White Sox/Angels ALCS Thread - Page 14

mlyons · 10-12-2005, 11:06 PM

Wow, I really don't feel too bad about the Cano/baseline call anymore. This is much worse.

andymac · 10-12-2005, 11:08 PM

Yep, halo's got screwed there...you can't give the definitive punch out and then change your mind.

Jestor · 10-12-2005, 11:08 PM

Meh. I don't feel good about this win at all. Could we have won it in extra innings? Certainly.

But the ump blew that call big time. And Crede still sucks, in my opinion, even with the clutch hit. He cost us Game 1 and he damn near cost us Game 2.

Sublimity · 10-12-2005, 11:08 PM

Oh lord, Nip/Tuck and The OC references in a ten second time span, if that. I wish very bad things upon that man.

Y0DA55 · 10-12-2005, 11:10 PM

I said it once and I'll say it again... I hate the dropped (ball hits the dirt) strike three call. If the guy swings and misses, there should be no second chance to get to first.

Y0DA55 · 10-12-2005, 11:11 PM

dola, heads up play by perskjsldjgadflksski though

dsvitak · 10-12-2005, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andymac

Yep, halo's got screwed there...you can't give the definitive punch out and then change your mind.

Brutal call, just brutal. Call the man out, the pitcher walks off the mound, the catcher rolls the ball back to the mound.

...and the runner gets to first base. Terrible call. Not Denkinger-bad, but bad.

Sublimity · 10-12-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y0DA55

dola, heads up play by perskjsldjgadflksski though

Yeah, no harm in trying either way. And Paul has to feel the same way, just give him a quick tag. Doesn't make it right though.

Eckstein 4 Prez · 10-12-2005, 11:12 PM

Tough to win when you have to beat the umps and the other team. The only thing I can compare this to is Denkinger in 1985.

Jestor · 10-12-2005, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y0DA55

dola, heads up play by perskjsldjgadflksski though

That it was, but it feels like cheating to me. Like I said, I can't feel good about this victory at all.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-12-2005, 11:13 PM

Wow. I come back to the game after watching Lost just in time to see the White Sox win, and see the replays on that crap call. That's got to be one of the ****iest calls I've ever seen.

TotalEnd98 · 10-12-2005, 11:14 PM

How in the hell do you screw that one up?

The umpiring this offseason has been worthless, and MLB should be ashamed.

EDIT: Forgot which forum I was in.

TheRockCT · 10-12-2005, 11:14 PM

Wow, there's no way they should let him work the plate ever, ever a-gain.

Sublimity · 10-12-2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

The umpiring this offseason has been worthless, and MLB should be ashamed.

I feel like I'm in an NBA playoffs thread.

Erik W. · 10-12-2005, 11:17 PM

That was ****ing horrible. I would hope that the ump gets fired, but then I remembered that it's MLB.

dsvitak · 10-12-2005, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azamien

That was ****ing horrible. I would hope that the ump gets fired, but then I remembered that it's MLB.

Two possible reasons:

1) The ump was hungry, and had a dinner reservation.
2) "Baseball Annie" was waiting back at the hotel.

Eric · 10-12-2005, 11:24 PM

Wow. Even though I'm rooting for the White Sox, it's a bad a way to win the game.

Instead of being up 2-0 heading back to Anaheim, it's a split. Really lets the wind out of the Angels sails.

rdklein · 10-12-2005, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

The umpiring this offseason has been worthless, and MLB should be ashamed.

It has been very bad.

Inconsistency on Balls/Strikes by the home plate umpires is another example. I've been seeing it in most every postseason game so far.

mrskippy · 10-12-2005, 11:27 PM

Well, Persynski did what you are supposed to do ... run to first. I remember growing up and playing youth league baseball ... this is one thing we were always told to do. Run it out on third strike, when there is a chance the ball may have hit the ground.

Only problem here was the ump called AJ out, though it does appear the ball may have scraped (and that is all it would take, per the rules) for AJ to have the right to run it out on strike three.

Ump called AJ out, thus he should be out ... but, I think it may have bounced back into his glove AFTER he smothered it.

Of course, how do they usually work these?

It's strike three swinging.
Ball hits ground.
Runner goes to first and is safe.

How is that scored and how is the ump supposed to signal such?

Eckstein 4 Prez · 10-12-2005, 11:27 PM

A thought: although the Angels can't protest a judgment call by the umpire (no matter how bad), what about the fact that the home plate umpire clearly ruled after the initial strikeout call that the batter was out with the raised fist? To let the player take first after he was already called out on the play would be a violation of the rules, which can be protested. The only way they could order a replay of the game is if it clearly affects the outcome - and there's certainly no doubt in this case.

I'm dreaming, really, as baseball will never overturn the call, but that's what should happen. They should go back out tomorrow and replay starting in the top of the tenth.

10-12-2005, 11:06 PM	#261
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Wow, I really don't feel too bad about the Cano/baseline call anymore. This is much worse. __________________ Things can always be worse.

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andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Yep, halo's got screwed there...you can't give the definitive punch out and then change your mind. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

10-12-2005, 11:10 PM	#265
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	I said it once and I'll say it again... I hate the dropped (ball hits the dirt) strike three call. If the guy swings and misses, there should be no second chance to get to first. __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

10-12-2005, 11:11 PM	#266
Y0DA55 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the middle of the Yankees/Red Sox Rivalry Posts: 1,771	dola, heads up play by perskjsldjgadflksski though __________________ Do, or do not, there is no try!

10-12-2005, 11:12 PM	#269
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	Tough to win when you have to beat the umps and the other team. The only thing I can compare this to is Denkinger in 1985. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

10-12-2005, 11:08 PM	#264
Sublimity Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: This thread. Posts: 3,199	Oh lord, Nip/Tuck and The OC references in a ten second time span, if that. I wish very bad things upon that man.

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Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Wow. I come back to the game after watching Lost just in time to see the White Sox win, and see the replays on that crap call. That's got to be one of the ****iest calls I've ever seen.

10-12-2005, 11:14 PM	#272
TotalEnd98 All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,687	How in the hell do you screw that one up? The umpiring this offseason has been worthless, and MLB should be ashamed. EDIT: Forgot which forum I was in. __________________ OTBL - Scandinavia Cartoon Heroes This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper.

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TheRockCT All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: TN Posts: 1,083	Wow, there's no way they should let him work the plate ever, ever a-gain. __________________ GM, Vermont Emperor Penguins - POTD POTD Champions: 2011, 2012, 2013 GM, Monterrey Aztecs* - NABA *NABA Champions: 2013

10-12-2005, 11:17 PM	#275
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	That was ****ing horrible. I would hope that the ump gets fired, but then I remembered that it's MLB.

10-12-2005, 11:24 PM	#277
Eric All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Folsom, CA Posts: 1,234	Wow. Even though I'm rooting for the White Sox, it's a bad a way to win the game. Instead of being up 2-0 heading back to Anaheim, it's a split. Really lets the wind out of the Angels sails.

10-12-2005, 11:27 PM	#279
mrskippy All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,011	Well, Persynski did what you are supposed to do ... run to first. I remember growing up and playing youth league baseball ... this is one thing we were always told to do. Run it out on third strike, when there is a chance the ball may have hit the ground. Only problem here was the ump called AJ out, though it does appear the ball may have scraped (and that is all it would take, per the rules) for AJ to have the right to run it out on strike three. Ump called AJ out, thus he should be out ... but, I think it may have bounced back into his glove AFTER he smothered it. Of course, how do they usually work these? It's strike three swinging. Ball hits ground. Runner goes to first and is safe. How is that scored and how is the ump supposed to signal such?

10-12-2005, 11:27 PM	#280
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	A thought: although the Angels can't protest a judgment call by the umpire (no matter how bad), what about the fact that the home plate umpire clearly ruled after the initial strikeout call that the batter was out with the raised fist? To let the player take first after he was already called out on the play would be a violation of the rules, which can be protested. The only way they could order a replay of the game is if it clearly affects the outcome - and there's certainly no doubt in this case. I'm dreaming, really, as baseball will never overturn the call, but that's what should happen. They should go back out tomorrow and replay starting in the top of the tenth. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.