Face of the Franchise is a disaster

[Kris Jardine]

Originally Posted by Marleigh

Past releases would indicate yes as they have tended to release players that are then needed a few weeks later (hence the price of bronze vlad jr)

After thinking about the new cards, I think what we'll do is include newly released cards going forward, but drop the requirements for that particular mission by one so if you happen to have one, you can lock it, but it won't be required

[RoteLaterne]

Loving FOTF collections!

People are willing to overpay for almost every historical card.
Especially bronze, silver and gold cards.

I am doing good business!

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by RoteLaterne

Loving FOTF collections!

People are willing to overpay for almost every historical card.
Especially bronze, silver and gold cards.

I am doing good business!

Yes, but then how will you afford decent cards when they remain overpriced for the foreseeable future

[RoteLaterne]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Yes, but then how will you afford decent cards when they remain overpriced for the foreseeable future

I am a huge seller atm.

Buying cards again when the dust settles.
At least I hope so.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Orcin

I did listen to this line. I didn't think you meant something exactly like team history missions, because you had just said they were gone.
.

In retrospect they are gone. For example, in PT20 you could get Norm Cash with just 1 Tiger's mission, Clayton Kershaw with just 1 Dodger's mission, Brecheen with just 1 Cardinal's mission and many more. Complete 1 team mission now and whaddya get? A pack.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by bailey

In retrospect they are gone. For example, in PT20 you could get Norm Cash with just 1 Tiger's mission,

Some revisionist history? There are/were some nasty cards in that collection. 92 Dick McAuliffe? Just logged back on for giggles, his last 7 in OOTP20 is 48k. All-time 21.6k. Just look at that card. The gold Kalines weren't exactly cheap, either IIRC

But you may not have noticed then, as you weren't FTP last year...

[dkgo]

Norm Cash is like a 150K card though and one of the best choices at 1B in the game.

For two diamonds and a few golds that's a really good deal. Would cost under 100K to complete and could be half that if you were patient enough for good deals.

[Spieler]

He was maybe a 100k card once people figured out his weaknesses. You still had to buy a ton of overpriced crap to get him.

[Spieler]

But this made me look again at a team I have in OOTP20. Completely FTP. I created it between Christmas and New Years (2059 season was their first). Just logged in now and then the first 2-3 weeks and played a couple of tournaments. That team was in Gold in 6 weeks. I logged in exactly once a month in Feb, Mar, Apr and May and just bought some crappy diamonds with whatever PP was collected. Prolly avg 10-20k/card (for junk Diamonds). Now the team's 31st season. Have one Silver/Gold/Diamond title each and 10(!) seasons in Perfect, although they suck in Perfect. Spending maybe 15 minutes a month after barely more time the first 3 weeks, and none since June.

So maybe that is what the People really want. But I feel for the people there taking Perfect seriously if these leagues are filled up with teams like that one.

[HRBaker]

Originally Posted by Spieler

But this made me look again at a team I have in OOTP20. Completely FTP. I created it between Christmas and New Years (2059 season was their first). Just logged in now and then the first 2-3 weeks and played a couple of tournaments. That team was in Gold in 6 weeks. I logged in exactly once a month in Feb, Mar, Apr and May and just bought some crappy diamonds with whatever PP was collected. Prolly avg 10-20k/card (for junk Diamonds). Now the team's 31st season. Have one Silver/Gold/Diamond title each and 10(!) seasons in Perfect, although they suck in Perfect. Spending maybe 15 minutes a month after barely more time the first 3 weeks, and none since June.

So maybe that is what the People really want. But I feel for the people there taking Perfect seriously if these leagues are filled up with teams like that one.

This is what I was saying earlier. I have three teams that are various combinations of Diamond and Gold. In PT20 I was competitive until I hit Diamond. In PT20, all three teams (with Diamnods and Golds) are struggling just to stay in Bronze for the most part. The chasm between top and bottom is HUGE now.

[Spieler]

Yeah, OK, but I am actually embarrassed by having that team with so many seasons in Perfect having spent maybe a TOTAL of 3-5 hours on it. And what does a Perfect title mean in OOTP20 really mean if x% of teams in Perfect are teams like this one?

So maybe this year is more competitive and reflective of time (and yes, if that's how you roll, money) spent?

[OMGPuppies]

A shame to see so many useful cards shoot up and price or be locked.

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Spieler

Some revisionist history? There are/were some nasty cards in that collection. 92 Dick McAuliffe? Just logged back on for giggles, his last 7 in OOTP20 is 48k. All-time 21.6k. Just look at that card. The gold Kalines weren't exactly cheap, either IIRC

But you may not have noticed then, as you weren't FTP last year...

I guess I wasn't clear. You could complete 1 mission and get a great card. Norm Cash was a great card. Agree, completing the whole Tiger collection or the whole Dodger collection or the whole Cardinal collection would have been a stretch for a F2P team.

My Hamtramck Tigers team knocked off these one by one eventually won a few perfects in gold tournaments and became a 110+ win team without spending a dime. (After blowing $100, day 1, on packs). In fact doing it that way convinced not to spend money on points ever again, but you won't be able to that in PT21 unless you win at the Auction House, somehow. Even the cards you can win in tournaments aren't that great in PT21 compared to what you can win in PT20 which is ANY special edition card instead of crappy ones in PT21 created just for tournaments.

[Marleigh]

Originally Posted by bailey

I guess I wasn't clear. You could complete 1 mission and get a great card. Norm Cash was a great card. Agree, completing the whole Tiger collection or the whole Dodger collection or the whole Cardinal collection would have been a stretch for a F2P team.

My Hamtramck Tigers team knocked off these one by one eventually won a few perfects in gold tournaments and became a 110+ win team without spending a dime. (After blowing $100, day 1, on packs). In fact doing it that way convinced not to spend money on points ever again, but you won't be able to that in PT21 unless you win at the Auction House, somehow. Even the cards you can win in tournaments aren't that great in PT21 compared to what you can win in PT20 which is ANY special edition card instead of crappy ones in PT21 created just for tournaments.

My Reds team pulled a Brouthers which basically completed the whole of the Reds Team missions for me, got me Votto, Eric Davis, Vada Pinson, and a bunch of packs. Completing those accelerated that team to Perfect from struggling in gold.

this year it'll cost me far more for possibly one good player and some packs which the odds are against me on.

Those SE cards from team missions were some of the best value cards in the game, Bob Lemon, Bender, Colavito were the backbone of my main team. though they were harder to get than the current SE Live cards they were in most cases better endgame cards.

[Spieler]

Originally Posted by bailey

I guess I wasn't clear. You could complete 1 mission and get a great card. Norm Cash was a great card. Agree, completing the whole Tiger collection or the whole Dodger collection or the whole Cardinal collection would have been a stretch for a F2P team.

I see what you mean now.

I actually like packs as rewards with a big card as a final reward. I think (Live)Gold/Historical(Gold)/(Live)Diamond packs are good rewards for Live missions and some of the not-so-difficult ones. Maybe some sort of pack guaranteeing a Historical Diamond and/or Perfect should be the reward for team historical cards, seeing as how they are more scarce due to the 70/30 distribution (or worse for Iron).

Such packs might make nice rewards for big(ger) tournaments, too.

[The Otter]

Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Yes, but then how will you afford decent cards when they remain overpriced for the foreseeable future

The price of cards in remains equal to the price of comparable cards out. (Well, minus 10%, but still.) If you can sell a card, you can buy an equally good card (more or less.)



In fact, you can make a profit in the short term by selling cards from teams whose missions have opened, and buying cards from teams that haven't yet. The latter have increased in value a little, but not as much as the 5 teams that opened first.



The only "problem" here, if you can call it that, is that it's a little harder to brute-force your way in by buying PP with cash and spending it on cards. (I'd call this an improvement, but I'm borderline F2P... spent maybe $20 total, don't intend to spend much more.)



(Personally, if I have one problem, it's the overwhelming quantity of live as opposed to non-live cards... I get that the live cards are more common, but this is skewed a little too far this year. Further than last year? Hard to say, but far.)

[DotDash]

Amazingly, I managed to focus on none of the teams included in this wave over the last two weeks (I've been buying CWS, the various Athletics teams, BAL, STL, CHC, CLE, both Dodgers teams, and PIT.)
I should have probably made a post on which teams I was collecting, so that other players could do the exact opposite, that's how bad I am at guessing what missions are going to drop.
Ah well, quite a few standard and gold pack to open at least thanks to hoarding iron and bronze cards all the time

[Marleigh]

Originally Posted by The Otter

The price of cards in remains equal to the price of comparable cards out. (Well, minus 10%, but still.) If you can sell a card, you can buy an equally good card (more or less.)

theoretically you could but the market is so bare of cards because everyone is hoarding them. And the actual playing value of most diamonds is ignored vs the value for missions, so getting a comparable card isn't as simple as looking on the market for a similarly priced card.

Also the most common way of a f2p advancing is by selling the Live SE cards to fund upgrades, even with someone (some group?) trying to price fix those cards and trying to establish new baseline L7s the gap between live SEs and historical diamonds that would be an improvement has grown

[Tinkerman]

I saw the new Ortiz had a 45k L7 this morning Someone got a bargain! Where's the facepalm emoji?

[Thundercrack]

Originally Posted by Marleigh

theoretically you could but the market is so bare of cards because everyone is hoarding them. And the actual playing value of most diamonds is ignored vs the value for missions, so getting a comparable card isn't as simple as looking on the market for a similarly priced card.

Also the most common way of a f2p advancing is by selling the Live SE cards to fund upgrades, even with someone (some group?) trying to price fix those cards and trying to establish new baseline L7s the gap between live SEs and historical diamonds that would be an improvement has grown

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