New HW Boxers Rated

[Hootowl 9]

I know he never fought as a Pro Boxer, but sholud have I think. I feel I'm in the ballpark on what his numbers may have been, more of a question than a statement I guess. Hope it's ok to post in this thread.

Name: Teofilo
Nickname: Stevenson
Country: Cuba
Weight class: HW
W-L-D, KOs:
Career:
BoxRec:
Born: 1952-03-29
Died:

Comments: I have added Stevenson to my TBCB game. Had he chosen to fight as a Pro I beleive
he may have been a very good HW and good for boxing. Mostly because of the political climate
at the time being the main reason not to turn Pro I guess. I actually have a printout of him
from a older game I based my numbers on, alot of reading & playtesting vs average to better
fighters in the game. Let me know if my numbers seem ok?

Teofilo Stevenson

At the 1976 Montreal Olympics, Cuban boxer Teofilo Stevenson turned down an offer of $5 million from American promoters to turn professional and fight the then world heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali. "What is $5million against five million Cubans who love me?" asked Stevenson. His predecessors, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and light heavyweight gold medallist Ali had all gone on to become professionals and won the world title.
Stevenson won the first of his record three Olympic golds in the heavyweight boxing event at Munich in 1972. None of his opponents completed three full rounds with him. Besides his superior boxing technique, he also towered over all of them at almost 2 m.
In 1976, Stevenson came into the Olympics with the Amateur World Heavyweight and the Pan-American Games titles under his belt. He scored two knock-outs in the preliminary rounds and in the final, stopped Romania's Mircea Simon in round three.
Stevenson was 29 years old when he took part in the Moscow Olympics and not at his best. Even so, he cruised smoothly to the final with two easy knock-outs and a points win over a Hungarian boxer, Istvan Levi in the semifinal. His opponent in the final was Russian Pyotr Zaev. At least 17 cm shorter than the Cuban, Zaev lost the bout 4-1 to Stevenson in a unanimous decision. To his credit, he was only the second boxer to finish three rounds in Stevenson's 11 Olympic bouts!



Jamaican-born Teófilo Stevenson was the first boxer to win the gold medal in the same division three times. Competing in what is now known as the super-heavyweight division, Stevenson began his Olympic career at the 1972 Munich Games. At the previous year's Pan American Games, Stevenson had been defeated by Duane Bobick of the United States. This time he met Bobick in the quarterfinals and stopped him in the third round. Stevenson's semifinal victim, Peter Hussing of Germany, said, "I have never been hit so hard in all my 212 bouts. You don't see his right hand. All of a sudden it is there - on your chin." Stevenson's opponent in the final forfeited because of a broken thumb. In 1976, Stevenson disposed of his first three opponents in a record 7 minutes and 22 seconds. In the final, Mircea Simion of Romania managed to make it to the third round before his handlers threw in the towel. In the semifinals of the 1980 Olympics, István Levai of Hungary ran around the ring for three rounds to become the first Olympic boxer to go the distance against Stevenson. By defeating Pyotr Zayev of the USSR in the final, Stevenson earned his third gold medal. As late as 1986, he proved that he was still the best amateur boxer by winning the world championship at the age of 36.


Stevenson represented his country in the 1972 Olympic Games of Munich. He won the Gold medal, and then in the 1976 games, held in Montreal, Stevenson repeated the feat. By then, he had become a national hero in Cuba, and was a household name in Cuba. This was the point where he was the closest to sign a professional contract, American fight promoters offering him the amount of five million dollars to challenge world Heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali in his first professional bout, which would have made him the second boxer to go straight from the Olympics into a professional debut with the world's Heavyweight crown on the line, after Pete Rademacher. But he refused, asking What's five million dollars worth, when I have the love of five million Cubans?. Stevenson went to the 1980 Olympics in Moscow and became the second boxer ever, after Papp, to win three Olympic boxing gold medals. At the 2000 Summer Olympics, Félix Savón, also from Cuba, became the third boxer to achieve this.

Stevenson might have won a fourth gold medal at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympic Games, but the Soviet Union boycotted the games in retaliation for the United States boycott of the 1980 Moscow competition. Cuba followed the Soviet's lead, and Stevenson was deprived of the chance to earn a fourth gold. He retired from boxing shortly after.

Stevenson was named coach of Cuba's amateur boxing program, and Cuban President Fidel Castro presented him with a mansion in an exclusive residential area, a practice that Castro is known for. In 1999, he ran into trouble at Miami International Airport when, before boarding a United Airlines chartered jet that would take the Cuban national boxing team home, he allegedly headbutted a 41 year old United ticket counter employee, causing him to break his teeth. He was arrested, but soon after, he was released and returned home.

When Stevenson refused to turn professional and fight Ali, the heavyweight scene was vibrant, with fighters of the calibre of Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, George Foreman and Joe Frazier competing. Stevenson would certainly have stirred up the professional boxing world, and fight fans continue to debate the possible outcomes had he fought in the halcyon days of heavyweight boxing.



Style/Fouls
x/x Either/Seldom

CFB/S x/x 9/10
HP x 8
CKD x 2
CKO x 2
REC x 2
CUTS x 2
AP x 2
KI x 8
AGG x 8
END x 8
DEF x 2
FSt x 1
ORo x 2
DrP x 6
CON x 1
INT x 7
PRF 10
FI x 2
FO x 2
CU x 1
GFK x 2
CLI xx 72
Punches:
J xx/x 13.50/4.25
H xx/x 12.50/5.50
CR xx/x 16.75/7.50
CB xx/x 12.50/5.50
UC xx/x 14.75/7.25
PL xx 42
CP xx 40
PM xx 64
Overall x 9

Creator: Fred

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's a rating I did up for Hubert Hilton whom I talked about a bit in Zech's last fight.

Hubert Hilton - 5 Overall Rating
Nationality- United States
b. 1939-08-18
d.
Career, 1963-69,78
BoxRec. 021295
Record 19 wins / 10 losses / 2 draws / 12 KO

Hilton fought from 1963 to 1969 compiling a 17-9-2(10KO) record when he then left the boxing scene for 9 years. He came back in January 1978 for 3 fights in 1978, winning the first 2 by KO and TKO but then he went up against Bob Stallings(24-27-0) and lost by KO in the 4th sending Hilton back into retirement for good.

Hilton's career started 13-1-2 through August of 1965. A couple of noteable fights in that span were an 8 round draw with Billy Daniels, a 10 round decision over Johnny Prescott and and a 5th round TKO of Jack Bodell. Sanwiched in there were two wins over Joe Shelton. This all added up to Hilton being ranked 8th in the Ring Magazines 1965 yearly HW rankings. A fast rise to say the least in this boxer's career.

With that high ranking came the opportunity to start meeting with some of the "elite" of the heavyweight boxing world. From Dec. 1965 thru March 1966 Hilton fought 3 straight fighters from the game, loosing a 10 round decision to Roberto Davila, a 2nd round TKO at the hands of Henry Cooper and an 8 round decision loss to Jimmy Ellis. After that let down, Hilton did manage to come back with straight victories over Mel Turnbow, Billy Joiner, Prentice Snipes and Santiago Alberto Lovell from Argentina who was 10-0 at the time and would go on to post a respectible 31-15-2.

After the Lovell victory though in early 1967 Hilton then fought in succession over the next year, Oscar Bonavena, Piero Tomasoni, Carl Gizzi and Mac Foster loosing all of them. He didn't fight for a year after a 5th round KO to Foster, when he came back in the ring in January 1969 against Ray Anderson, a LHW who was 16-1-0 and who would fashion a 35-19-5(20KO) record in his time. Anderson KO'd Hilton in the 3rd. With that Hubert hung up the gloves until his abbreviated comeback 9 years later.

I tested Hubert by fighting in the 14 fights with guys in the game and then random 14 bout sets with 1 rated HW's which would look to make up the majority of the rest of those bouts. I didn't consider those 3 fights in 1978.

Control vs Boxer--7
Control vs Slugger--6
Hitting power--6
Chin vs knockdown--3
Chin vs knockout--2
Recovery--3
Cuts--2
Absorb punishment--2
Killer instinct--7
Aggressiveness--6
Endurance--8
Defense--0
Fast starter--2
Fight on ropes--2

Draw power--5
Conditioning--2
Intellect--4
Proficiency--10

Fight inside--3
Outside--2
Cover up--1
Go for KO--2
Clinching--70

Style-- Slugger
Fouls--Seldom

Punches 2-pt. 3-pt.
Jabs 17.75 4.50
Hooks 24.00 5.50
Crosses 18.50 3.75
Combinations 9.25 1.75
Uppercuts 12.25 2.75

Punching--32
Counterpunching--34
Missed--64

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's a pic of Hubert Hilton

Rocco

[IceTea]

Originally posted by Hootowl 9


*** Great Bio of Stevenson........I wish someone would have knocked off Castro so he coulda turned pro.



I know he never fought as a Pro Boxer, but sholud have I think. I feel I'm in the ballpark on what his numbers may have been, more of a question than a statement I guess. Hope it's ok to post in this thread.

Name: Teofilo
Nickname: Stevenson
Country: Cuba
Weight class: HW
W-L-D, KOs:
Career:
BoxRec:
Born: 1952-03-29
Died:

Comments: I have added Stevenson to my TBCB game. Had he chosen to fight as a Pro I beleive
he may have been a very good HW and good for boxing. Mostly because of the political climate
at the time being the main reason not to turn Pro I guess. I actually have a printout of him
from a older game I based my numbers on, alot of reading & playtesting vs average to better
fighters in the game. Let me know if my numbers seem ok?

Teofilo Stevenson

At the 1976 Montreal Olympics, Cuban boxer Teofilo Stevenson turned down an offer of $5 million from American promoters to turn professional and fight the then world heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali. "What is $5million against five million Cubans who love me?" asked Stevenson. His predecessors, George Foreman, Joe Frazier and light heavyweight gold medallist Ali had all gone on to become professionals and won the world title.
Stevenson won the first of his record three Olympic golds in the heavyweight boxing event at Munich in 1972. None of his opponents completed three full rounds with him. Besides his superior boxing technique, he also towered over all of them at almost 2 m.
In 1976, Stevenson came into the Olympics with the Amateur World Heavyweight and the Pan-American Games titles under his belt. He scored two knock-outs in the preliminary rounds and in the final, stopped Romania's Mircea Simon in round three.
Stevenson was 29 years old when he took part in the Moscow Olympics and not at his best. Even so, he cruised smoothly to the final with two easy knock-outs and a points win over a Hungarian boxer, Istvan Levi in the semifinal. His opponent in the final was Russian Pyotr Zaev. At least 17 cm shorter than the Cuban, Zaev lost the bout 4-1 to Stevenson in a unanimous decision. To his credit, he was only the second boxer to finish three rounds in Stevenson's 11 Olympic bouts!



Jamaican-born Teófilo Stevenson was the first boxer to win the gold medal in the same division three times. Competing in what is now known as the super-heavyweight division, Stevenson began his Olympic career at the 1972 Munich Games. At the previous year's Pan American Games, Stevenson had been defeated by Duane Bobick of the United States. This time he met Bobick in the quarterfinals and stopped him in the third round. Stevenson's semifinal victim, Peter Hussing of Germany, said, "I have never been hit so hard in all my 212 bouts. You don't see his right hand. All of a sudden it is there - on your chin." Stevenson's opponent in the final forfeited because of a broken thumb. In 1976, Stevenson disposed of his first three opponents in a record 7 minutes and 22 seconds. In the final, Mircea Simion of Romania managed to make it to the third round before his handlers threw in the towel. In the semifinals of the 1980 Olympics, István Levai of Hungary ran around the ring for three rounds to become the first Olympic boxer to go the distance against Stevenson. By defeating Pyotr Zayev of the USSR in the final, Stevenson earned his third gold medal. As late as 1986, he proved that he was still the best amateur boxer by winning the world championship at the age of 36.


Stevenson represented his country in the 1972 Olympic Games of Munich. He won the Gold medal, and then in the 1976 games, held in Montreal, Stevenson repeated the feat. By then, he had become a national hero in Cuba, and was a household name in Cuba. This was the point where he was the closest to sign a professional contract, American fight promoters offering him the amount of five million dollars to challenge world Heavyweight champion Muhammad Ali in his first professional bout, which would have made him the second boxer to go straight from the Olympics into a professional debut with the world's Heavyweight crown on the line, after Pete Rademacher. But he refused, asking What's five million dollars worth, when I have the love of five million Cubans?. Stevenson went to the 1980 Olympics in Moscow and became the second boxer ever, after Papp, to win three Olympic boxing gold medals. At the 2000 Summer Olympics, Félix Savón, also from Cuba, became the third boxer to achieve this.

Stevenson might have won a fourth gold medal at the 1984 Los Angeles Olympic Games, but the Soviet Union boycotted the games in retaliation for the United States boycott of the 1980 Moscow competition. Cuba followed the Soviet's lead, and Stevenson was deprived of the chance to earn a fourth gold. He retired from boxing shortly after.

Stevenson was named coach of Cuba's amateur boxing program, and Cuban President Fidel Castro presented him with a mansion in an exclusive residential area, a practice that Castro is known for. In 1999, he ran into trouble at Miami International Airport when, before boarding a United Airlines chartered jet that would take the Cuban national boxing team home, he allegedly headbutted a 41 year old United ticket counter employee, causing him to break his teeth. He was arrested, but soon after, he was released and returned home.

When Stevenson refused to turn professional and fight Ali, the heavyweight scene was vibrant, with fighters of the calibre of Ken Norton, Larry Holmes, George Foreman and Joe Frazier competing. Stevenson would certainly have stirred up the professional boxing world, and fight fans continue to debate the possible outcomes had he fought in the halcyon days of heavyweight boxing.



Style/Fouls
x/x Either/Seldom

CFB/S x/x 9/10
HP x 8
CKD x 2
CKO x 2
REC x 2
CUTS x 2
AP x 2
KI x 8
AGG x 8
END x 8
DEF x 2
FSt x 1
ORo x 2
DrP x 6
CON x 1
INT x 7
PRF 10
FI x 2
FO x 2
CU x 1
GFK x 2
CLI xx 72
Punches:
J xx/x 13.50/4.25
H xx/x 12.50/5.50
CR xx/x 16.75/7.50
CB xx/x 12.50/5.50
UC xx/x 14.75/7.25
PL xx 42
CP xx 40
PM xx 64
Overall x 9

Creator: Fred

[Gunsmoke]

Hi Guys,

It's time for Norton's fifth opponent, however before I do I have to thank Fred for the ratings for Stevenson and the fantastic profile. I would love to give ratings for some of the amateur champs that never had or had short pro careers such as Savon and Sanders (though I think his career was shortened by a ring death if I'm not mistaken??). Anyway onto the main event....

Norton's Fifth Fight - 1968-07-23

Wayne Kindred 5-5-0 (2)

Another Californian Heavyweight, Kindred failed to attain any level of success never having a Californian title fight. As far as fighting other fighters in the game he would fight fellow Norton opponent Cornell Nolan in his second fight loosing by a KO in the third round. He would meet Zora Folley in the fight prior to Norton and would be laid out in the eighth. After his two fights with Norton he would face Jose Luis Garcia and would loose via a TKO in the second (he was in his Post-Prime in the fight).

Kindred fights Norton twice in consecutive fight's for Kindred with a year in between. Kindred would be stopped in the two fights. In the first meeting he would be KO'd in the sixth, while in the second it was a TKO loss in the ninth.

Kindred's Fights:

1970-08-20 Jose Luis Garcia 13-2-1 L TKO 2
1969-02-20 Ken Norton 7-0-0 L TKO 9
1968-07-23 Ken Norton 4-0-0 L KO 6
1967-09-19 Zora Folley 74-8-4 L KO 8
1967-07-27 Dave Centi 11-12-0 W PTS 10
1967-06-09 Wendell Newton 12-7-3 W PTS 6
1967-04-06 Matt Blow 5-1-0 W PTS 10
1967-02-17 Don Koontz 10-3-0 W KO 10
1966-11-21 Cornell Nolan 1-0-0 L KO 3
1966-10-20 L J Wheeler 2-1-0 W KO 6

The Ratings

Wayne Kindred
United States, 0-0-0

First Name Wayne
Last Name Kindred
Nickname
Group Men
Sex Male
Era Retired
Division HW - Heavyweight
Southpaw No
Nationality United States
Career Stage Prime
Career Start 1966
Career End 1970
Trainer Generic Offense
Cut Man Generic Cut Man



Ratings

Control vs Boxer 5
Control vs Slugger 5
Hitting Power 3
Chin vs Knockdown 4
Chin vs Knockout 5
Recovery 3
Resistance to Cuts 2
Absorb Punishment 3
Killer Instinct 3
Aggressiveness 4
Endurance 8
Defense 2
Fast Starter 2
Fight on Ropes 2

Draw Power 1
Conditioning 2
Intellect 3
Proficiency 10
Fight Inside 1
Fight Outside 2
Cover Up 2
Go for Knockout 1
Clinching 62
Ring Movement 0
Style Boxer
Fouls Seldom
Punches % 2 Pt. 3 Pt.
Jabs 22.50 3.50
Hooks 15.25 2.25
Crosses 17.25 0.25
Combinations 20.75 0.25
Uppercuts 15.25 2.75

Punching 36
Counterpunching 34
Punches Missed 64
Overall Rating 1



Biography

boxrec.com ID 015776

Enjoy,
Mark

[jabbo]

Thanks for Hilton! Was on my "need" list.

Bob

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Welcome Bob!

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Here's another one from the HW's I'm working on that fought in various international title fights...

Wilson Kohlbrecher - 1 Overall Rating
Nationality- Germany
b. 1918-11-09
d. 1972-09-01
Career, 1947-54
BoxRec. 021295
Record 15 wins / 11 losses / 5 draws / 8 KO

Kohlbrecher would appear to have had a decent punch but also a somewhat weak chin.

Kohlbrecher's career started out fighting some pretty big hitting German fighters of the 40's. His initial bouts were against LHW's Jean Kreitz(61-10-3,35KO) and Ricard Vogt(54-8-9,34KO). He Ko'd Kreitz then lost a 10 round decision to Vogt. He drew another fight with Vogt, lost a couple bouts to former German HW Champ Walter Neusel and then was TKO'd in 7 by Gene (Tiger) JOnes(46-13-2,28KO) to lead up to a bout with Hein ten Hoff for the German HW Title in July 1950. ten Hoff Ko'd Wilson in the 2nd round.

His fights over the next couple of years included wins over Al Hoosman, Stephane Olek, and Vogt. He lost bouts to Tiger Jones, Karel Sys, and Omelio Agramonte. In November 1952 he went into the ring against Heinz Neuhaus for the European HW Title. Wilson was no match for Neuhaus as he was KO'd in the 4th.

After that Kohlbrecher's career was pretty much finished.

I play tested Kohlbrecher against 1-4 fighters.

[vistaman44]

Rocco;
Thanks for Kohlbrecher! I have rated Kreitz, Vogt, Neusel, Jones and Adolf Witt for my 1940-50 universe, and plan to do Hoosman at some point. If you want any of those, let me know.

[LeeSkye]

I have rated Kreitz, Vogt, Neusel, Jones and Adolf Witt for my 1940-50 universe

vistaman44,

I would sure appreciate these guys. I am working on a 20s-30s universe and started to look at some guys in the 30s who boxed against "Der Blonde Tiger" Walter Nesuel [1930 - 1950] and it would sure help in giving me a starting point for a number. Richard Vogt [1938-1952], Jean Kreitz [1937 - 1950] are two others I had listed for the tail end but I'm not sure of the careers for Jones or Witt. Thanks.

[vistaman44]

Lee;
I'll try to post those guys tonight.

[vistaman44]

Skye;

Per your request, here are my rankings of German fighters Jean Kreitz, Walter Neusel, Richard Vogt and Adolf Witt, plus Gene "Tiger" Jones of the USA and Belgian world title claimant Heinz Lazek ... a sixpack of heavies and light-heavies from the 1930-50 time frame. Enjoy!



P.S.: You may have to delete records on a few. Sorry.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Heavyweights who fought in International Titles
Here's another one from the HW's I'm working on that fought in various international title fights...

Kurt Schiegl - 2 Overall Rating
Nationality- Austria
b.
d.
Career, 1946-56
BoxRec. 034768
Record 18 wins / 12 losses / 1 draws / 10 KO

Career started out with a loss and a win against Jo Weidin who was going into his 2nd and 3rd career bouts. AFter a 4-2 start, Schiegl fought Hein Wiesner(0-1-2) for the Austrian HW Title. Kurt lost a 12 round decision. Nothing a whole lot noteworthing the next couple years. He did KO in 7 Carl Nielsen and drew for 10 rounds with Wilson Kohlbrecher. In August 1951 Kurt squared off against Wiesner again, now a blistering 3-2-2, for the Austrian Title. This time Schiegl stood victorious with a 12 round decision.

That was the 2nd win in a 10-1-0 run up through July 1954 that included wins over Bobby Warmbrunn, Heinz Seelisch(17-11-9), and Werner Wiegand(24-5-5). In October of 1954 he fought Neinz Neuhaus for the European Heavyweight Title. Neuhaus KO'd Schiegl in the 3rd. In his next bout he fought a young Ingemar Johansson(7-0-0 then), Ingemar KO'd Kurt in the 5th.

Only a couple other noteworthy fights after that, both losses. A 10 round decision loss to Franco Cavicchi and a 1st round TKO to Dick Richardson in Schiegl's last career fight.

I play tested Kurt against 1-5 rated fighters. That may be a bit high going with 5's maybe even 4's in the random mix of fights scheduled. I was kind of iffy on that looking at his opponents. With that mix if fighters though I was getting average around 16 wins/12 Losses/9.5KO's and 7.5 times him stopped for 31 fight sets. Kurt was stopped 8 times in his career.

Enjoy...
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Mark,

Thanks for sharing Neusel, Vogt and the others!

Rocco

[swampdragon]

Thanks to both of you. I'm over 3900 fighters now.

[vistaman44]

Rocco;
Thanks for Schiegl. He also will jump right into my 1940s universe.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Well I decided what my next replay is going to be once I finish up with Gerhard(whom I got to get back into the ring here soon!).

I think Zora Folley would be a real interesting fighter to replay his career. This guy fought in 96 bouts according to BoxRec. His career of who he fought is a virtual Who's Who of the 50's and 60's HW and LHW boxing scene.

Johnny Summerlin
Young Jack Johnson
Nino Valdes
Wayne Bathea
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Joe Bygraves
Alex Miteff
Willi Besmanoff
Sonny Liston
Alejandro Lavorante
Sonny Moore
Mike DeJohn
Bob Cleroux
Doug Jones
Ernie Terrell
Billy Daniels
George Chuvalo
Karl Mildenberger
Gerhard Zech
Oscar Bonavena
Bob Foster
Jefferson Davis
Muhammad Ali
Brian London
Mac Foster

Just to list the most recognizable names. There's a number of "fringe" HW's he fought that I think would make interesting additions to rate like I'm doing with Gerhard. Someone on the boards here mentioned if you look at these fighter in a sort of family tree fashion, this guy fought this guy and then that guy fought this guy and so on, Folley with all his opponents really starts reaching you into the HW/LHW's of this time period.

Zora Folley, yep I think he and I will dance together in the ring here in the near future. Should make for a fun replay just boxing all those "name" HW's of the period he went up against.

Got to get Zech done!

[vistaman44]

I've always thought Folley was an interesting guy. Judging by your list, he fought a lot of guys who are already in the game, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes and who there is to add. Looking forward to it, once the Zech saga is complete!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Hey Mark,

I ran across this HW looking up something else.

Jimmy Carollo 1942-50 36-21-2-9KO BoxRec. 024440

Somebody that might interest you for your 40's universe if you'd not run across him before.

Rocco

[mking55]

Originally posted by Rocco Del Sesto
I think Zora Folley would be a real interesting fighter to replay his career. This guy fought in 96 bouts according to BoxRec. His career of who he fought is a virtual Who's Who of the 50's and 60's HW and LHW boxing scene.

"George Chuvalo"

A most excellent choice. And a George Chuvalo fight as a bonus. Who could ask for anything more? I look forward to it.