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Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: North Carolina
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I don't post here much, but I wanted to say that this is about my favorite dynasty. Hope to hear more soon.
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 6
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Liz, actually.
I just felt he had too many readers here to just leave behind. Still, I can understand his frustration with the Mods here and how they pick and choose who to apply the rules. I've told him about this thread and he has bet me even though there is clear violation of the additional posting guidelines by several OT members, none of them will repremanded. Based on what I've seen, he's probably right, but I still don't think he should have left his readers like this. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am
Posts: 3,251
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I'm sorry to hear he feels this way. I rarely check on that other site, but now I'll have to bookmark it.
He's done a great job with this dynasty and I'm glad he's going to continue it in some way. Maybe he'll change his mind. |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Spokane WA
Posts: 2,117
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Can someone post a URL for the thread on the other site?
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: OKC
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All Star Starter
Join Date: May 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,957
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just playin'. though, if you (or anyone that visits the other site) could articulate to seth how much he's missed here, i'd be eternally grateful. i understand he is unhappy with the way some things go down here, and i can't blame a guy for not wanting to spend his time somewhere he does not enjoy...but i also know how much seth does enjoy this place. i haven't been here and posting for all that long, so i'm not quite sure how to react when someone decides to move on from here. but somehow, knowing that seth is still continuing his "prologue", it doesn't feel right. this is the home for that sort of thing. maybe i have this improper sense of entitlement, but seth decided to share his experience and his wonderful writing with this community. to discontinue it because of the actions of a few folks, particularly ones who aren't even reading his dynasty -- some of whom i will admit that i also like, so perhaps that too is coloring my view -- it seems selfish. it is as though he is valuing their actions over those of myself and spudsy and goroyals and the rest of you gentlemen that have interacted with him. we are all selfish in our own ways. my post that you are reading is also very selfish. seth is doing so out of principle, i am doing so out of the enjoyment i get from interacting with him, particularly since i could conceivably just go on over to FOFC and sign up and say hello. eventually one of us will give in. but i will only do that when i believe that it is no longer worth trying to convince seth to come back to this community. at this time, i don't believe that at all. yes, i know, it is only text on a page -- but one could say the same thing to seth. no, there are people writing these words, and i, for one, miss the guy who has authored the prologue thread and so many others that i've enjoyed. my apologies for hijacking the thread and, as always, for my long-winded tendencies. |
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#231 |
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,634
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Well, it is a matter of principle Craig.
If, for example, you and I encouraged other members of Dynasty to go to Online Leagues to harass a board member we didn’t like, I think we would be punished for our actions. But if OT starts a thread encouraging people to go to Online Leagues to harass a board member they don’t like, it is accepted by the Mods. Or think of how many “Soon to be closed thread. . .” threads you’ve seen there—encouraging the members who go to OT to pile on and attack others. If I complain about what I feel is personal harassment by OT members, including attaching the bit from the forum posting rules highlighting what part of the rules are being violated—and the Mods do not warn (easy to tell if they do now), ban or even respond to me with, at the very least, a ‘we do not think this violates the standards of the forum’—I think that sends a clear message. Just ask this question: Are the same standards applied to everyone here? Is, for example, Jestor treated with the same level of tolerance by the Mods as say, (just to pull a name out) Davey Eckstein? Over at FOFC, a guy with over 14,000 post was given a two week vacation; his first according to the chatter about it. People there were upset—asked the Mods to change their minds about it—and the Mods responded with, “these are the rules/standards we have here, he violated them, end of story.” The Mods here clearly have two sets of standards, one for the OT regulars (even when they are outside OT) and the rest of us. I was hopeful the Additional Posting Guidelines would result in less of this ‘attack’ behavior, but after all the bluster, the Mods failed to back it up. Yes I know it is unpaid and you can only do so much, but if they are unwilling to back up their talk, maybe they should find someone who will. I don’t expect perfection—I do expect effort. Is it unfair to the people who follow Prologue? Mayhaps, but when does the line get drawn? Do we wait until the lack of civility shows up in Dynasty? Or do we have to wait until certain threads in Dynasty start becoming flame wars? I made the choice to voice my displeasure, the Mods made the choice to not listen or take any action. Will I ever come back; I hope so—I really hope that enough people decide that we should be able to click on a thread anywhere outside of OT and have a good idea that civility and manners will rule the day—and that the powers that be will act when anyone chooses to violate the standards they are suppose to enforce. |
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#232 |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am
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I think you are taking things out of context, Seth. The link you posted does not encourage anyone to harrass anyone. It's more like, "hey, have you seen this?". No one was advocating Cowboys behavior. In fact, the consensus is that he played it horribly. No one should be talking to new customers like that, and he was warned for it. I don't know why you think everyone else should be warned, as no one else did anything. Do pictures of trains upset you? It was an attempt to close the thread, so the mods would see it, see that it was just a waste of space, and deal with it. The offending parties were warned and dealt with. No one was wanting to harrass anyone. I'm sorry if it came out like that, because that was not what was intended.
If it concerns you, don't go to that part of the forum. Focus solely on the Dynasty part. That's all I was concerned with for quite a while. I gradually worked my way up to the other parts of the forum. There are some other posters that will remain nameless that I think should be dealt with in a better manner, but for the most part when an issue arises, the mods do a fairly fine job. It's too bad you feel that way and won't contribute, for the ones who want to read your writing. You've worked hard on it and we appreciate being able to read it. It's a fine work, Seth, and these little things shouldn't be getting to you. |
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#233 |
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All Star Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,634
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Vris
I appreciate and understand your difference on this; people see events through their own filters. You see this as OT coming to the defense of a newbie who has been insulted by Cowboy. I see 7 pages of OT piling on an individual—well after the Mods took action against him. Vigilantism is another form of lawlessness. And my opinion of these people, admittedly, is clouded by some hateful PM’s I have received from them for expressing the opinion that they need to be held to the same standards as the rest of us. Apparently since they are “what these boards are all about,” to quote one of the cowards, they feel they are entitled to certain privileges. I see their postings as thuggery and bullying because of how they have treated me. Think of it in these terms: would your thoughts on this behavior change if say instead of a thread in Online Leagues, these people started piling on an individual in “The Baseball Life of Pat O’Farrell?” Think about OT posting pics of train wrecks in that thread after a couple pages of aliases and OTers having a name calling contest? It isn’t the pics I find offensive, it is the fact it represents unchecked aggression on the part of a small group of posters. I miss being here—I still come over as a visitor. But I can’t take part in this board the way it is currently run, especially after being at FOFC and seeing how they run their board. And since Liz has taken upon herself to bring Prologue back here, against my wishes I might add, there really isn’t reason for me to be back. I just thought some explanation of my choice was the least I owed you. |
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#234 |
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Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am
Posts: 3,251
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I didn't say I condoned the actions. They did take it too far and it should have ended. And again, I feel bad that's the way you feel.
I've seen people pile on a newbie's dynasty. No, I don't like it. But the rest of those people were coming to his defense. One poster ruining it for everyone. Seems kind of odd, don't you think? Again, I apologize and will make an effort to visit that other site just to read Prologue. Your work doesn't go unappreciated. |
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#235 |
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 6
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1879-1880 Offseason
Originally posted by SelzShoes at FOFC
“Mr. Adams, good to see you.” William Frederick Adams was sick to his stomach to be away from Mr. Hamilton. The man he had served so loyally these many years now bed ridden and awaiting the final call of the reaper. Adams’ place was with the man whose family were the few loyal employees he could surround himself with, not downtown meeting with bank officials. The office, once the den of Mr. Hamilton had undergone extensive redecorating in the months of his advanced illness. Any trace of its former occupant, aside from the obligatory portrait of the Bank President, had been erased. The office was rigid and austere, reflecting the soul of the current occupant. Jonias Van Baar’s family was old money; coming over with the original Dutch settlers of New Amsterdam. The Panics of the late 1870’s had, humiliatingly, forced back to work to maintain the family fortune. Granted sitting on the board of directors of Brooklyn’s most prominent bank was not the worst of all possible worlds, but he was entitled to the life of leisure the Van Baar’s had become famous for. Still, his familial and social ties had made him a valued member of the Board of Directors in a very short time; so much so he was elevated to ‘Acting’ President’ over longer termed members, with the implicit understanding the ‘Acting’ would be removed after the inevitable occurred. Working was humiliating, but the opportunity to enhance the family name was worth the daily toil. “I am not a man to waste time,” Van Baar began, “so I shall tell you straight on: We have decided your services are no longer necessary.” “Pardon?” a sick chill filled Adams. “As you are in the employ of Great Brooklyn Bank and Trust in the role of personal secretary to a man who, to be perfectly honest, has no earthly need for one; the Board of Directors has decided to eliminate your position. You may pick up your final pay envelope at the front desk. If you have any personal belongings at Mr. Hamilton’s, please have them removed within the next twenty-four hours or you shall be arrested for trespassing.” “But . . .” “There is nothing to discuss, we have made our decision.” “Mr. Hamilton needs me.” “Nonsense, he needs a nurse—and as we have one taking care of him already, there is nothing you can do for him except take his money by sitting around and doing nothing all day. Now please, leave the premises before I have you escorted out. We shall notify you by post when he passes so you may pay your respects then.” Adams rose and begun to leave the office. Reaching the door, he turned, “What shall become of the Atlantics?” Van Baar momentarily looked puzzled, “Oh the Based Ballers—the Board seems to feel it would be a sound investment to hold on to the squad. A way of connecting with the rabble and such—though I doubt they have enough money to concern us if they squander it on such frivolities. Why do you ask?” “No reason.” |
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#236 |
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Bat Boy
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 6
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1879-1880 Offseason
Originally posted by SelzShoes at FOFC
“You certainly can not suggest ballplayers have the right to organize?” Young Kenneth Crow observed the shocked faces of gathered. His escort for the evening, the actress Madeline Dumas, gripped his hand tightly hoping to cause enough discomfort to silence the shining star of the box. The hurler stood firm, “I not only suggest it, but I insist on it.” The tuxedoed gentlemen rumbled over their port and cigars, more than one was heard to quip “too much time with Weisenburger.” They had come to bask in the glow of Chicago’s finest pitcher, not be lectured in the finer points of socialist doctrine. The evening, for them, had been ruined. “Organization is the sweeping the workers of America, why should ball player not be included?” ”Because, they are not workers,” Fletcher Stoddard forcefully intoned. He had seen his rail yards paralyzed several times by the influx of European Radicals. Men who sought not an honest day’s pay, but to agitate the hardest of his men into slothful dreams. Men who spend four or five months a year playing pitch and bat can not be considered workers. They are, for the most part, itinerant laborers who the Creator has blessed with strong arms and swift legs.” “Well, I must object to that characterization with some force dear sir,” Crow said with a tension relieving chuckle. “I hope to begin law school within a year hence, and want to change the prevailing view of my mates.” “From exploited to exploiter—the natural progression for the radical,” a wine soaked voice bellowed to the merriment of all. “Dear heart, tell them about the trip Mr. McCormick is planning for the coming fall,” Madeline was uncomfortable speaking of such politics to an audience as clearly adverse to such notions as unions and higher pay scales. “I hope to use my skills as a solicitor; if they be as grand as those I exhibit on the field, to form a brotherhood for the players. A collective to warrant some protections.” “And what could you possibly require protection from?” Stoddard queried. “A ball game is not required for everyday life. I can go to watch the park leagues or even a gathering of children—I do not have to go to Lake Front Park for my amusement.” “But you do go, since you desire the best ball playing for your amusement?” The gathered nodded. “We make tremendous profits for the owners of these clubs and receive very little back in terms of wages. The famed Nicolet of Brooklyn was summarily released because of an arm injury after hurling the Atlantics to two pennants; if he is able to find employ this upcoming season it will be at a greatly reduced wage . . .” “As it would be in any industry! When you are no longer able to do the job you are paid for, the owner should have the right to release you. It is sound business principle. I do not operate my rail yards for men to mill about and receive monies for nothing. I expect a hard day’s work for an honest wage. The hardest working men receive more; the slothful and incompetent are released. This is the nature of the business.” “I fear that is an unjust system; since the hardest working barely receive a living wage as it is. Higher wages for all would . . .” “Would damn this country to the upheaval and strife scurrying across Europe! Why should I guarantee a good wage to someone who will not work hard? Why should there be no incentive to reach for?” “There should be incentive; but the tendency is not to reward workers, but to punish them with unnatural ceilings on wages. That is what we have in the Empire. No matter how well I perform, I can earn no more than $2,000.00 in a season. Shouldn’t I or Frank Richardson be able to earn more if we are producing better than our fellows?” “If you ask me, $2,000.00 is far too much to play a game.” “Then we shall continue to disagree.” |
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