Graphics Collection from CD's Ultra-Fine House of Style

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

As far as the existing and currently-available logos for Crystal Lake's Skippers, I believe I can recolor certain areas of them, to use the available colors from the uniforms and/or caps I made earlier, if needed, at least to a degree, if not entirely so. I have actually recolored certain logos before, after all, such as the Electrics logo, for instance, very early in this exact same thread. So if I can do that well enough here with certain logos for Crystal Lake, so much the better, then, I think, jg2977.

Let me see what I can do in that regard, and then you can judge the quality of my work as you see fit to judge it, accordingly, of course. Obviously, if you don't want to use what I modify and all, you certainly don't have to, you know. But if I do well enough here, I hope you will at least consider using what I modify for them, for sure.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, Lord willing and all, I'm sure. Thank you for your input and all, as always, too, here. Until next time, I'll close this here, then, I think, jg2977. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

CD,

Please read this carefully.

I do not want to hurt your feelings or put a damper on your graphics creativity and development... I just want to help you as much as I can so that you might one day be capable of doing custom requests for the OOTP Community... I know how much you would like to do custom graphics for the OOTP Community and us... you would really like to share and give back to the OOTP Community... I know this.

Please read carefully.

But to do custom work for the OOTP Community and us, you will have use tradition styles and colors like knuckler, txranger, low, silvam 14, cephasjames and other talented graphics people.

I know you are not as skilled as those guys, but you still could use traditional colors and styles like they do.

jg2977 and I have tried to help you with your leagues and graphics.
You like the "flowing style" graphics with multi-colored jerseys.
To be honest with you, neither jg2977, nor I like this type of graphics.

When you make a jersey for us, please use traditional styles and colors.
For instance, Crystal Lake Skippers' colors are blue and bright gold... those are the colors of naval-related teams... the Naval Academy's colors are blue and gold... that is what jg2977 and I prefer.... he even stated it in a recent post, but you don't seem to notice it.

We do not want the colors you used in your Crystal Lake set... they do not look good to us... and we will not use them.

Most people would not want you to mix red and green with blue and gold... in general, they don't go together very well... to be honest, they don't look to us at all... we just didn't want to tell you that and hurt your feelings, but you need to know when we don't like your graphics... neither jg2977, nor myself want you to waste your time on graphics we will never use.

If you want jg2977 to use your Crystal Lake Skippers, just use blue and gold for the Skippers... I am very happy with knuckler and txranger's Crystal Lake logos, jerseys and caps... however, if you should do it better than them, sure, I will consider your work.

Neither one of us like it when you combine all of the colors of a city's pro team and use them for a team... the colors do not match.

Mixing the colors of the Seattle Pilots, Mariners, Sonics, Seahawks and Kraken does not look good to either one of us.

[Eugene Church]

CD,

jg2977 and I need to tell you that we don't have time to create all of your special player requests for our IPA leagues... we don't mind creating 2 players, Gordon and Arthyr Freeman and put them in our leagues... but we will not spend a lot of time doing it and reporting their careers to you.

In a nice way, jg2977 just told you he is working fulltime and is quite busy... he is a really good guy and wants to please you, but you are asking him to do too much... and he is such a nice person, he will not turn you down.

Just give him the names of 4 players you want in his IPA 2.0 league.
He will create them with above average ratings and potential ratings, place them on a team and then let the AI take care of them... he will give you yearly reports on each of the 4 players... he will make them 21 years old... and assign them to teams of his choice... they will begin play in the 1870s... that is when he is starting his new dynasty league... you can follow your players in his league.

He does not need all of the players' vital stats and information that you want him to use... he doesn't have time to do it.

Just keep it simple... give him 4 names and nothing else... let him do the rest... he will create the players and put them on teams and then give you a report on them at the end of the season.

He has the time to do this.

jg2977 does not want to add any of your teams from Slobbovia to his IPA... let him run his league the way he wants to run it... it is his league... not yours.

And jg2977 doesn't have time to discuss music that you some way want to put in your novel and include in your baseball dynasties.

Please understand we are your friends and want the best for you... we just want you to understand our feelings, too.
We like you, but we are going to run our OOTP leagues the way we want... and we will only use graphics that we like in our leagues... we are sorry that we will not be using your graphics and your suggestions for our leagues... and we hope you understand our reasoning.

[Eugene Church]

Here are the midseason stats for Gordon and Arthyr Freeman in my South Island Supreme League... it's a semi-pro league with an 11-game schedule with no playoffs... just weekend games on a Sunday... one game a week.

[Eugene Church]

[Eugene Church]

I have previously updated the Freemans in my Islandian Pro Alliance.

I posted their 2074 seasons a few weeks ago here in your thread.

Posts 2401 and 2402.

So I'm up-to-date now on your Freeman Brothers.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

I'll consider your suggestions, as always, EC and jg2977, as you know. Good suggestions, for sure, in any case. I'm not totally settled on the looks of the Skippers just yet, to be honest. But I just wanted to see what I could think up here, at least for now, for them. Whether they're from a nation that normally prefers various teams' looks to be what most might consider traditional looks for real-world nations or from a nation that doesn't do that, in truth.

These Skippers, however, might represent a place from a country called Thaqubrem, or not. I've not totally decided that for sure just yet, but am currently leaning towards that being the case for them here. Just so you know.

Thanks for your input and all, as always, you two. It's certainly quite appreciated, even if I don't necessarily agree completely with your respective thoughts all the time related to it, I must say, to be sure. And I appreciate that you both obviously care enough to try and be as honest with me as you possibly can, as fairly as possible and all, too, for that matter.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm sure. Lord willing and all, you know, that is, of course. I'll almost certainly work more on these particular Crystal Lake Skippers items, in any case, if and whenever possible and all, for sure. Please take care, and I hope to hear back from you both very soon, and all, as well. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

My point on the Crystal Lake Skippers is that they should be Blue and Gold if you are making them for jg2977 and for me... we want anything you make for us to be in a traditional style and traditional colors.

However, if the set you made is for your league, that is fine with the colors you chose... it is your league and the graphics should be in your taste, colors and style.

And point #2... if you want others to use the graphics you create, you should do them in traditional styles and colors... otherwise it will be rare that anyone will use your "flowing styles and color combinations".

[jg2977]

CD, I like your uniforms in small doses. I'll put them in the game to see what they look like and try them for a few games for a specific team, but ultimately I prefer the traditional looking uniforms like EC has said, and I almost always go back to them. It's true, if you used more traditional styles and colors, people would be more apt to use your graphics.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

jg2977, I'll try to send you at least one private message by the end of the weekend, or by Monday or Tuesday, at the latest, related to certain things I mentioned earlier, if I can do that easily enough somehow. Maybe you can even answer a few questions I might have, or not, somehow, and give me some advice to think about, as well. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, then, for that matter. And your honesty, come to think of it, too. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

In the meantime, I'll probably experiment more with various teams' looks, including the ones you saw earlier for the Skippers, for instance. As I said before, I'm not totally settled on their looks just yet. If I can find/create a look I think is at least of decent enough quality compared to what has been done quite well by knuckler and/or txranger already here, then that certainly would be good here. But it may still take a while, and it most likely still will won't be quite as well-done as what they did for them earlier, in various ways, if I'm able to come up with things for them that I can live with well enough as a graphics designer here, I think.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, of course, for sure. Lord willing and all, you know, folks. There's a lot of development and work time that I'm going to have to put in, no doubt, to even get close to being at least a quarter as good as the best designers here, on average, I think, in terms of graphics and all. Especially seeing as they've been at it a lot longer than I have here, for that matter, in truth. CD out.

[Eugene Church]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

In the meantime, I'll probably experiment more with various teams' looks, including the ones you saw earlier for the Skippers, for instance. As I said before, I'm not totally settled on their looks just yet. If I can find/create a look I think is at least of decent enough quality compared to what has been done quite well by knuckler and/or txranger already here, then that certainly would be good here. But it may still take a while, and it most likely still will won't be quite as well-done as what they did for them earlier, in various ways, if I'm able to come up with things for them that I can live with well enough as a graphics designer here, I think.

Talk more later, as time permits and all, of course, for sure. Lord willing and all, you know, folks. There's a lot of development and work time that I'm going to have to put in, no doubt, to even get close to being at least a quarter as good as the best designers here, on average, I think, in terms of graphics and all. Especially seeing as they've been at it a lot longer than I have here, for that matter, in truth. CD out.

CD, you have done well in your graphics work... you have come along way... your work with the gradient colors and the rainbow jerseys and caps shows you have a lot technical talent and skill... there's no way I could do those things.

What I think would greatly improve your graphics is to improve your choice of colors... you pick colors that don't go together or blend and coordinate well... you should also just use 2 or 3 colors for each team... you create graphics with 4 or 5 colors that clash... get rid of colors that don't go together well.

You need to do some research on color coordination and learn how to choose colors that blend well together... in my opinion that is the major reason your graphics don't appeal to me.

Your choice of colors clash much too often and don't look good together.

You need to work with mainstream colors used by the vast majority of sports teams... then I think your graphics will be much better.

Look at the NY Yankees... just navy blue and white.at home.. and navy blue and gray on the road... very simple and yet very classy... most sports teams have just 2 or 3 colors that look good in combination.
You need to look at all the major sports teams and see what colors they use... then use them on your teams.

I hope that one day you will be as good as knuckler, txranger, low, silvam 14, cephasjames, No Pepper and many other talented people on the Mods Forum.

[jg2977]

Originally Posted by Clovidequano Dovatha

jg2977, I'll try to send you at least one private message by the end of the weekend, or by Monday or Tuesday, at the latest, related to certain things I mentioned earlier, if I can do that easily enough somehow. Maybe you can even answer a few questions I might have, or not, somehow, and give me some advice to think about, as well. Thank you for your time and attention and all here, then, for that matter. And your honesty, come to think of it, too. CD out.

Ok. It looks like your first player will be Henry Freeman and you said that he can join my IPA in 1874. I've just completed the 1871 season, so I'll begin with 1872 today. Just send me his date of birth, hometown, position and which side he bats and throws. I assume you'll want him on the Glasco Celtics?

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

What teams might qualify by that season for any potential player I'd be proposing, by the usual standards? You don't want the usual starting ratings and all, because he'd ideally have ratings at certain positions, if I remember things correctly and all here, from my files and/or notes related to him? He'd be just out of college, when he'd be starting, it seems to me, so he'd be circa 22 or so years old, for your information.

In fact, I did post his date of birth in your thread, circa post 20, it seems to me. Let me check my files, and I'll send you the needed information privately by the time you finish the 1872 or 1873 seasons, if I can. How much time would it probably take for you to complete those seasons? Please let me know.

As far as what team or teams these players would start on, whenever their proper times come, no matter how many there are in this generation, we'll have to see what teams are currently eligible for them to start on. And once the Freemans' rivals start appearing, we'll want to try to make sure that the two sides don't have members of them actually playing alongside each other, except during All-Star Games, as much as possible, I think. Even if that means we might somehow actually have to lock them to certain IPA teams periodically, of course.

In any case, I don't plan to propose a lot of players for possible inclusion in your IPA in Henry's generation, and their entrances will definitely be staggered. But for your refreshment, here are the dates of birth I have in mind for the only players I currently expect and plan to propose for Henry's generation in your IPA. I don't necessarily have birth locations decided yet for them all, mind you, but I do have at least names and dates of birth at this time. We can extrapolate their potential entry years from them, and/or certain posts in both this thread and your relevant dynasty thread, of course, jg2977. If I don't propose them as being at an age right after their likely high school graduations, then they will likely be either college-aged or just after their likely college graduations, just so you know. I may or may not include middle names at times in their names, which you can include or omit as you like, if and when you add them to your IPA, of course.

It will be up to you here whether you use Henry's middle name when you add him to your league, and any middle names will likely be in parentheses when they are not necessarily needed as part of your players' names, whether for the Freemans or for any other player I may propose later on, no matter what category they may be in here, of five. Those categories being Freeman Family, Freeman Family Allies, Rival Family, Rival Family Allies, or Non-Aligned, in this context. Non-aligned means they can be on any IPA team, even if any player from any of the other four categories is on their team or teams.

Freeman Side:

Henry (Clarence) Freeman: October 26, 1851 (College graduate, University of Missouri-Columbia, Class of 1873, Entry year 1874, FF)

Zebulon Morse: April 21, 1852 (College, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, FFA)

Kyle Jordan Walton: February 27, 1854 (Likely College, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, FFA)

Jethro Morse: August 20, 1860 (High School or College TBD, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, FFA)

Rival Side:

Jedediah Holmes: July 24, 1857 (High School or College TBD, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, RF)

Tanner Garber: September 26, 1861 (High School or College TBD, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, RF)

Barrett Parverol: February 3, 1864 (High School or College TBD, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, RF)

Simon Clairborne: March 28, 1864 (High School or College TBD, School TBD, Class TBD, Entry year TBD, RF)

It is possible by the time that the last two on the rivals' side of things appear that Henry could be well into his career, if not already retired, of course. Especially if they go to college, like Henry will have done, by that time. But we'll have to see. Henry will be from St. Louis, though, at least, although I don't know about the Morses or Walton yet, to be sure. The Morses and Walton likely will each be from St. Louis or somewhere near there, while the rivals' birthplaces, I've not quite worked out yet. But seeing as the first rival we might include here won't have been born before 1857, we still have some time here to figure that out. The earliest the first rival could perhaps appear in your IPA is in 1876, I think, if they come in the year after their likely high school graduation, obviously enough.

I'll try to send you at least one private message as soon as I can, although it may not be until later tonight at the earliest, just so you know. Thank you very much for your time and attention and all, as always. We'll mutually work out the entry teams for whatever players I might propose from a periodically-updated list of eligible teams for each season, if that's all right with you, jg2977. And then go from there as the need or desire arises for us here, of course, for any or all of the players in question here. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

The Morses and Walton will not necessarily each have to start on the exact same eligible team as Freeman will then be on if and when they might each debut, if that would help you out here, but it might be helpful, just the same here. I would hope that any siblings for any prospective players would start on the same team as one or more of their siblings, though, and play at least one year with said siblings of theirs before being sent to another team in your IPA, if possible.

Currently the only planned brothers in Henry's generation would be the two Morse brothers. The rivals will not have any brothers to play with in this generation, in any case. Walton, who will become the father of the Freeman brothers' mother, will not have a brother in this generation, and neither will Henry, the father of Gordon and his three brothers. Not even in my dynasties, I think, or at least not most of my dynasties, anyway.

As far as the current/main rivals of the Freemans, I currently envision them as being rivals to the Freemans and their allies both on and off the field. And all four of the rivals in Henry's generation will be rivals for the hand of Henry's future wife, or of other people close to Henry or the Morses, or business rivals, et cetera, I think. So there will most definitely be bad blood between the rivals and the Freemans, for sure, which might also play out on the field, or not, somehow.

I'll continue this discussion later, whether privately or not, then, I think. Thank you for your time and all here, of course, as always. Talk more with you later, as time allows and all, I'm sure, jg2977. Please take care and all, of course, as best as you can, I hope. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

When the 1873 season is over, let's look at the standings, and see what teams Henry may be eligible for starting on, based on the usual criteria for determining that. Then perhaps put him on one of those teams that may need the most help from a player like him. He'll be a corner infielder/corner outfielder as I would propose him, evidently.

After his starting ratings are set, whether you use the relevant values as actually proposed or as the AI then creates them, let's perhaps let them be from then on, as much as possible, so we can see where the game takes his career, ratings-wise. The only further changes we should perhaps make to him would probably be related to where he plays, his currently-applicable contract terms, if we choose to retire him before the game does, or if we choose to extend his career at least long enough to allow him to play with at least one, if not all four, of his sons, at various times in his career. Once he's done as a player, in any case, though, we'll be entirely hands-off where he might coach and/or manage, if he gets to do either of those things, I think.

We can do the same things for any other player I propose as well, in the future, of course. No matter what category of player those players might be part of when proposed, you know. Also, I'd like you to look out for specific surnames in your IPA's history, so that if you see any of them, you can let me know. Because there will be connected people to the Freemans or the rivals in my dynasties who might use those surnames, for sure. I don't know what all those surnames are or will be yet, but if you see any of them, please let me know, or if there's a player you think might fit well in any of my dynasties, you can send me the relevant profile information, as well, if and when you like, jg2977. I'm always looking for interesting players, after all. Or for interesting team names, et cetera.

Thank you for your time and attention and all here, then, jg2977. And thank you for your kindness and honesty and fairness here, too, come to think of it. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Private message sent, jg2977. Please let me know privately if its contents are all right with you, and what you think of its contents and all. I will send another private message related to something else later, as well, just so you know. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

Look at post 2093 in this thread, just to refresh your memory here, please, jg2977. I'll try to have some matching caps done by the time the 1873 awards are done with being awarded and all, if at all possible here somehow. Thank you. CD out.

[Clovidequano Dovatha]

That's if HCF actually ends up starting on Denton City's Redbirds in 1874 for your IPA, you know. If he doesn't, then perhaps he can start on any other eligible team that meets the usual criteria, of course. Talk more later, as time permits and all, I'm sure, jg2977. CD out.

[jg2977]

That's fine, he can definitely start on the Denton City Redbirds. I'll be happy to put him into the game, but you wrote a lot, and I won't be thinking of all of those things that you mentioned. I'm keeping it very simple. I'll post HCF's stats after every season in this thread, after the yearly awards are given out.

Since my playoffs are shorter now, with only 8 teams instead of 16, it should take me only a week to complete each season, maybe even faster depending on how many games I'm able to get in. I usually play in the early morning while drinking my coffee, and after work I might get in 3 or 4 games as well depending on whether I'm up to it or not.