Out of the Park Baseball 15 Announced!

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

I don't need to explain my "fascination" for independent leagues to a complete stranger. Playing stats only is niche from my perspective, so obviously we prefer different things. You can finagle and cater OOTP universes to do a multitude of things, and in theory utilizing independent leagues is possible, but horribly flawed.

Stats Only is totally niche. And you know what? Markus doesn't support it and has ignored requests that would make it easier. Sound familiar?

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

Independent leagues are significant (especially historically) because they're a conduit for diamond-in-the-rough players; and there are more then a few "feel good" stories about players making it to The Show from the bush leagues.

You can do this with independent league free agents now. What's the point of actually having the leagues?

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

I've had intermittent personal conversations with Markus throughout the years regarding indie leagues, and every time the dude really has no frame of reference or context as to what I'm discussing.

He made a league-based game and you want something else entirely that a great majority of players would never use. As one of the Stats Only guys I am in the same boat - he made a ratings-based game and we want something else entirely that a great a majority of players would never use.

And the name of that boat is Niche.

[Carlton]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Can someone please explain the fascination with independent leagues in an MLB game? I really don't see the appeal. Please help me get it.

For Historical simmers

PCL is #1
and early days of AA, A, B classifications
where they could sell players to MLB

I can only imagine a world where Walter Johnson is dominating in Iowa for an independent team and MLB teams are clamoring to get him

And you may call it NICHE, but the fact is...that is a myopic view that kills games

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

Niche isn't exactly defined as "something other than The Wolf does" or even "something that less than 51% of people do"

Not funny. I do niche myself.

In business, you're going niche when you are focusing your efforts on a small and minor segment of the market.

There are a number of niches in OOTP - Stats Only, historical minor leagues, and mass independent leagues/rich tapestry/sandbox/whatever.

None of us are being catered to by Markus.

[Lukas Berger]

This whole game, heck the whole genre, is niche for that matter.

[Dr. P.R. Park III]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

And the name of that boat is Niche.

Keep howlin' Wolf and keep walking. It's like talking to George Costanza. When you're at Wal-Mart and you see someone purchasing toilet paper, do you ask what's their fascination with that toilet paper? Do you want an in-depth analysis as to why they prefer it? Get on your boat and sail away.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Carlton

For Historical simmers

PCL is #1
and early days of AA, A, B classifications
where they could sell players to MLB

I can only imagine a world where Walter Johnson is dominating in Iowa for an independent team and MLB teams are clamoring to get him

And you may call it NICHE, but the fact is...that is a myopic view that kills games

Niche. Zero appeal to the fantasy players (who may well be a majority), to all of the current MLB league players (who are at least a lot) and all of the historical gamers who play standard MLB setups (the great majority).

[Walsh06]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Got it. You don't want a league, you want a rich tapestry of leagues. Instead of a game of OOTP with one major league, you want the equivalent of multiple copies of OOTP running simultaneously.

You do realize what something that expansive is going to do to your processing time? And how little you will be able to focus on any of the leagues or teams?

Again, as with the minor league thread, I have to ask with absolutely no offense intended: you do realize what a niche request this is, right?

I also understand why Markus hasn't pursued this much.

Im already doing it. One of the my main games consists of 4 major Leagues, 3 independent leagues and 2 junior leagues. Each major league has one level of minors and high school and college feeders. Considering all my games are fictional I much prefer the universe than a single league.
I played 8 years with Wolfsburg and then was able to leave and go to a whole new part of the world with new stars and some old who had been traded, with all different records and its own history. Thats where the appeal is.

ps learn to talk to people in a normal manner. It really helps.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

Keep howlin' Wolf and keep walking. It's like talking to George Costanza. When you're at Wal-Mart and you see someone purchasing toilet paper, do you ask what's their fascination with that toilet paper? Do you want an in-depth analysis as to why they prefer it? Get on your boat and sail away.

You just don't get it, do you? You don't understand why Markus has responded the way he has, do you? All you can see is what you want.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Walsh06

ps learn to talk to people in a normal manner. It really helps.

Try not to insult others who may be from a different culture than your own. It helps.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

There are a number of niches in OOTP - Stats Only, historical minor leagues, and mass independent leagues/rich tapestry/sandbox/whatever.

None of us are being catered to by Markus.

Originally Posted by The Wolf

You just don't get it, do you? You don't understand why Markus has responded the way he has, do you?

I suspect you would've said the exact same thing about international leagues before the announcement that they'd be in 15. Or any number of other improvements to OOTP over the years.

Today's "niche" request is tomorrows back of the box headline feature. A lot of requests are only niche just because the game doesn't include them yet, so folks don't realize how great they'd be.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

Keep howlin' Wolf and keep walking. It's like talking to George Costanza. When you're at Wal-Mart and you see someone purchasing toilet paper, do you ask what's their fascination with that toilet paper? Do you want an in-depth analysis as to why they prefer it? Get on your boat and sail away.

Here's my major problem with this board. Perceived opposition to someone's favorite idea is consistently responded to with childish insults.

[Walsh06]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Try not to insult others who may be from a different culture than your own. It helps.

its ok, I dont do that and didnt there.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by lukasberger

I suspect you would've said the exact same thing about international leagues before the announcement that they'd be in 15. Or any number of other improvements to OOTP over the years.

Nonsense. I have lobbied for many of the changes that have been made over the years.

Why can't you recognize the limited demand that exists for this idea?

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Walsh06

ps learn to talk to people in a normal manner. It really helps.

Originally Posted by Walsh06

its ok, I dont do that and didnt there.

Yes, you did.

[Walsh06]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yes, you did.

point out the insult. I see friendly advice but no insult.

[Carlton]

American tax refund discount

Yes, I will probably be suckered because

1) I want to be a draft prospect...I failed in the minors IRL, I can have a second chance

2) Widescreen resolution -been here since the beginning, think of 10+ years of little sleep thinking I finally perfected historical sims, right down to the league logos and now realize how bad my eyes are

3) Enhanced player history/Retired uniform numbers, why? No idea why I think it's worth $35 but IT IS

4) Offer jobs to employed coaches...and maybe that shows up in their history or at least fixes the Interim manager gets the fired managers record as well

and why is STEAM important? I mean, does it lower the need for me to have hard drive space? Is it for online leagues so that managers can go H2H?

I know Age of Empire HD version is on there and so is The Walking Dead game (Clementine!) but I thought it was just an online type GameStop

BTW, can you tell I AM OLD?

Anyway, I'd like to thank Markus for not deleting some aspects of the game, just to add them back in later as a new feature...coughEAcough

[The Wolf]

In order to discourage the next round of attacks from people whose automatic response to a logical counterargument is personal insults, I am going to withdraw from this topic for a while.

You are making a niche request, though. Turn off your anger and think it through.

[Lukas Berger]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Nonsense. I have lobbied for many of the changes that have been made over the years.

I'm certain that's true. But no doubt you've also dismissed many as being "niche".

Are you seriously telling me that we wouldn't have been having this exact same discussion about international leagues had they not been included in 15 and someone had brought them up? They fit in just as poorly as indy leagues do with your stricture that "Most people run one league and minors".

Originally Posted by The Wolf

Why can't you recognize the limited demand that exists for this idea?

Because the demand isn't all that limited. Heck this thread is practically overrun with folks talking about how much they'd like OOTP to better handle indy leagues. I really think there's far, far more demand for this than you realize.

[Walsh06]

Originally Posted by The Wolf

In order to discourage the next round of attacks from people whose automatic response to a logical counterargument is personal insults, I am going to withdraw from this topic for a while.

You are making a niche request, though. Turn off your anger and think it through.

nicely avoided admitting being wrong

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Walsh06

point out the insult. I see friendly advice but no insult.

"learn to talk to people in a normal manner" = "you talk funny"

And bye.