Interesting Test (concerning Barry Bonds and the Giants)

[TETCHY]

Originally Posted by IatricSB

Most of my joke attempts miss the mark it seems (but I still keep trying), at least a couple got a kick out of it and I'm happy it made someone smile.

Weird. I actually thought you were making reference to MD not his wife.

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Aadik

DY- HR"s are great, but they are simply one way to score. My understanding is that while Ruth was impressive, no doubt - he was one of the first hitters who spent time actually trying to hit them- there's a famous Ty Cobb story where he talks about HR being less useful - and to prove a point hits 3 that day.

Originally Posted by Eck

Personally, I still like Ruth as better than Bonds, but I think too much is made of this "outhomering all the other teams" argument. What actually happened in the early 1920s was that once Babe Ruth started showing it was possible to hit home runs, the Yankees started swinging for the fences and it took the rest of the AL two or three years to catch up. Once they did, Ruth was still the best home run hitter, but not by margins like 59-3 or anything.

What he said..

[IatricSB]

Originally Posted by TETCHY

Weird. I actually thought you were making reference to MD not his wife.

Yep, MD and his "little colonel"

Nigel Powers: You know, your bobby-two-gangler, your admiral-two-colonels... Yeah, don't be shy, let's have a look.

[twins15]

Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Oh, yes, it was so really, really stylish of him to insult my wife like that.

Despicable.

Um, grow up?

[Driver 8]

Originally Posted by <o>

Actually, I see no reference to your wife in that post. Please explain how it was in reference to your wife.

MD is married to Will Clark?

[sebastian0622]

Aside
Aadik, I have one question about your use of stats to compare Ruth to Bonds: Why do you only use their best three or four years?

When we look at players to elect to the HoF, or to compare them, or to see what they did, since when do we eliminate their entire careers except for the top third?

Anytime you use this top three or four year argument, it just kills anything you have to say in that post. Use career numbers to examine the value of someone's career! People aren't arguing peak value here; they are arguing who was the best player or best hitter, and that means over the course of their baseball careers.

Besides, you know that Bonds' peak value, his top 3-4 years, are very questionable because of the 'roids deal. It would greatly enhance your argument if you could compare Bonds' pre-roid years to Ruth's career. Hell, you could even remove Bonds' post-roid career and take Ruth's best 3-4 years with it to even things out, then compare. Either would further your argument if the stats played in your favor.

Rest of post

As for who played in the better era, it's tough. Not to trample on the line of political correctness, but with an eye towards realism, name two dominant black pitchers in the majors today. I'm not sure if the reason is biological, social, or what, but the bottom line is that there aren't dominant black pitchers. Outside of a handful (or less), there never have been in history. Saying that Ruth didn't face black players and that hurts his offensive output is like saying that an NHL player's stats are bogus because the league didn't allow Mexican folks. Just because it's not politically correct doesn't mean that it doesn't have merit.

Moreover, baseball was THE sport of Ruth's era. Today, we see guys like Chad Hutchinson who choose football over baseball. We'll never know, Hutchinson may have been a HoF hurler had he played baseball, but Bonds will never have to face him. Ruth would have had to, though. There are hundreds, no, thousands of top athletes in the country who play basketball or football these days who would have played baseball in Ruth's era.

Bonds is an outstanding hitter. He was a very complete player with his defense and speed. He's a sure Hall of Famer, 'roids or not. He's special to watch, and he'll go down as one of the game's best ever. I just can't say that he's Ruthian. Ruth's consistency over his career, his great batting average, the 'roid controversy around Bonds, and a game of baseball in the 20's that I believe was even more competitive than today in a social context (everyone had a baseball team: municipalities, factories, barnstorming teams...it would be like taking all of the modern day AAU basketball teams and youth football leagues and transforming them to baseball) all lead me to put Ruth over Bonds by a significant margin, although I won't say that there is absolutely no comparison. Both are/were great players.

[You'll Thank Me Later]

Originally Posted by <o>

Actually, I see no reference to your wife in that post. Please explain how it was in reference to your wife.

As you would know if you'd ever been in a league with MD or knew him IRL, MD's wife is known as the Small Blonde. With that link IatricSB called her a dick.

It was childish. It was rude. It was not funny.



</o>

[You'll Thank Me Later]

Originally Posted by twins15

Um, grow up?

Yes, you should, and so should a lot of other people who post here.

[scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

As you would know if you'd ever been in a league with MD or knew him IRL, MD's wife is known as the Small Blonde. With that link IatricSB called her a dick.

It was childish. It was rude. It was not funny.



</o>

No, he was referring to the fact that he may call his dick the Small Blonde.

Unless his wife is a penis, which I am unaware if you can marry your penis, then I don't see where he called her a dick.

[Chappy]

Originally Posted by scoobz0202

No, he was referring to the fact that he may call his dick the Small Blonde.

Unless his wife is a penis, which I am unaware if you can marry your penis, then I don't see where he called her a dick.

That's how interpreted it.

[<o>]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

As you would know if you'd ever been in a league with MD or knew him IRL, MD's wife is known as the Small Blonde. With that link IatricSB called her a dick.

It was childish. It was rude. It was not funny.



</o>

Well, I'm not and I don't. So, there is no way I would be able to infer that he was referring to his "wife" as the 'small blonde', in the same way that he didn't understand that when Aadik was referring to HOF playing around Bonds, Aadik was talking about hitters. If he's unable to read between the lines, then why should we?

[Crapshoot]

Originally Posted by sebastian0622

Aside
Aadik, I have one question about your use of stats to compare Ruth to Bonds: Why do you only use their best three or four years?

When we look at players to elect to the HoF, or to compare them, or to see what they did, since when do we eliminate their entire careers except for the top third?

Anytime you use this top three or four year argument, it just kills anything you have to say in that post. Use career numbers to examine the value of someone's career! People aren't arguing peak value here; they are arguing who was the best player or best hitter, and that means over the course of their baseball careers.

Besides, you know that Bonds' peak value, his top 3-4 years, are very questionable because of the 'roids deal. It would greatly enhance your argument if you could compare Bonds' pre-roid years to Ruth's career. Hell, you could even remove Bonds' post-roid career and take Ruth's best 3-4 years with it to even things out, then compare. Either would further your argument if the stats played in your favor.

Rest of post

As for who played in the better era, it's tough. Not to trample on the line of political correctness, but with an eye towards realism, name two dominant black pitchers in the majors today. I'm not sure if the reason is biological, social, or what, but the bottom line is that there aren't dominant black pitchers. Outside of a handful (or less), there never have been in history. Saying that Ruth didn't face black players and that hurts his offensive output is like saying that an NHL player's stats are bogus because the league didn't allow Mexican folks. Just because it's not politically correct doesn't mean that it doesn't have merit.

You didnt read my post. There would be better hitters firstly, which would make Ruth look less dominant in comparison- which is what a measure like OPS+ tries to do- measure one against one's league. Secondly, the likes of Smokey Joe Wood and co, or any black pitchers that made the team would have by definition increased the talent level in the league somewhat- they had to better to make the team than the white guy who would have otherwise- ergo the talent level increased. And I can name you 10 dominant Hispanic starters, and lots of average African American pitchers- 5-6% of pitchers today are African American, and more are Hispanic. It isnt just about the dominance- even a league average starter, if he displaces an awful white guy, raises the talent level . There's nothing complicated about this - its fairly straightforward.

As for the rest, Career Value is well and good, but for a HOf, I tend to look for 3-5 year peak value - they both have amazing careers. I havent even introduced any real discussion of speed and defense, all of which would aid bonds- I'm looking primarily at the arguement of "best" hitter- and peak value for an extended period is a better way of measuring that.

Lastly, I'm not making this into a steroid discussion - I'm basing it on what the players have done. The peanut gallery has had their fun with that already.

[You'll Thank Me Later]

Originally Posted by scoobz0202

No, he was referring to the fact that he may call his dick the Small Blonde.

The Small Blonde is his wife. You think obscenely insulting someone's wife online is clever? Are you still in middle school?

Things like this are why the PureSim board is a so much better place.

[obaslg]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

As you would know if you'd ever been in a league with MD or knew him IRL, MD's wife is known as the Small Blonde. With that link IatricSB called her a dick.

Says you. I say he took the fact that a reference to "the Small Blonde" in this thread was a complete non sequitor and facetiously misinterpreted it as a reference to MD's penis instead of to his wife. The joke was about the name and MD's use of it, not about the person.

If MD and wasn't looking to get off on a self-righteous jag about (including threats to report Iatric), and people like you weren't looking for excuses to show off your priggishness (alleged to be maturity), people could have enjoyed a bit of humor or just ignored the small joke.

Stupid dispute.

[kingcharlesxii]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

The Small Blonde is his wife. You think obscenely insulting someone's wife online is clever? Are you still in middle school?

Things like this are why the PureSim board is a so much better place.

Jeez, calm down already. IT WAS A JOKE. Someone is taking a post on a message board a bit too seriously.

[treedom]

So does anyone know, is You'll Thank Me Later MD's alias?

[scoobz0202]

Originally Posted by You'll Thank Me Later

The Small Blonde is his wife. You think obscenely insulting someone's wife online is clever? Are you still in middle school?

Things like this are why the PureSim board is a so much better place.

Are you insulting me by insinuating I am still in Middle School. For shame... And I expected better..

[Joshv02]

Mal, just come out and post under your normal handle.

Even TigerFan agrees. Don't be an idiot.

[obaslg]

I'll tell you this: You won't get a pass on insulting MY wife just because you're in middle school.

[Eckstein 4 Prez]

Uh..... can we get back to the Barry Bonds steroid talk?