Gambo and T_Wil1 Photopack

[DeweyintheHall]

I always think it's important that groups of people use a common lexicon, so since there seems to be general agreement on what is a true unicorn I submit the following list of needs from 1978 which I believe to be true Unicorns (by which I mean no known image of any kind with the team mentioned):
Royals - Luis Silverio, Steve Foucault
A's - Scott Meyer
Twins - Stan Perzanowski
Phillies - Horacio Pina, Kerry Dineen
Pirates - Clarence Gaston
Cardinals - Rob Dressler
Astros - Joe Cannon
Padres - Mark Wiley

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

I always think it's important that groups of people use a common lexicon, so since there seems to be general agreement on what is a true unicorn I submit the following list of needs from 1978 which I believe to be true Unicorns (by which I mean no known image of any kind with the team mentioned):
Royals - Luis Silverio, Steve Foucault
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Here is Luis Silverio in a Royals uniform. This is a John Spear photo.

[Cusick]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

I always think it's important that groups of people use a common lexicon, so since there seems to be general agreement on what is a true unicorn I submit the following list of needs from 1978 which I believe to be true Unicorns (by which I mean no known image of any kind with the team mentioned):

A's - Scott Meyer

This photo shows Scott Meyer with the A's. This is a George Brace photo.

[Merkle923]

There is a Brace of Dineen with the Phillies, and a Dressler with the Cards, but they have gotten very litigious lately so I don't dare post them.

You can never say never, but Foucault/KC and Gaston/Pittsburgh are on a lot of these lists - I think they don't exist. Up there with Carbo/Pittsburgh in terms of limited windows.

I posed Perzanowski with the Twins in '78. I'll try to dig it up.

[Terry D]

Originally Posted by tnfoto

True, and that's the way I was leaning, but at least in theory it could be from 1985 or 1986, when Sinatro was in AAA and Andres Thomas wore 14 for the Braves.

I am checking the Hollander guides on Sinatro and Thomas. Matt is listed on the winter roster in the '81 book, but without any number assigned. He is not on the winter roster in the '85 book or in '86 either. Thomas appears in the '85 book with No. 62 assigned; in the '86 book Thomas has No. 14. Sinatro remained in the Atlanta organization until he was dumped in '86, but was he even invited to the spring major league camp after 1984?

[Merkle923]

Can't find the Perzanowski but I see this one on the list. Took it myself in 1978.

[keonleafs]

Originally Posted by pmac

"Am I crazy, or is this Urbano Lugo (Senior), a star pitcher in Venezuela in the '60s and '70s whose son of the same name pitched for the Angels in the late '80s?



Perhaps this is Manuel Lugo who was acquired along with Francisco Barrios from Jalisco 12/4/73

Great catch pmac!!

I think this is really Manuel Lugo. Here is a 1973 picture of Manuel from the cover of Spanish language BB mag "Hit". And here is the BB REF line on the 1973 ChiSox trade for both Lugo and Barrios.

"December 4, 1973

Traded Rudy Hernandez to Jalisco (Mexican). Received Manuel Lugo (minors) and Francisco Barrios.

[Merkle923]

Saw this on a request list a few pages back: Woodie Fryman with the '77 Reds.

There is to my knowledge one color photo of him, produced for MLB Productions for the annual series of slides it distributed to television stations from the mid '70s well into the '90s. I think I first saw it here on this board years ago and did my best to gussy it up a little bit. Then I had the opportunity to obtain the entire '77 slide set and I found the copy of the Fryman it contained wasn't quite as good - to say nothing of being produced in such a way that it cut off the tip of his cap.

I present them both here in case the first suffices, or somebody wants to take the second one and experiment on it in hopes of improving it.

[tnfoto]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

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I present them both here in case the first suffices, or somebody wants to take the second one and experiment on it in hopes of improving it.

Here's a quick touch-up, dropping the red level a bit.

[UKBaseballfan]

Initially I thought it was the 1938 Bees road uniform. On closer scrutiny I came down on the side of the 1937 Bees road uniform. The 1937 road uniform cap differs marginally from the 1938 road uniform cap. If you examine the trim on the 1937 cap the shape of the trimming is closer to a B whereas on the 1938 cap the trim is straighter. Attached are other examples of the 1937 uniform. So, yes, this would indicate the image is likely from 1938 Spring Training.

Players depicted :- Elbie Fletcher, Gil English, Vince DiMaggio, Jim Turner, Eddie Mayo

Originally Posted by baseball-birthdays.com

I recently purchased this photo of Joe (Joseph Patrick) Walsh from eBay seller fedexit... as you can see, the blurb on the reverse dates the image to spring training 1938, but I can't seem to find anything to indicate that the Bees/Braves ever wore this cap or jersey. I've seen other pics from this general time frame of other players in similar attire... can anyone shed light on this particular uniform, especially regarding what colors were featured? You can click the pics for larger views.

[UKBaseballfan]

Examples of the 1938 Bees road uniform. Note the straighter trim on the B from the 1937 cap.


Players depicted :- Elbie Fletcher, Rabbit Warstler, Johnny Cooney, Max West, Gene Moore

[Cusick]

A newspaper article on March 27, 1974 (Jacksonville Illinois Daily Journal) discussed a bunch of White Sox cuts out of spring training camp. Pitcher Manuel Lugo was among those sent to the Sox minor league camp. So this suggests that the Topps Vault photo was taken in spring training, 1974.

[hobbs11]

A question to this forum in lieu of all the fairy tale application of players without a hint of existence for a team, when we know by the record books they in fact did suit up.

My 'Usual Suspect' question is, do we know what exactly happened with Lerrin LaGrow and the Cardinals in 1976?

We know he was signed April 2 then poof, like Keyser Soze, he was non existent only to then appear in 8 games, starting two and all in September. Then he was traded in the Spring the following year to the ChiSox for Clay Carroll. I get that due to his unique season that there is nothing in B&W, color, or otherwise to be found in the usual engine searches. And he's not in the 1976 Cardinal Family Fun pack (nor is Vic Harris - but don't worry - we've got you covered Charlie Chant!). I can safely put him in whatever missing photo 'title' needed, but now my question is more around do we know if we was hurt for most of the year only to finally make into game much later in the year?

All the discussion around missing photos had me looking closer at the specific players in that season, so I became very curious. Thanks in advance!

[DeweyintheHall]

Originally Posted by hobbs11

A question to this forum in lieu of all the fairy tale application of players without a hint of existence for a team, when we know by the record books they in fact did suit up.

My 'Usual Suspect' question is, do we know what exactly happened with Lerrin LaGrow and the Cardinals in 1976?

We know he was signed April 2 then poof, like Keyser Sose, he was non existent only to then appear in 8 games, starting two and all in September. Then he was traded in the Spring the following year to the ChiSox for Clay Carroll. I get that due to this unique season that there is nothing in B&W, color, or otherwise to be found in the usual engine searches. And he's not in the 1976 Cardinal Family Fun pack (nor is Vic Harris - but don't worry - we've got you covered Charlie Chant!). I can safely put him in whatever missing photo 'title' needed, but now my question is more around do we know if we was hurt for most of the year only to finally make into game much later in the year?

All the discussion around missing photos had me looking closer at the specific players in that season, so I became very curious. Thanks in advance!

Mr. LaGrow spent the better part of the year at the Cards' AAA club in Tulsa. In 25 starts, he went 6-10, with a 4.14 era, and 108 ks in in 161 innings (per Baseball-Reference). Looks like he was a September call up once the American Association's season ended.

[hobbs11]

Originally Posted by DeweyintheHall

Mr. LaGrow spent the better part of the year at the Cards' AAA club in Tulsa. In 25 starts, he went 6-10, with a 4.14 era, and 108 ks in in 161 innings (per Baseball-Reference). Looks like he was a September call up once the American Association's season ended.

There you go. Mystery solved (I guess I should have never assumed that a vet like LaGrow wouldn't have had options to be sent down and should have clicked on his minors tab out on B-Ref)

Also explains why no industry photogs would be at Busch Stadium II in September to take pictures of him back in '76...... Thank you!

[rrb77]

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[Merkle923]

He's neither a white whale not a unicorn. There is a Brace photo of him taken at Wrigley in September, 1976. If the dispute between George's daughter and Argenta Images is ever resolved, you'll be able to buy a copy of it for $10.

A unicorn is a color posed shot of Dave Kingman with the Yankees during his three weeks with them in September '77.

[tnfoto]

The joe_mellana image in the Facepack and on Mellana's B-R.com page actually pictures career minor leaguer Frank Mellana, taken from Frank's 1928 Zeenut card. I have replaced it with this image from Joe's 1930 Zeenut card.

[hobbs11]

Originally Posted by Merkle923

He's neither a white whale not a unicorn. There is a Brace photo of him taken at Wrigley in September, 1976. If the dispute between George's daughter and Argenta Images is ever resolved, you'll be able to buy a copy of it for $10.

A unicorn is a color posed shot of Dave Kingman with the Yankees during his three weeks with them in September '77.

Thanks for the ray of hope.....

With your Kingman example as a point of clarification, then I will offer that a unicorn is also a color posed/or action shot of Tom Underwood with the Cardinals during his half season with them in '77. (perhaps I'm less concerned at what mythical classification they are, while simply hoping that someone proves me wrong. It seemed to work for Dewey's hard to finds...)