Time Warp Baseball

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Unfortunately creed, it doesn't work that way. It pulls every concievable stat out of all the exported .csv files. I've talked about this with Jeff (Cato) and he flat out told me unless you have the actual league file, it's all but impossible to get old stats.

Win Shares are just a very, very complicated stat, which requires the most broad parameters (park factors, league averages and totals, etc.) It would take literally hundreds of man-hours to input even 1 season manually, I would imagine.

PS: 2,800th post on this thread. Insane. I imagine we're nowhere near done, though.

well craptastic.

the thing is when i have a look at the end od season zip for the 1946 season, there's no .csv files at all. which is telling me that its' getting the stats from somewhere, and converting it to csv.......the question is from where

probably not the right place to ask this but eh, i'm curious and we're at 2800, why not one more :d

[DamnYankees]

It pulls its stats from csv files as well as the .dat files in the directory and the .html files that are generated when you Generate Reports for an Online League. Like I said...complicated. I don't know how it does it.

[ifspuds]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

If Matt has them, I'd love to use them. But I think he only has the league files from 1946 on. I hope I'm wrong.

Matt, help us out?

Here you go, from his earlier post:

I uploaded the end of 1946 file. I forgot the '47 one but can add it if you want. Unfortunatley, I am near the max disk space on our site, so I can only keep 1 or 2 of these up at a time. So you could d-load after the season & it would eventually come down. But I have them all (back to the 20's or so) saved on my pc.

Sounds to me like he's got league files back to the 20's...

[ifspuds]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Take the league file, and open the game. Then, go to Online League Option, and click on Generate Reports. These are the .csv files.

Not quite. You get the .csv files for Catobase from CommishJoe's exporter, which is integrated into Catobase versions 6 and up.

[canadiancreed]

that would defaitnely help. we'd only miss out on the deadball era, and if worse came to absolute worst, i've got lots of time

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by ifspuds

Sounds to me like he's got league files back to the 20's...

Well then...we shall have to figure out a way to access them, shan't we. Matt, is there any way you could send them to me over AIM or something?

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by ifspuds

Not quite. You get the .csv files for Catobase from CommishJoe's exporter, which is integrated into Catobase versions 6 and up.

that's why i was thinking if it takes it from the .dat files (the information that is), the almanac's have that information listed in them.....which confuses me as to what it's missing when you try to do it that way.

[canadiancreed]

Originally Posted by DamnYankees

Well then...we shall have to figure out a way to access them, shan't we. Matt, is there any way you could send them to me over AIM or something?

*drools in anticipation*

all those stats.......all that data......

[DamnYankees]

I think on some level, it would actually add to the fun to have the early part of the league blacked out, statistically. Adds to the mystique of the dead ball era...

Nah, I'd still rather have those stats.

[canadiancreed]

lol me too, although I have les of motivation comparied to some (i dont have ancestors to analyse from back then)

but being a stathead, id be VERY intrested in that, since there's probably going to be some players that wont be counted because there stats are missing.

just wondering, if you processed say a league file from 1946, and then tried to do 1945, woudl it work jsut fine, or woudl it make this program go nuts?

[DamnYankees]

Originally Posted by canadiancreed

just wondering, if you processed say a league file from 1946, and then tried to do 1945, woudl it work jsut fine, or woudl it make this program go nuts?

Dunno. I wouldn't try it though. No reason to waste time.

[canadiancreed]

true, just oen of those thigns that a programming geek (such as myself) would think of

[Carlton]

Win Shares blah!

Gray Ink is a better evaluation, since it does not skew so much for Power pitchers and sluggers.

Gray Ink counts all placements on leaderboards, so it gives equal value to spray hitters who steal as it does sluggers

I had a big post on it last night but my power went out

[Matt from TN]

Alright stat freaks, I saved league files back to 1922. Unfortunately, I missed 1931, so to really run CatoBase, it would have to be done from 1932-present. I can easily do this, but I just didn't like the idea of incomplete careers, career leaders, team leaders, etc. I also don't have enough space to host the complete league files or catobase.

And I had asked Cato a while back about almanacs too, and he said it couldn't be done. A shame.

[Matt from TN]

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August 1948

Detroit is now 6 wins away from clinching just their 2nd AL pennant in the team's 48-year history. They are also 2 wins away from just their second 90-win season. Their only other such season was 1928 when they won 93 games and their only pennant before going on to shock the 105-win Braves in the World Series. Detroit is on pace to win 100 games this season, by far a new team record.

The Phillies went 10-4 and expanded their lead over the slipping Cardinals to 4 games. Philadelphia's front office has also been relentless, today processing the latest trade in baseball history, coming on September 1st. They acquired center fielder Flint Rutty and pitchers Steven Smith and Bill Risner from the Reds.

Boston's Skeeter Schaldemose set a new AL record with his 129th walk. He now holds the single season record in both leagues. A's catcher Hershel Lee set a new team record with his 26th homerun, passing Hall of Famer Ben Baum's record of 25 set in 1928. Lee also became the first black player to be named Batter of the Month in either league.

And while we're on that subject, Washington pitcher Raul Velazquez is the first Hispanic player to make one of our top 3 leaderboards below. In his first full season as a starter, the 25-year-old Cuban pitcher is 10-8 with a 2.92 ERA.

In The News

Aug 18: The Cubs completed a four-game sweep of the Giants on this day despite a near-riot that held up play for 20 minutes. The reaction by the fans came when umpire Jocko Conlan ruled that a drive by Cubs catcher Cal Branscomb in the 6th inning was a ground-rule double, not an inside the park homerun. Conlan made his call after Giants LF Anson Morgenstern "lost" the ball in the Wrigley vines, though it was really by his feet. The fans showered the field in protest and Conlan bawled out some of Chicago's finest for not taking any action. When play was resumed, Cubs shortstop Frank Kuhn laid down a sacrifice bunt, but Branscomb was thrown out at 3rd. At the time, the Cubs led 4-3. Chicago would add two more runs in the 7th and win the game 6-4. Here's the box score.



American League-Pitcher of the Month:
Corky Stell (CHA)!
He had a record of 5-1 in 7 games started, with an ERA of 1.44.

American League-Batter of the Month:
Hershel Lee (PHA)!
He batted .354 in 99 AB, with 9 homers and 25 RBI.

National League-Pitcher of the Month:
John Nolting (PHI)!
He had a record of 6-1 in 8 games started, with an ERA of 3.43 and 1 shutouts.

National League-Batter of the Month:
Mitch Leibowitz (BSN)!
He batted .316 in 95 AB, with 9 homers and 30 RBI.

American League Standings 
  
Detroit          88 47 .652 -
Boston (A)       74 61 .548 14.0
St. Louis (A)    69 66 .511 19.0
Washington       67 68 .496 21.0
Philadelphia (A) 63 72 .467 25.0
Chicago (A)      61 74 .452 27.0 
New York (A)     61 74 .452 27.0 
Cleveland        57 78 .422 31.0 
 
National League Standings 
 
Philadelphia (N) 86 49 .637 - 
St. Louis (N)    82 53 .607 4.0 
Boston (N)       67 68 .496 19.0
Cincinnati       67 68 .496 19.0
Chicago (N)      61 74 .452 25.0
Brooklyn         60 75 .444 26.0
Pittsburgh       59 76 .437 27.0 
New York (N)     58 77 .430 28.0

AL AVG
.395 Peaches Badeau, PHA
.346 Em Pelto, BOS
.336 Don Myer, BOS

NL AVG
.351 Andy Martineau, NYG
.346 Rudy Young, PIT
.344 Tom Howard, NYG

AL HOMERUNS
35 Ray Kress, DET
34 Luther Ormiston, DET
27 Hershel Lee, PHA

NL HOMERUNS
32 Maurice Misisca, PHI
31 Mike Fellner, BKN
30 Ken Chaucer, BSN

AL RBI
120 Luther Ormiston, DET
113 Ray Kress, DET
107 Jim Dunkel, WSH

NL RBI
113 Morton Chamblee, STL
109 Herman Dunkel, STL
106 Jonathan Wright, BKN

AL STEALS
69 Ping Hung, NYA
51 Hershel Cooley, PHA
37 Hans Habermehl, PHA

NL STEALS
38 Jonny Perly, BKN
29 Jack Zenisek, BSN
28 Ogden Wing, STL

AL ERA
2.54 Bill Finley, WSH
2.59 Cotton Simson, SLA
2.92 Raul Velazquez, WSH

NL ERA
2.55 Schoolboy Emberling, CIN
3.08 Ace Shipley, CIN
3.13 Glenn Howell, BSN

AL WINS
24 Billy Crowell, DET
21 Bob Bussmann, CHA
20 Cotton Simson, SLA

NL WINS
26 John Nolting, PHI
18 Rock Charnley, STL
18 Mickey Lonergan, PHI
18 Frank Smith, BKN

AL STRIKEOUTS
190 Cotton Simson, SLA
178 Bill Finley, WSH
144 Trent Roberts, BOS

NL STRIKEOUTS
154 Chubby Allen, CHN
150 Scottie Allen, BSN
137 Ron Fleischmann, PIT
137 Wally Saeger, STL

AL SAVES
17 Lloyd Wyman, DET
16 Eric Slater, WSH
14 Frank Depratti, CLE
14 Herman Curoe, SLA

NL SAVES
25 Doyle Weaver, PHI
18 Ben Jaroslawski, STL
14 Bob Rustia, BSN

[scprideandms]

Cognac could be one of the biggest flops ever after hitting just .214 in A ball goto prom'd to AA for 25G 95 AB and hit a whopping .163

Tequila another steady yr hitting .294 (.306 career) and reached the 200 hits and 1000 RBI marks and is at 975 RBI's

Bourbon Jr got a chance in the Big Show after going 0-4 in 4G with 7.33 ERA in AAA he was in 38G going 1-5 with 5 svs and a poor 5.32 ERA. Control is still the issue as he walked 29 batters in 44IP and blew 5 of 14 save opportunities.

[DamnYankees]

Thanks to Matt for the 1947 league file, these are the results for the leaders in Win Shares in 1947:

Batters

1.    Ray Kress             DET    37.9
2.    Skeeter Schaldemose   CIN    34.5
3.    Tom Howard 	    NYG    34.2
4.    Harry Badeau 	    PHA    30.6
5.    Vern Piernatzski      SLA    30.3

Pitchers

1.    Billy Simson          SLA    33.8
2.    James Mosich          BOS    30.5
3.    Bob Bussmann 	    CHA    29.8
4.    Mickey Lonergan       PHI    28.3
5.    Bill Finley 	    WSH    28.2

Less for Howard than I would have expected. Kress did put up a .352-40-118 line, compared to Howards .352-33-137, so you can see why Kress would have more WS.

Overall, 1947 was a bigger offensive year in general than 1946, with the AL total ERA jumping from 4.06 to 4.31, so individual offensive numbers yield fewer Win Shares.

If anyone is curious, Skeeter Schaldemose has the most "career" win shares through the two seasons.

[canadiancreed]

National League-Batter of the Month:
Mitch Leibowitz (BSN)!
He batted .316 in 95 AB, with 9 homers and 30 RBI.

I"m starting to really hate this guy

[DamnYankees]

Matt, why are we using real umpires? Especially with someone like Conlan, who was also a player. I think it's a little too much blurring of the two worlds.

Also, so...is there any way a layman such as myself could get access to those old league files? I have no aspirations to host a site or anything, but any and all stats that are available would certainly add to the ability to analyze.

If you are willing, they could be sent over AIM, if we can set up a time to do it. I understand if you want to guard them closely though.

[canadiancreed]

we are? that's kidna weird

and wish i had some server space, that woudl be a great addition to our league