The European football thread - Page 14

rudel.dietrich · 07-27-2006, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Grasshoppers are one of my all time favourite teams in Europe along with St Etienne and Borussia M'Gladbach.

When I was in a boarding school right on the Swiss border some weekends we would take a day trip across the border and go see Grasshopper in action.
Probably did that about 12-15 times between the time I was 7-13 years old.
Very fond memories of them

rudel.dietrich · 07-27-2006, 11:06 AM

I believe I read somewhere here in the office the Yankees are valued at just a shade under 2 billion.
The Red Sox a shade under 1.5 billion, the Cubs just under that.

I believe the Cowboys were #1 in the NFL at something like 1.7 billion

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

When I was in a boarding school right on the Swiss border some weekends we would take a day trip across the border and go see Grasshopper in action.
Probably did that about 12-15 times between the time I was 7-13 years old.
Very fond memories of them

Followed Grasshoppers for years ever since they were on a football highlights show, forgot who they played but it was pouring down and a mid week night game probably a European game, imo there is nothing better than a mid week night game when it's pouring down with rain.

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fallschirmjager

I believe I read somewhere here in the office the Yankees are valued at just a shade under 2 billion.
The Red Sox a shade under 1.5 billion, the Cubs just under that.

I believe the Cowboys were #1 in the NFL at something like 1.7 billion

Could you imagine what teams like Man Utd would be worth though if there were 300 million people living in England instead of around 60 million

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Could you imagine what teams like Man Utd would be worth though if there were 300 million people living in England instead of around 60 million

Remember the Yankees carry no debt. Also, they own their own network YES. Steinbrenner bought them for $10 million. Man U are carrying roughly $200 mil in debt.

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Remember the Yankees carry no debt. Also, they own their own network YES. Steinbrenner bought them for $10 million. Man U are carrying roughly $200 mil in debt.

Weren't until those pesky Americans stuck their nose in

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 01:07 PM

Man Utd also own their own TV station.

Sdpm100 · 07-27-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Remember the Yankees carry no debt. Also, they own their own network YES. Steinbrenner bought them for $10 million. Man U are carrying roughly $200 mil in debt.

Times that borrowing debt by six and you're in the ballpark.

Sdpm100 · 07-27-2006, 01:12 PM

The difference between MUTV and YES Network is that Manchester United can't sell the signal to loads of different cable/satellite companies, and at a lot lower price because they don't have live games.

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Times that borrowing debt by six and you're in the ballpark.

Man U are 1 billion in the hole???? Holy #$#$!!!!!!!

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

Weren't until those pesky Americans stuck their nose in

Sad thing is that the Glazers had the money to buy Man U straight out. In FM it says the team owes the debt to the owners which seems strange to me.

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 01:25 PM

Their struggling with the debt, think it was last week or the week before were they restructured it again. Not for Man Utd couldn't care less about them

but thing's like this makes me worried for football in general, it's like with Chelsea if Abramovich upped and left there is no way Chelsea can sustain the wages they pay without him.

Sdpm100 · 07-27-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Man U are 1 billion in the hole???? Holy #$#$!!!!!!!

Yep.
The restructured debt from the Glazer takeover to the banks is £660 million, or just over $1.2 billion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...9/sfnma219.xml

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:28 PM

Does Chelsea carry any debt?

I'd be worried about an economic downturn and a cancellation of media contracts. Its media money that enabling all the multimillion dollar contracts.

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Does Chelsea carry any debt?

I'd be worried about an economic downturn and a cancellation of media contracts. Its media money that enabling all the multimillion dollar contracts.

If you worked on what they bring in and what they spend I'd say Chelsea are in massive debt but thy have Abramovich so you could say there not in debt.

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

Yep.
The restructured debt from the Glazer takeover to the banks is £660 million, or just over $1.2 billion.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mai...9/sfnma219.xml

They must be having to make $750K a month payments at least...

. Unless they are aiming for a strategic bankruptcy to eliminate some of those debts.

Sdpm100 · 07-27-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

Does Chelsea carry any debt?

I'd be worried about an economic downturn and a cancellation of media contracts. Its media money that enabling all the multimillion dollar contracts.

If and when Abramovich decides to leave, Chelsea will be screwed with a capital 'S' money wise.
If they can sell a player for four times less than what they bought him for (Damien Duff) you know a club has too much of a monetary pull.

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ukhotstove

If you worked on what they bring in and what they spend I'd say Chelsea are in massive debt but thy have Abramovich so you could say there not in debt.

It must have killed him to be eliminated from Euro competition last year. poor guy.

ukhotstove · 07-27-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bababui

It must have killed him to be eliminated from Euro competition last year. poor guy.

Makes you wonder if he'll get bored if they win the Champions League because it seem's that's all the money is being spent for.

bababui · 07-27-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sdpm100

If and when Abramovich decides to leave, Chelsea will be screwed with a capital 'S' money wise.
If they can sell a player for four times less than what they bought him for (Damien Duff) you know a club has too much of a monetary pull.

The Russians have never been to good at empire building.

Besides his own ego i wonder what could be driving Mr Abramovich to do what he does??

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Sdpm100 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, England Posts: 7,644	The difference between MUTV and YES Network is that Manchester United can't sell the signal to loads of different cable/satellite companies, and at a lot lower price because they don't have live games. Last edited by Sdpm100; 07-27-2006 at 01:13 PM.

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ukhotstove Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North of England Gods Country Posts: 7,175	Their struggling with the debt, think it was last week or the week before were they restructured it again. Not for Man Utd couldn't care less about them but thing's like this makes me worried for football in general, it's like with Chelsea if Abramovich upped and left there is no way Chelsea can sustain the wages they pay without him. __________________ Detroit Diesel Dynasty San Antonio Calzones of Laredo Dynasty

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	I believe I read somewhere here in the office the Yankees are valued at just a shade under 2 billion. The Red Sox a shade under 1.5 billion, the Cubs just under that. I believe the Cowboys were #1 in the NFL at something like 1.7 billion

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bababui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,147 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Does Chelsea carry any debt? I'd be worried about an economic downturn and a cancellation of media contracts. Its media money that enabling all the multimillion dollar contracts.