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injury log · 04-27-2012, 01:55 AM

Myers would be a tough judgment call, because if you make him capable of starting games, the AI will use him as a starter for sure (especially considering the alternatives on the Astros roster). I think the best solution is probably to rate him so that he's a 'borderline starter', but even then the AI probably won't use him as a closer. So I imagine he's rated as he is so that he'll occupy the role he has in real life, despite his history. If anyone doesn't want that, they can pretty easily edit his Stamina upwards.

bmm8374 · 04-27-2012, 03:22 AM

It seems like the Myers thing and other scenarios like it really come down to what the roster set builders are trying to accomplish. Is the goal to create a roster set that will most resemble real-life roster management in 2012 or is the goal to set up a roster set that most resembles the real-life abilities and attributes of the individual players and allows human/AI GMs to make decisions accordingly?

I would argue that if the goal is closer to the latter, the Myers stamina rating is more of an issue because taking away his ability to be a SP does not reflect his actual abilities.

Hypothetically, what if Bud Norris or Wandy Rodriguez comes up needing Tommy John surgery in mid-May? Does management risk calling up a prospect like Jordan Lyles before he's ready or do they decide that Myers is useless as a closer if they can't get him save chances and stretch him back out into a starter? If you're the Astros management, wouldn't you like having that option?

CubbyFan23 · 04-27-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bmm8374

It seems like the Myers thing and other scenarios like it really come down to what the roster set builders are trying to accomplish. Is the goal to create a roster set that will most resemble real-life roster management in 2012 or is the goal to set up a roster set that most resembles the real-life abilities and attributes of the individual players and allows human/AI GMs to make decisions accordingly?

I would argue that if the goal is closer to the latter, the Myers stamina rating is more of an issue because taking away his ability to be a SP does not reflect his actual abilities.

Hypothetically, what if Bud Norris or Wandy Rodriguez comes up needing Tommy John surgery in mid-May? Does management risk calling up a prospect like Jordan Lyles before he's ready or do they decide that Myers is useless as a closer if they can't get him save chances and stretch him back out into a starter? If you're the Astros management, wouldn't you like having that option?

Honestly, I think our primary goal is for the AI to simulate what the real team will do in real-life. And the good news is, the Astros are the only real organization who did something like this in 2012, so if you want Myers to start, just edit his stamina!

There are quite a few guys in the set who probably -could- start in a pinch if need be, but we edited to have low stamina because it makes the roster set player usage more realistic to real life.

Johnny93g · 04-27-2012, 12:52 PM

Two quick things

Ricky Romero

Ya, I made a fuss about him back on page 1 and 2, but i still think he's criminally underrated in this roster set. He is a legit ace. I'm not gonna get into a thing with him, but take another look at his results, and compare that to other pitchers rated ahead of him. He should be higher.

2nd, Drew Hutchinson of the Blue Jays

I'm not sure how you rate a guy like this. He's young, just 21, and he's pitching in the majors right now. Only 2 starts, and 10 or 11 innings, but he's done fine. Anyway, he's rated for a guy in single A, which was fine, but is he someone that needs a boost in current and future now that he's in the show?

In game, right now, I don't think he'd last a game pitching in the majors.

Johnny93g · 04-27-2012, 12:58 PM

double post

t-bone shuffle · 04-27-2012, 01:05 PM

Thanks for all the reply's guys. I had not considered the AI and it's likely desire to move Myers back into an SP role if his stamina would allow.

And really, it's my belief that the Astros motivation here has more to do with maintaining some level of value for Myers than anything else. I mean, when's the last time a really bad team paid $11M for a closer? Complete nonsense. Hide him in the closer role for as long as possible and sooner or later someone's going to need an experienced starter. With no evidence to the contrary (Myers having been in the bullpen), some team will eventually bite on him.

Thanks again for the insight.

CubbyFan23 · 04-27-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

Two quick things

Ricky Romero

Ya, I made a fuss about him back on page 1 and 2, but i still think he's criminally underrated in this roster set. He is a legit ace. I'm not gonna get into a thing with him, but take another look at his results, and compare that to other pitchers rated ahead of him. He should be higher.

2nd, Drew Hutchinson of the Blue Jays

I'm not sure how you rate a guy like this. He's young, just 21, and he's pitching in the majors right now. Only 2 starts, and 10 or 11 innings, but he's done fine. Anyway, he's rated for a guy in single A, which was fine, but is he someone that needs a boost in current and future now that he's in the show?

In game, right now, I don't think he'd last a game pitching in the majors.

I will still disagree on Romero.

re: Hutchinson, I'm not sure either... really don't want to take a small sample size in 2012 into account, but we're planning on doing some mid-season adjustments on a late roster set and that could be something that is taken into account then.

bmm8374 · 04-27-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Honestly, I think our primary goal is for the AI to simulate what the real team will do in real-life. And the good news is, the Astros are the only real organization who did something like this in 2012, so if you want Myers to start, just edit his stamina!

There are quite a few guys in the set who probably -could- start in a pinch if need be, but we edited to have low stamina because it makes the roster set player usage more realistic to real life.

Thanks. I think having a better understanding of your goals helps posters like me provide more useful feedback. Obviously, the way you have Myers's stamina rating set up matches your objective. I imagine that it's impossible to put together one of these roster sets without making quite a few judgment calls along the way.

The Living Bubba · 04-27-2012, 02:38 PM

I love the adjustments you guys have made to the 2012 roster set in this update. I think we still disagree on Sean Coyle (whom I think is underrated), Ryan Dent (whom I think is overrated), and Ryan Lavarnway (whom I think is smart), but I really appreciate the way you've incorporated user feedback into these ratings. Outstanding work!

haveband · 04-27-2012, 03:19 PM

Hey guys,

One of the biggest thing I wanted to incorporate into this release was a really big issue. In the initial launch roster, the minor leagues were not properly set as most teams did not release their 25 man OD rosters and injury lists. With this newest release, I was able to go through and DL all the players that began the season on the DL which honestly was about 350 to 400 as well as having to release probably about the same number of players. I also set each minor with official OD rosters and began re-rating some players current ratings so that the AI would keep them at their actual real life levels. Now granted this is a long process and I did not get that portion done. Working on it now. So if you look at the actual OD rosters that came with the game and the most recent ones, you will notice a ton of changes. Again, though players are demoted/promoted/released every single day as you well know. What my ultimate goal is to at the very least get these in their appropriate levels as of OD. As well as hopefully getting up to the top 150 to 200 players for the June draft in there (that may not happen).

Now, Cubby mentioned a mid season release. Now, my basic goal for this will actually be completed rosters as of say August 1st, right after the July trade deadline and having EVERY single drafted/signed player from the June draft as well as the NDFA (non-drafted free agents) in that release for you guys to draft onto your rosters. Yes it sounds like a lot but it really is not as bad as you all may think. I did this with last years set as well. Plus for whatever reason July is always a super slow month for me except for the middle of the month where I can be found at some comic studio booth at San Diego ComicCon, promoting my comics (be there this year too)

That mid season release will also have up to the minute minor league rosters for all levels except for SS and rookie ball since those rosters dont get set until June and of course feature mainly guys picked in the most recent draft, those rosters will be filled with active players on the rosters. The guys you draft in the June draft, you can obviously assign there.

Of course between now and then I will still be looking at errors you all find, I am having someone fix height/weight/uniform numbers for me because I am anal retentive and it bothers me if it's not correct.

So if you guys find assignments that are off, trust me, I already know about them and am working through them. As well as the few "unrated" guys left (remember when there used to be several hundred of these), I have a full list of the ones left so again, you guys do not have to waste your time finding them all... I'll get to them.

If you guys see anything specific you want me or one of the other guys to really look into, PM me. As you guys may have noticed I do not come in here too much.

Back to work,
HB

SunDevil · 04-27-2012, 04:04 PM

MLB quickstart still does not have a city defined for Tampa Bay, which I remember was mentioned when this game was released.

CubbyFan23 · 04-27-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SunDevil

MLB quickstart still does not have a city defined for Tampa Bay, which I remember was mentioned when this game was released.

We cannot edit this in the editor unfortunately, it has to be edited in-game by Markus & co. to be fixed in a future patch. I'll send a note to him. Pretty easy to fix in-game when you start.

SunDevil · 04-27-2012, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

We cannot edit this in the editor unfortunately, it has to be edited in-game by Markus & co. to be fixed in a future patch. I'll send a note to him. Pretty easy to fix in-game when you start.

Thank you. And you are right, but just annoying.

Thanks for your effort and the rest of the team's effort, you guys are doing a great job.

BusterKing · 04-27-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

I will still disagree on Romero.

re: Hutchinson, I'm not sure either... really don't want to take a small sample size in 2012 into account, but we're planning on doing some mid-season adjustments on a late roster set and that could be something that is taken into account then.

Yes, Romero needs better ratings.

But as a Canadian team, I'm used to the Jays getting the short end of the stick. Watch their games and the way the umps are calling the pitches, always brutal calls for the Jays pitchers. It's almost like a conspiracy to make sure that Canada never gets to the World Series again. They got there twice and won, not good for the US and their important TV ratings and sponsors.

CubbyFan23 · 04-27-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Yes, Romero needs better ratings.

But as a Canadian team, I'm used to the Jays getting the short end of the stick. Watch their games and the way the umps are calling the pitches, always brutal calls for the Jays pitchers. It's almost like a conspiracy to make sure that Canada never gets to the World Series again. They got there twice and won, not good for the US and their important TV ratings and sponsors.

Ha - I promise that we based Romero's ratings upon statistical projection systems. Although perhaps FanGraphs and ZiPS have a bias against Canada.

jbergey22 · 04-27-2012, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mgom27

Cliff Lee is on the Injured List.Bryd is know on the Red Sox's and so on but you might not want to keep Rosters up to date and if Stats were up to date so would Standings to.

This never gets old, lol...

jbergey22 · 04-27-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

I will still disagree on Romero.

re: Hutchinson, I'm not sure either... really don't want to take a small sample size in 2012 into account, but we're planning on doing some mid-season adjustments on a late roster set and that could be something that is taken into account then.

I think you are fine on Hutchinson for now...

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The right-hander has above-average control for his age and he mixes his pitches well. Hutchison can reach 93-94 mph with his four-seam fastball but he tends to work with a two-seamer in the 89-91 mph range with good movement. His second best pitch is a changeup and it’s a potential strikeout pitch. The third weapon is a slider, which remains inconsistent.
Hutchison likely needs more minor league seasoning. He’s been good – but not dominant – at double-A this year and has just six starts above A-ball. He’s known for having solid makeup and a tough demeanor so he should be able to handle the stress of the sudden call-up. Hutchison will make his big league debut on Saturday against the Kansas City Royals and may be up for just one start before being sent back to double-A. With Toronto in the midst of a 20-game stretch without a break, though, Hutchison could stick around.

jbergey22 · 04-27-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterKing

Yes, Romero needs better ratings.

But as a Canadian team, I'm used to the Jays getting the short end of the stick. Watch their games and the way the umps are calling the pitches, always brutal calls for the Jays pitchers. It's almost like a conspiracy to make sure that Canada never gets to the World Series again. They got there twice and won, not good for the US and their important TV ratings and sponsors.

Is this because he is 3-0 this year or why do you feel this way? He had a 2.92 era last year however his xFIP was 3.80(which is the best indicator of future performance.) This year his xFIP is 3.63 so it seems Cubby's has him nailed pretty good IMO. I think we are looking for ratings that tell us the talent level of the player not the ratings that change if a player has a few games where he is pitching above his head or has gotten some lucky breaks. The new advanced metrics help tell a better story and are far better at helping us figure out what is real and what is temporary.

SunDevil · 04-27-2012, 04:33 PM

MLB Quickstart:

Owners that have both their patience and spending set to 0.
(In game it says the range is from 1 - 10)

Arizona: Ken Kendrick (Suggested Value: 6/3)
Atlanta: John Malone (Suggested Value: 5/4)
Baltimore: Peter Angelos (Suggested Value: 4/3)
Boston: John Henry (Suggested Value: 3/10)
Cleveland: Larry Dolan (Suggested Value: 7/4)
Colorado: Charlie Monfort (Suggested Value: 7/5)
Los Angeles Dodgers: Earvin Johnson (Suggested Value: 3/8)
New York Yankees: Hank Steinbrenner (Suggested Value: 2/10)
Tampa Bay: Stuart Sternberg (Suggested Value: 8/3)

Tycobbler · 04-27-2012, 05:48 PM

Verlander still needs to be fixed. Still says he won the 2011 American league hitter award, and his ratings aren't that of an ace. I'll edit that myself. 14-13-11 are just not acceptable to me for JV

2009, 2010 attendance records- front office/graphs, advanced info/attendance records, front office/history and news

04-27-2012, 01:55 AM	#221
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Myers would be a tough judgment call, because if you make him capable of starting games, the AI will use him as a starter for sure (especially considering the alternatives on the Astros roster). I think the best solution is probably to rate him so that he's a 'borderline starter', but even then the AI probably won't use him as a closer. So I imagine he's rated as he is so that he'll occupy the role he has in real life, despite his history. If anyone doesn't want that, they can pretty easily edit his Stamina upwards.

04-27-2012, 03:22 AM	#222
bmm8374 Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sparks, MD Posts: 9	It seems like the Myers thing and other scenarios like it really come down to what the roster set builders are trying to accomplish. Is the goal to create a roster set that will most resemble real-life roster management in 2012 or is the goal to set up a roster set that most resembles the real-life abilities and attributes of the individual players and allows human/AI GMs to make decisions accordingly? I would argue that if the goal is closer to the latter, the Myers stamina rating is more of an issue because taking away his ability to be a SP does not reflect his actual abilities. Hypothetically, what if Bud Norris or Wandy Rodriguez comes up needing Tommy John surgery in mid-May? Does management risk calling up a prospect like Jordan Lyles before he's ready or do they decide that Myers is useless as a closer if they can't get him save chances and stretch him back out into a starter? If you're the Astros management, wouldn't you like having that option?

04-27-2012, 12:52 PM	#224
Johnny93g Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 150	Two quick things Ricky Romero Ya, I made a fuss about him back on page 1 and 2, but i still think he's criminally underrated in this roster set. He is a legit ace. I'm not gonna get into a thing with him, but take another look at his results, and compare that to other pitchers rated ahead of him. He should be higher. 2nd, Drew Hutchinson of the Blue Jays I'm not sure how you rate a guy like this. He's young, just 21, and he's pitching in the majors right now. Only 2 starts, and 10 or 11 innings, but he's done fine. Anyway, he's rated for a guy in single A, which was fine, but is he someone that needs a boost in current and future now that he's in the show? In game, right now, I don't think he'd last a game pitching in the majors.

04-27-2012, 12:58 PM	#225
Johnny93g Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 150	double post

04-27-2012, 01:05 PM	#226
t-bone shuffle All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The dull edge of the blade Posts: 867	Thanks for all the reply's guys. I had not considered the AI and it's likely desire to move Myers back into an SP role if his stamina would allow. And really, it's my belief that the Astros motivation here has more to do with maintaining some level of value for Myers than anything else. I mean, when's the last time a really bad team paid $11M for a closer? Complete nonsense. Hide him in the closer role for as long as possible and sooner or later someone's going to need an experienced starter. With no evidence to the contrary (Myers having been in the bullpen), some team will eventually bite on him. Thanks again for the insight.

04-27-2012, 02:38 PM	#229
The Living Bubba Bat Boy Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Young Harris, GA Posts: 10	I love the adjustments you guys have made to the 2012 roster set in this update. I think we still disagree on Sean Coyle (whom I think is underrated), Ryan Dent (whom I think is overrated), and Ryan Lavarnway (whom I think is smart), but I really appreciate the way you've incorporated user feedback into these ratings. Outstanding work!

04-27-2012, 03:19 PM	#230
haveband All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 975	Hey guys, One of the biggest thing I wanted to incorporate into this release was a really big issue. In the initial launch roster, the minor leagues were not properly set as most teams did not release their 25 man OD rosters and injury lists. With this newest release, I was able to go through and DL all the players that began the season on the DL which honestly was about 350 to 400 as well as having to release probably about the same number of players. I also set each minor with official OD rosters and began re-rating some players current ratings so that the AI would keep them at their actual real life levels. Now granted this is a long process and I did not get that portion done. Working on it now. So if you look at the actual OD rosters that came with the game and the most recent ones, you will notice a ton of changes. Again, though players are demoted/promoted/released every single day as you well know. What my ultimate goal is to at the very least get these in their appropriate levels as of OD. As well as hopefully getting up to the top 150 to 200 players for the June draft in there (that may not happen). Now, Cubby mentioned a mid season release. Now, my basic goal for this will actually be completed rosters as of say August 1st, right after the July trade deadline and having EVERY single drafted/signed player from the June draft as well as the NDFA (non-drafted free agents) in that release for you guys to draft onto your rosters. Yes it sounds like a lot but it really is not as bad as you all may think. I did this with last years set as well. Plus for whatever reason July is always a super slow month for me except for the middle of the month where I can be found at some comic studio booth at San Diego ComicCon, promoting my comics (be there this year too) That mid season release will also have up to the minute minor league rosters for all levels except for SS and rookie ball since those rosters dont get set until June and of course feature mainly guys picked in the most recent draft, those rosters will be filled with active players on the rosters. The guys you draft in the June draft, you can obviously assign there. Of course between now and then I will still be looking at errors you all find, I am having someone fix height/weight/uniform numbers for me because I am anal retentive and it bothers me if it's not correct. So if you guys find assignments that are off, trust me, I already know about them and am working through them. As well as the few "unrated" guys left (remember when there used to be several hundred of these), I have a full list of the ones left so again, you guys do not have to waste your time finding them all... I'll get to them. If you guys see anything specific you want me or one of the other guys to really look into, PM me. As you guys may have noticed I do not come in here too much. Back to work, HB

04-27-2012, 04:04 PM	#231
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	MLB quickstart still does not have a city defined for Tampa Bay, which I remember was mentioned when this game was released.

04-27-2012, 04:33 PM	#239
SunDevil Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 373	MLB Quickstart: Owners that have both their patience and spending set to 0. (In game it says the range is from 1 - 10) Arizona: Ken Kendrick (Suggested Value: 6/3) Atlanta: John Malone (Suggested Value: 5/4) Baltimore: Peter Angelos (Suggested Value: 4/3) Boston: John Henry (Suggested Value: 3/10) Cleveland: Larry Dolan (Suggested Value: 7/4) Colorado: Charlie Monfort (Suggested Value: 7/5) Los Angeles Dodgers: Earvin Johnson (Suggested Value: 3/8) New York Yankees: Hank Steinbrenner (Suggested Value: 2/10) Tampa Bay: Stuart Sternberg (Suggested Value: 8/3)

04-27-2012, 05:48 PM	#240
Tycobbler All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 1,955	Verlander still needs to be fixed. Still says he won the 2011 American league hitter award, and his ratings aren't that of an ace. I'll edit that myself. 14-13-11 are just not acceptable to me for JV 2009, 2010 attendance records- front office/graphs, advanced info/attendance records, front office/history and news