got 53% of the vote.

1998 Yankees · 10-26-2011, 07:58 PM

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Only thing remarkable about this, is that he only got 53% of the vote.

I'm not sure about the order, either. I have DiMaggio ahead of Mantle.

Jason Moyer · 10-27-2011, 12:12 AM

Nothing against Dimaggio, but Mickey did everything he did with more power, a ton of walks, and played on the most successful team in baseball history. I'd have a really hard time finding an area where I'd give Joe an advantage. Even durability would be an edge to the Mick.

Jpotapoff · 10-27-2011, 12:17 AM

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Nothing against Dimaggio, but Mickey did everything he did with more power, a ton of walks, and played on the most successful team in baseball history. I'd have a really hard time finding an area where I'd give Joe an advantage. Even durability would be an edge to the Mick.

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Chicagofan76 · 10-27-2011, 01:53 AM

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Nothing against Dimaggio, but Mickey did everything he did with more power, a ton of walks, and played on the most successful team in baseball history. I'd have a really hard time finding an area where I'd give Joe an advantage. Even durability would be an edge to the Mick.

DiMaggio's hitting streak would make him slightly better and the fact that he was a right handed hitter in the left handed power park. A-Fraud just broke DiMaggio's record for HR by a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium a few yrs ago at 46. (A-Rod 48)

Why do you say durability? Joe D played 13 seasons at 1736 game Mickey Mantle in his 1st 13 seasons played in 1740 games.. DiMaggio lost time due to the war and yes wasn't the same guy anymore, but many weren't. Yes Mantle did have a ton more walks in a different era. DiMaggio once only struck out 13 times in a season (once again different era) and his highest was 39 is rookie year, Mantle's lowest was 32 in 65 games.
DiMaggio .325 Mantle .298
Mantle played in 12 WS (7-5) DiMaggio 10 (9-1) in 4 fewer seasons so DiMaggio was on the more successful Yankee teams.
I like both players, but I would put DiMaggio as the 3rd best Yankee of all time, Berra is my #2. Gehrig #4, Mantle #5.
The 1998 Yankees are the most successful team in MLB history 125 total wins.

Germaniac · 10-27-2011, 05:01 AM

I agree with you - I guess that's the reason why they got 12% and 11% respectively.

But - while I respect Jeter as a player and a gamer - when you have to chose between Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and Jeter ...

... how in the world can you pick Jeter

Germaniac · 10-27-2011, 05:07 AM

Oh, and BTW, yes, I also think Mike Schmidt was the best Phillie ever.

And I still respect him for retiring in early May because he felt he couldn't perform on the level he used to while he could have hung on for two or three more years ...

Jpotapoff · 10-27-2011, 08:40 PM

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DiMaggio's hitting streak would make him slightly better and the fact that he was a right handed hitter in the left handed power park. A-Fraud just broke DiMaggio's record for HR by a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium a few yrs ago at 46. (A-Rod 48)

Mantle was also a right handed hitter in a left handed power park, at least when a lefty was pitching.

How many triple crowns did DiMaggio get?

1998 Yankees · 10-27-2011, 09:57 PM

I'm trying to think of any other Yankee who would take the place of Jeter as number 5. Not that I'm discounting him; far from it. 3,088 hits gets him into the Hall of Fame and makes him one of the greatest Yankees. It's just that I tend to be conservative and Jeter's too new, so to speak. So, who else deserves to be just behind DiMaggio/Mantle on this list? Thoughts?

Jpotapoff · 10-27-2011, 10:51 PM

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I'm trying to think of any other Yankee who would take the place of Jeter as number 5. Not that I'm discounting him; far from it. 3,088 hits gets him into the Hall of Fame and makes him one of the greatest Yankees. It's just that I tend to be conservative and Jeter's too new, so to speak. So, who else deserves to be just behind DiMaggio/Mantle on this list? Thoughts?

Reggie Jackson. Rivera. Yogi Berra. Bill Dickey. Whitey Ford. Ron Guidry.

10-18-2011, 02:35 PM	#282
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Phillie Phantastic Mike Schmidt, although I don't agree with the landslide result. Lefty should have been closer IMO. Attached Images

10-26-2011, 04:29 PM	#289
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	This is the one that I've been waiting for, of course. It had to be the Babe; remarkable in that his career ended over 75 years ago. Yet, I wonder if this poll is taken again in another 100 years, will he not be still The Greatest Yankee of All Time? Attached Images

10-27-2011, 12:12 AM	#293
Jason Moyer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 5,088	Nothing against Dimaggio, but Mickey did everything he did with more power, a ton of walks, and played on the most successful team in baseball history. I'd have a really hard time finding an area where I'd give Joe an advantage. Even durability would be an edge to the Mick. __________________ "I pretty much popped everything cold turkey. We were doing steroids they wouldn't give to horses." -- Tom House "I was very fortunate to have a pitching coach by the name of Tom House...Tom, I really miss those days that we spent in the weight room and out on the field working together." -- Nolan Ryan's HoF Induction Speech Last edited by Jason Moyer; 10-27-2011 at 12:14 AM.

10-27-2011, 05:01 AM	#296
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,062	I agree with you - I guess that's the reason why they got 12% and 11% respectively. But - while I respect Jeter as a player and a gamer - when you have to chose between Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, DiMaggio and Jeter ... ... how in the world can you pick Jeter __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

10-27-2011, 05:07 AM	#297
Germaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Frankenthal, Germany Posts: 3,062	Oh, and BTW, yes, I also think Mike Schmidt was the best Phillie ever. And I still respect him for retiring in early May because he felt he couldn't perform on the level he used to while he could have hung on for two or three more years ... __________________ I'm going to have to meet my Maker some day. And if He asks me why I didn't let this boy play, and I say it's because he's black, that might not be a satisfactory answer. Happy Chandler, 1947

10-27-2011, 09:57 PM	#299
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I'm trying to think of any other Yankee who would take the place of Jeter as number 5. Not that I'm discounting him; far from it. 3,088 hits gets him into the Hall of Fame and makes him one of the greatest Yankees. It's just that I tend to be conservative and Jeter's too new, so to speak. So, who else deserves to be just behind DiMaggio/Mantle on this list? Thoughts?