Astros/Cardinals thread - Page 13

boilermaker · 10-21-2004, 11:25 PM

Congrats to St. Louis...I have to say, I honestly think the best baseball fans in the nation are the regulars to Busch...they're classy, they're intelligent, they're loyal...they're not trendy, they don't toss trash onto the field en masse, booing is a rarity, they don't hold self-pity when people count how many years since they last won anything....Great franchise and city that deserves it.

Erik W. · 10-21-2004, 11:25 PM

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I'm completely bummed right now, but wanted to get on the board to say congrats to the Cardinals fans. You guys are classy, and I hope my Stros play you guys in the playoffs next year. Good luck in the World Series.

And congrats to the Astros for such an amazing comeback this year, and for pushing the Cards to the limit. The Astros are awesome, the Houston fans are awesome, and I'm glad to have witnessed such a great series by two classy teams with great fans.

CardinalMan · 10-21-2004, 11:27 PM

whenever they are not taking on my hometwon team I will be rooting for the Astros from here on out. Hats off to the Astros, first class all the way... thanks for a great series, bring on the Sox.

Skipaway · 10-21-2004, 11:30 PM

So is the window closed for the Astros?

Astros02 · 10-21-2004, 11:33 PM

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So is the window closed for the Astros?

I don't think so. I think Clemens will come back for another try, Kent will be gone, and Beltran will re-sign for a large sum. Wade Miller and Pettitte pitching the whole year couldn't hurt either.

Spielman · 10-21-2004, 11:39 PM

I wonder why my Red Sox/Cardinals thread got deleted?

-Spielman

Skipaway · 10-21-2004, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Astros02

I don't think so. I think Clemens will come back for another try, Kent will be gone, and Beltran will re-sign for a large sum. Wade Miller and Pettitte pitching the whole year couldn't hurt either.

But they barely squeezed in the playoffs, and losing Kent would be huge. Bagwell is turning useless quickly. If the Munro and Redding innings can be replaced by Miller and Pettitte innings, it might help offset the loss on offense.

If they couldn't keep Beltran, these probably wouldn't matter anyway.

Right now, Beltran is probably looking for a long term deal. Would that make sense since Clemens and Bagwell are going to be useless in one or two years?

Cardinal Rule · 10-22-2004, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipaway

But they barely squeezed in the playoffs, and losing Kent would be huge. Bagwell is turning useless quickly. If the Munro and Redding innings can be replaced by Miller and Pettitte innings, it might help offset the loss on offense.

If they couldn't keep Beltran, these probably wouldn't matter anyway.

Right now, Beltran is probably looking for a long term deal. Would that make sense since Clemens and Bagwell are going to be useless in one or two years?

I'll tell you, if you can sign Beltran, you do. The Cardinals signed Edmonds in a similar deal, knowing McGwire wasn't going to be around long. If ownership is committed, the Stros will be competitive - and I think we've found out Houston wants to be there. They will be back and it'll serve to make the NL Central one of the best and most challenging along with the Cubs and Cardinals.

I want to say the Houston organization and fans are very classy and I give a ton of credit for what they accomplished this year. What a thrilling series - kudos to you, Astros. I feel for you, we've been there. Your time will come.

Elendil · 10-22-2004, 12:17 AM

What a great, exciting series. Every game decided by three or fewer runs. I think the World Series should be interesting. Obviously I'm frustrated by the fact that 2004 will rank alongside 1980 and 1986 among monumental Astro failures. I've followed the team for 18 years, 10 of them since I've moved from Houston. After Bagwell and Biggio retire, there will be no one left from the days when as a kid I listened to the games on the radio every night. When that day comes, my ties of loyalty with the team will loosen somewhat, and my interest in major league baseball will fade. However, it was good to see one more almost superhuman attempt at glory for these guys.

reds1 · 10-22-2004, 12:25 AM

Great - Red Sox vs. Cardinals. Larry Walker vs. a team that hasn't won a WS in 86 years. Now who do I cheer for? Well, I guess we're all winners for getting a dream matchup like this one. Two great teams deserving to be there - no David vs. Goliath scenario this one.

When was the last time we had two heavy weights like this meeting in the WS? Blue Jays & Braves in '92? I don't know.

Dargone · 10-22-2004, 12:51 AM

Great game, watched it at the HardRock with some buddies. Congrats to the Cards and the Astros...

H I Mcdonough · 10-22-2004, 12:56 AM

Just got back from watching the game here in St. Louis at a bar. I thought the place was loud when Pujols tied the game up, but when Rolen hit that dinger the crowd was bananas!

I am incredibly excited. Last time the Cards were in the series, I was 10. I am looking forward to heading down and catching at least one of the Series games.

CardinalMan · 10-22-2004, 01:08 AM

Anachronism · 10-22-2004, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by reds1

Great - Red Sox vs. Cardinals. Larry Walker vs. a team that hasn't won a WS in 86 years. Now who do I cheer for? Well, I guess we're all winners for getting a dream matchup like this one. Two great teams deserving to be there - no David vs. Goliath scenario this one.

Nah... Boston is more deserving IMHO... I'd love to see Boston smash the curse so that it is never mentioned again. I also think it would finally give Buckner a rest - that guy has been ridden far too long now....

Larry Walker is the ONLY guy on St. Louis I could see myself pulling for (okay, and maybe Woody Williams)... I think a Houston/Red Sox series would have been more difficult for me to decide who to pull for only because Houston has never won a series before, so I'd also be pulling for them to win one...

Red Sox/Astros? - would have been tough to call....

Red Sox/Cardinals? - Go Red Sox!

canadiancreed · 10-22-2004, 02:24 AM

I cocnur, havign Larry go to the Big Show that he shown have gone too in 1994 is a good time for all Canadian baseball fans (yes some still exist).

Also seeing Clemens being denied a chance to win a ring is always a good cherry on the cake (EDIT: I was told he already has won a ring, damn)

Still Boston/Houston jsut doesnt ahve the appeal as Boston/St.Louis. THis series is a godo one, it has history, it has a kind of rivalry, it almost makes you think of when baseball was a game, and not about who can spend the most moeny to buy a championship (yes I know Boston has the second highest payroll in the majors, but it's the though that counts)

Either way, lets go seven games, and make it a series that fans will actualyl give a **** about :d

Astros02 · 10-22-2004, 03:15 AM

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Still Boston/Houston jsut doesnt ahve the appeal as Boston/St.Louis.

Actually, it might have more. Bagwell's from Boston, and Boston traded him for a bad reliever back before Bagwell made the bigs. No need to explain the Clemens/Boston connection.

Maybe I'm biased, though.

Erik W. · 10-22-2004, 03:21 AM

Nah, you're right. From an immediate storyline standpoint, Houston vs Boston has more of em. The presidential race (guy from MA vs guy from TX), both teams having a big wall in left, the Clemens thing, the Bagwell thing.

But St Louis vs Boston has more historical story to it, since they've met in the World Series before, they're both teams that date back to the 1800's I believe, etc.

Either series would've been good. But as a lifelong Cards fan, I like the way it ended up.

pat · 10-22-2004, 03:35 AM

Nice. Go Cards, hope they'll win it all.

andymac · 10-22-2004, 05:34 AM

Thank you Astros for a GREAT series!! Here is to hoping all of the killer B's can come back (along with Roger) and make the NL Central the best division in baseball again next season.

Astros = Class!!

Astros02 · 10-22-2004, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Thank you Astros for a GREAT series!! Here is to hoping all of the killer B's can come back (along with Roger) and make the NL Central the best division in baseball again next season.

Astros = Class!!

Can't wait. Cardinals = Class as well, can't tell you how much of a relief it was to face you guys after the Braves, not in terms of difficulty obviously, but in terms of the fans.

10-21-2004, 11:30 PM	#244
Skipaway Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Where you live Posts: 11,017	So is the window closed for the Astros? __________________ Jonathan Haidt: Moral reasoning is really just a servant masquerading as a high priest.

10-21-2004, 11:39 PM	#246
Spielman All Star Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,668	Huh. I wonder why my Red Sox/Cardinals thread got deleted? -Spielman

10-22-2004, 12:17 AM	#249
Elendil Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the dynasty forum Posts: 2,318	What a great, exciting series. Every game decided by three or fewer runs. I think the World Series should be interesting. Obviously I'm frustrated by the fact that 2004 will rank alongside 1980 and 1986 among monumental Astro failures. I've followed the team for 18 years, 10 of them since I've moved from Houston. After Bagwell and Biggio retire, there will be no one left from the days when as a kid I listened to the games on the radio every night. When that day comes, my ties of loyalty with the team will loosen somewhat, and my interest in major league baseball will fade. However, it was good to see one more almost superhuman attempt at glory for these guys. __________________ Heaven is kicking back with a double Talisker and a churchwarden stuffed with latakia.

10-22-2004, 12:25 AM	#250
reds1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 3,985	Great - Red Sox vs. Cardinals. Larry Walker vs. a team that hasn't won a WS in 86 years. Now who do I cheer for? Well, I guess we're all winners for getting a dream matchup like this one. Two great teams deserving to be there - no David vs. Goliath scenario this one. When was the last time we had two heavy weights like this meeting in the WS? Blue Jays & Braves in '92? I don't know. __________________ United Leagues of Braeland

10-22-2004, 12:51 AM	#251
Dargone Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Interwebs Posts: 2,862	Great game, watched it at the HardRock with some buddies. Congrats to the Cards and the Astros... __________________ I was never one to patiently pick up broken fragments and glue them together again and tell myself that the mended whole was as good as new. What is broken is broken -- and I'd rather remember it as it was at its best than mend it and see the broken places as long as I lived.-Margaret Mitchell

10-21-2004, 11:25 PM	#241
boilermaker All Star Starter Join Date: May 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,956	Congrats to St. Louis...I have to say, I honestly think the best baseball fans in the nation are the regulars to Busch...they're classy, they're intelligent, they're loyal...they're not trendy, they don't toss trash onto the field en masse, booing is a rarity, they don't hold self-pity when people count how many years since they last won anything....Great franchise and city that deserves it.

10-21-2004, 11:27 PM	#243
CardinalMan Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 190	whenever they are not taking on my hometwon team I will be rooting for the Astros from here on out. Hats off to the Astros, first class all the way... thanks for a great series, bring on the Sox.

10-22-2004, 12:56 AM	#252
H I Mcdonough Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 291	Just got back from watching the game here in St. Louis at a bar. I thought the place was loud when Pujols tied the game up, but when Rolen hit that dinger the crowd was bananas! I am incredibly excited. Last time the Cards were in the series, I was 10. I am looking forward to heading down and catching at least one of the Series games.

10-22-2004, 01:08 AM	#253
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10-22-2004, 02:24 AM	#255
canadiancreed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,660	I cocnur, havign Larry go to the Big Show that he shown have gone too in 1994 is a good time for all Canadian baseball fans (yes some still exist). Also seeing Clemens being denied a chance to win a ring is always a good cherry on the cake (EDIT: I was told he already has won a ring, damn) Still Boston/Houston jsut doesnt ahve the appeal as Boston/St.Louis. THis series is a godo one, it has history, it has a kind of rivalry, it almost makes you think of when baseball was a game, and not about who can spend the most moeny to buy a championship (yes I know Boston has the second highest payroll in the majors, but it's the though that counts) Either way, lets go seven games, and make it a series that fans will actualyl give a ** about :d __________________ PT21 PT22**

10-22-2004, 03:21 AM	#257
Erik W. Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivière-du-Loup, Qc Posts: 4,615	Nah, you're right. From an immediate storyline standpoint, Houston vs Boston has more of em. The presidential race (guy from MA vs guy from TX), both teams having a big wall in left, the Clemens thing, the Bagwell thing. But St Louis vs Boston has more historical story to it, since they've met in the World Series before, they're both teams that date back to the 1800's I believe, etc. Either series would've been good. But as a lifelong Cards fan, I like the way it ended up.

10-22-2004, 03:35 AM	#258
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	Nice. Go Cards, hope they'll win it all. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

10-22-2004, 05:34 AM	#259
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Thank you Astros for a GREAT series!! Here is to hoping all of the killer B's can come back (along with Roger) and make the NL Central the best division in baseball again next season. Astros = Class!! __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac Last edited by andymac; 10-22-2004 at 05:35 AM.