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[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Yes, but I don't think anyone will be playing games like this in actual reality past about 2025 or 2030, honestly, with the way things are now or likely to get in the near future for the real world. I don't even know yet if OOTP will ever see version 30, either, for that matter, of course. If it somehow does make it to OOTP version 30, though, I'd be quite surprised, supposing that I were actually still around somehow in this world of ours, to see there be an OOTP 35 version here.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong about a lot of things when it comes to the real world, for instance, but I really don't think I am, to be sure. Whatever happens in it, and to those in it, however, I will still continue to trust God to take care of people as He wills and all, in any case at all, at the very least, for as long as I still remain alive on this planet of His creation, and I will continue trying to do His will as best as I possibly can on it and all, as well.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm sure. Lord willing and all, of course, that is, you know. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, too, for that matter, jg2977. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Please don't forget this part here, at least, for future reference, if you possibly can avoid doing so, jg2977. It would probably be something we should both try to remember as best as possible, whenever possible, I think:

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Every season, you should probably let me know what specific IPA teams may be eligible teams for prospective new players to start on. Eligible teams in this context would be any team that would be using at least one or two of my items for themselves every so often, at least, I think, during the applicable season or seasons, of course, unless I am more specific in a certain case at times.

If you want or need me to do more graphics for you and your IPA teams, at least, you will need to give me at least a week's notice prior to the time you next start a brand-new season, I think, once all the awards are done for a particular season. That should hopefully allow me enough time to make the needed graphics as best as possible, and as soon as possible, prior to that season or following seasons. For instance, if you want me to make new items for 1872, you will need to let me know as soon as possible, just which teams you may want me to try and do good items for, of course. Just so you know, jg2977.

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Hopefully, this will help us both keep things clearer in our minds over time, somehow. I would really like to try and tackle every team in your IPAs or EC's, eventually, if I haven't already done so, for sure, somehow. Lord willing and all, of course, that is, jg2977. I may not be able to do so for every team, mind you, but it would be really nice if I could actually do so in time, somehow, for sure, in my view. CD out.

[jg2977]

I understand that you need time to do graphics in the way that you intend. However, as EC has said, I am happy with most of my graphics and I won't need much more. Also, I am not going to wait a whole week after the awards are presented to start the next season. I'm starting the next season right away.

So for 1873, how about you tackle the Cape Coral Hurricanes? I don't know if you've done them yet. Here's their primary and secondary logo. Please only use the colors that are in the logo.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Okay, I'll try my best as quickly as I can, as often as I can, whenever it comes to making new graphics for teams, at least. But sometimes I may still need at least a week, just so you know, to get a suitable enough set done for you, for any relevant team. Especially if there's bad weather in and around my area, for instance, just so you know, jg2977. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

The more advance notice you give of possible graphics needs, the sooner I might be able to somehow have them ready for you by the times you may then want or need them each to be as ready as possible by, for relevant teams. Weather and all permitting, that is, of course, you know. That's why I mentioned that earlier, basically, jg2977. Okay? CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Here are some items, as requested, for Cape Coral's Hurricanes. Font is Montserrat, while the colors used besides pure white are as follows:

dfdfdf Gainsboro (223, 223, 223)
c35f0e Alloy Orange (195, 95, 14)
2f1d64 Midnight Blue (47, 29, 100)
a29c6b Misty Moss (162, 156, 107)
f38f3e Cadmium Orange (243, 143, 62)

I may do at least a few more items for this team sometime later on, of course, and I tried to get as close as I could with the colors based on the posted logos, as well. But I'm not quite sure if I matched them perfectly just yet, to be honest. Please feel free to comment on these items here as you like and can, within fair and just reason and all, folks. That is all for this post here, I think, then. CD out.

[jg2977]

If you want to eventually tackle all 64 IPA teams for yourself, you can certainly have at it. I just need you to understand that I am happy with all of my graphics now, very well done by terrific modders such as knuckler, txranger, low, silvam 14, cephasjames, No Pepper. If you can do something better than them, then I will consider using yours. So I am really in no rush for any more graphics at this time. You can certainly use them for yourself to create your own dynasty, and to practice improving your graphics skills.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Okay, I relish challenges, after all, often. If and whenever you want me to try doing my takes on them, supposing I haven't already, please feel free to post the relevant team or teams' current graphics, and/or relevant imagery to try and incorporate and all, if they haven't already been posted by either you or someone else first. Then I'll try and see if I can create at least a few things of sufficient enough quality for you to use, jg2977. Of course, my items won't look exactly like other people's items, but maybe I can still make things you'd still like enough to use regularly.

Keep me posted, please, and I'll try to get some Cape Coral Hurricanes items done for you as soon and as best as I can. Any preferences for fonts, et cetera, on these potential items for Cape Coral, by any chance? Please advise, jg2977. Thank you. CD out.

[jg2977]

I'm not too fussy about the fonts, so I'll give you total freedom on that aspect. My only request is to use minimal shading and the basic colors that are present on the logo, orange and blue. You can use a digital color meter or something similar to determine the exact codes of each color.

Something that I'm considering, and I think it could be fun, is to add a second major league to my IPA world. The 30 current major league teams could have their own league running alongside the IPA, and they could have their own playoffs. After the IPA and MLB champions are determined, I can schedule a best-of-7 exhibition series for the overall world championship. I'll have to come up with an interesting name for that. It would be fun to see the IPA and MLB champs battling each other. I believe that it can be done, I'll just have to look up how to do that. And I'll try my best to not help the Yankees win. I probably wouldn't start that until 1903, which was the year of the first official World Series.

The other thing that I want to do is use all of my great NHL graphics again, so have a promotion-relegation league with the current 32 teams. The original 6 would definitely start in the primary league, and then I'd probably choose whoever the largest markets are for next 10. The 16 smaller market teams would start in the secondary league. I'd probably promote and relegate three teams per season.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I suggested adding other leagues to your IPA worlds, but you rejected those suggestions earlier. But are you reconsidering? Just curious, that's all.

As far as starting tournaments between leagues, you could start that sort of thing in 1901, if you started the MLB at least, in time for the 1901 season, at the latest. That way you could perhaps keep better track of how many World Series there were, you know. With the World Series champion being the winner of the association playoffs, after all, of course.

The National League started in 1876, and the American League in 1901, technically, in reality, even if they don't generally regard MLB as starting in 1901 in certain cases here any longer. I'd start Major League Baseball in 1876, along with perhaps a few other leagues, whether with real names or not, if I were you. Whether that means the AL starts 25 years sooner or not, that is.

As for team names, I'd start with all the classic team names, including whatever name you'd choose for the Boston NL team or the Cleveland AL team, and then uncheck the name changes and location changes, if you so choose, so that they stick permanently as long as those boxes aren't included in the automatic evolution process. If you want the current cities all included, with the appropriate teams, then create certain other leagues, accordingly, as you see fit and all. But there's something to be said for having the Brooklyn Dodgers, the New York Giants, and the St. Louis Browns, for instance, in MLB, I think.

As for me, I often create a second overall major league with the Expansion-Era teams plus the Chicago Whales and the New Jersey Generals, often called the American Federal Baseball Union, when I don't create a 32-team MLB with two divisions of eight teams in either subleague for a particular dynasty. The Federal League generally consists of teams in the eastern half of North America, while the Continental League generally consists of teams in the western half of it.

This is often how I arrange things, when I want all of the usual 32 MLB and/or AFBU teams in one or two overall leagues:

National:

Boston Braves
Brooklyn Dodgers
Chicago Cubs
Cincinnati Reds
New York Giants
Philadelphia Phillies
Pittsburgh Pirates
St. Louis Cardinals

American:

Boston Red Sox
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland Indians
Detroit Tigers
New York Yankees
Philadelphia Athletics
St. Louis Browns
Washington Senators

Federal:

Chicago Whales
Florida Marlins
Milwaukee Brewers
Montreal Expos
New Jersey Generals
New York Metropolitans AKA Mets
Tampa Bay Devil Rays
Toronto Blue Jays

Continental:

Arizona Diamondbacks
California Angels
Colorado Rockies
Houston Astros or Colt .45's
Kansas City Royals
San Diego Padres
Seattle Mariners
Texas Rangers

When it's not actually part of the MLB framework, in a particular dynasty of mine, the Federal League is typically part of the AFBU, in opposition to the Continental League. When it is, I usually put the Federal League as a division in the same subleague as the National League, and the Continental League as a division in the same subleague as the American League, switching their technical designations from leagues to divisions, as I do with the National and American League as well. Just so you know, jg2977. CD out.

[jg2977]

Thanks for your suggestions, but I wasn't really asking for advice. I want the current teams. I'm not interested in having the Boston Braves, St. Louis Browns or the Brooklyn Dodgers. I'll be happier and more interested setting up my leagues as I please.

For the hockey-themed dynasty it would be easy to name the two leagues. The Primary League would be the National Hockey League. The regular season winner would win the President's Trophy, and the playoff winner would have the Stanley Cup. I'd probably have a small 4-team playoff. The Secondary League would be called the World Hockey Association and the playoff champion would win the Avco Cup.

What might be really dramatic for my hockey dynasty is to do manual promotion/relegation. Only choose one team to promote/relegate from each league. The last place team in the NHL gets demoted, and the winner of the Avco Cup in the WHA would get promoted. That would certainly add to the drama. Otherwise, the WHA playoffs would merely feel like an exhibition. With the Avco Cup winner getting promoted to the NHL, that would be a huge reward.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Not a problem, jg2977. I just thought it would be rather interesting to have those teams, for instance, in your dynasty or dynasties, that's all. Especially if you like crosstown rivalries and all, you see. Of course, you can always run your solo-play leagues and/or dynasties any way or ways you so choose, you know, if and whenever possible and all, for sure.

What do you think mainly led to the franchise shifts for certain teams to other locations, in your view? Something was definitely lost, I think, when certain teams shifted away from their classic locations, to others. Yes, things were gained, of course, but I still think a lot was probably lost when teams started moving like they did, as well.

Same thing when the DH was instituted, as well. I really don't like the DH, but I still accept that it's been part of baseball for so long, in truth. That would be one of the various historical changes I'd immediately reverse and eliminate, if I possibly could, and I were able to run baseball easily enough in reality.

I would also split off the Expansion-era teams into two new leagues, Federal and Continental Leagues, along with two other teams, with the NL and AL regaining their eight-team configurations, whether they'd return to their classic locations or not, and return to the 154-game schedule length that was in use prior to the Expansion Era's start. Washington would have a team, especially if it was the Senators, and so would Montreal. Not sure whether Chicago would have three teams, or New York and/or New Jersey would have at least four teams, in the new configuration, but I think both those locations/areas could each support at least three teams, if not more, in their areas, easily enough, if everything was set up properly enough.

I'd rather see the Orioles back in St. Louis as the Browns, for instance, but realistically, that's not going to happen any time soon, if ever, of course. St. Louis is now a Cardinals town, although it would have been interesting to see the crosstown rivalry develop into later decades, especially in my own lifetime, in my view. Same thing with the Braves and Red Sox, or Phillies and Athletics, et cetera.

IF the Browns had still been in St. Louis, would Cal Ripken, Jr. and others have brought multiple titles to the Gateway City, especially during the years that other teams won titles in reality, including the Athletics, for instance? As a matter of fact, would Pujols have perhaps played for the Browns instead of the Cardinals, for instance, too? It's something to think about, for sure, as well.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm sure. Lord willing and all, of course, that is. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, as always, jg2977. CD out.

[jg2977]

After the 1957 season, Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley decided to move the team to Los Angeles for financial and other reasons. Along the way, he convinced Giants owner Horace Stoneham (who was considering moving his team to Minnesota) to preserve the rivalry by bringing his team to California as well.

The Dodgers owner recognized that Ebbets Field, although a jewel, was showing signs of age. He wanted a nice shiny new domed stadium to be built at the corner of Atlantic and Flatbush, which is now home to the Barclays Center and the Brooklyn Nets. That never came to fruition, so O'Malley took the Dodgers to LA instead.

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[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Do you think they could have been kept in New York State somehow, in any case, at least, jg2977, if not in New York City and its boroughs or nearby areas? Just wondering, that's all. How do you think baseball history might have developed had Brooklyn been able to keep its Dodgers and New York its Giants? It would have been interesting to see the Bronx have the Yankees, Manhattan the Giants, Queens the Mets, and Brooklyn the Dodgers, at least, I think. Don't you think so?

As a further elaboration on my earlier thoughts about the four major leagues, I'd have a brief mid-season All-Star tournament between the four leagues, similar to the WBC, perhaps, and then seed the post-season tournament based on the regular-season records of each league's champions, to mix things up a bit more, and perhaps make them more interesting to follow, as well. Then the World Series matchups could be quite different every year, too, I think.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm sure. Lord willing and all, of course, that is, you know, jg2977. Thank you for the information here related to the Dodgers and Giants, too. CD out.

[jg2977]

If the Dodgers and Giants were still in Brooklyn and Manhattan, the Mets would not exist. They were created to replace the two teams that moved away. That's one reason why the Mets' uniforms are blue (Dodgers) and orange (Giants). I highly doubt that there would be four teams in New York City at any given time.

[jg2977]

To my MLB setup I'd like to add one team to each league to get an even number (16) in both the AL and NL. The two teams would be the Hartford Whalers and Montreal Expos. I keep going back and forth between which leagues they would each go in.

Option #1: Montreal AL, Hartford NL
-Montreal could have a natural rivalry with Toronto, facing them several times in the regular season, and possibly meeting in the playoffs.
-Hartford could have a natural rivalry with the Mets

Option #2: Hartford AL, Montreal NL
-Hartford's natural rivals could be the Yankees and Red Sox. They'd be right in the middle of the two cities.
-Montreal would be in the NL where they always were.

The other thing I would do is move the Houston Astros back to the NL and Milwaukee Brewers back to the AL, as well as getting rid of the divisional setup.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Yes, Houston should never have been sent to the AL, and the Brewers to the NL, in my view. If the number of teams went from 28 to 30, with me in charge of baseball, there would not have been teams changing leagues like what was done in reality. It's more likely that the number of teams would have gone straight from 28 to 32, instead. Whether in the aforementioned locations or not, that is, supposing I were in charge of real-world baseball.

Montreal would have stayed in Montreal, too, if at all possible, had I had my way. Which of course, means that Washington likely wouldn't have had a team for at least a little while up to now, unless it was another expansion team, or a classic team returning home to its proper location. Unfortunately, we can't easily merge certain teams together as of yet in OOTP, or perhaps even in FHM, I believe.

I now live somewhere in Twins territory, technically, but I have been a Cardinals fan since I was very young, having been born in Missouri myself so long ago. My grandma lived in the St. Louis area prior to her death, so that no doubt influenced my choice of favorite sports teams to follow when I was young. Of course, St. Louis has no NBA team, and the Gridbirds were still in St. Louis, not to mention the Blues. I liked Dr. J from the Sixers, so I chose to follow the Sixers, and I still do, to a degree. As far as I'm concerned, the NFL Cards still belong in STL, and the Rams are thankfully back where they belong, instead of where they never should have been in the first place at all, over in LA.

Hartford might be a good choice, or not, for a team in your setup. Depending on how you want to configure things, however, if you want to keep all the existing teams in your proposed setup, I'd put Washington in the AL, using the Senators name, probably, for instance, which would help to restore old rivalries that were lost when the Senators moved to either Minnesota or Texas.

The above configuration for the leagues mentioned above, I created, after considering where certain teams hailed from, either classically or in the expansion era of baseball. I believe I first grouped teams together by fours, then by eights, or at least by twos, first, and then went from there, in terms of how I decided the placements of certain teams in each of those leagues.

For instance, the Cubs and Cardinals would certainly have to be together with each other, if at all possible. Same with the Yankees and Red Sox, of course. I put natural rivals together first, for sure, then ultimately expanded the relevant groupings as I saw fit, into different pods of some sort, until I had a full eight teams in each relevant league and/or division as seen above.

Now I'm not saying you have to use the same locations or team names, et cetera, of course, jg2977. But if you could somehow determine which teams would fit best with each other in a similar manner, easily enough here, it just might be quite helpful and all for you when it comes to arranging and aligning your relevant leagues and/or divisions. IF you do it right, you could then easily use either the 154-game season length or the 162-game season length for quite a while, I think, for your relevant league and/or dynasty, you know.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm quite sure, jg2977. Thank you for your input and all here, as always, of course. Hartford, though, might be a rather difficult place to put a new MLB team in, at this time, I think. You may instead have to look elsewhere for a possible team location for team 32, if you put Washington in the AL, to oppose the Orioles, you know. CD out.

[jg2977]

If you had to choose between Option 1 and Option 2, and they were your only two choices, which would you go with?

This is OOTP, not the real world. So imagine that Hartford is a bigger city and market, similar in nature to Philadelphia or St. Louis. Would you put Hartford in the AL or NL?

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Montreal belongs in the NL, point-blank, in any case, for sure. Canada needs to be represented by two teams, even if they're not technically in the same league, officially, so there could potentially be an all-Canadian World Series at times, I think. Besides, Detroit is close enough to Toronto to be a potential rival, I think, anyway. As far as the other potential expansion team, depending on where you put Washington, leagues-wise, that would be up to you, of course, jg2977. CD out.

[jg2977]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

Montreal belongs in the NL, point-blank, in any case, for sure. Canada needs to be represented by two teams, even if they're not technically in the same league, officially, so there could potentially be an all-Canadian World Series at times, I think. Besides, Detroit is close enough to Toronto to be a potential rival, I think, anyway. As far as the other potential expansion team, depending on where you put Washington, leagues-wise, that would be up to you, of course, jg2977. CD out.

That's the direction that I was leaning towards. Since Montreal belongs in the NL, that leaves me with no choice but to put Hartford in the AL. The Mets don't need Hartford as a rival anyway, because they have Philadelphia as a close natural rival, only a 2-hour drive away. Plus it would be more exciting for me to have Hartford competing regularly against the Red Sox and Yankees. Actually, I would likely follow Hartford and watch every regular season game against NYY and BOS. For stadiums, the Yankees would have their brand new stadium, and I would put Hartford in Silvam's version of Yankee Stadium II.

Since I will have current teams, the Washington Nationals will stay in the NL.

I live in the Hartford area, which is why I want Hartford in this version of the MLB.