Please help a total newb...I'm TERRIBLE - Page 11

HRBaker · 03-12-2019, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Findest2001

The thing is...my team is getting worse. MUCH worse. Mainly because (take a look at the 2 sets of pictures I posted about 5 posts ago, give or take).

My first season I was all excited I was doing well. Got to playoffs, almost got to WS. Since then? Losing record, and facing teams with AVERAGE cards higher than my HIGHEST CARD. I truly believe my team is better, but the competition is getting significantly stronger each season.

I think your going to have to post a set of pics of your team. Looking at just these other teams doesn't help us understand your position.

Findest2001 · 03-13-2019, 01:00 AM

I'm not sure what the most efficient way to show you my team is, but here's my full roster.

Findest2001 · 03-13-2019, 01:02 AM

I feel like that should be a really solid team. I'm .500 right now after most recent sim since I took the screenshots, and have EIGHT players hitting below .215. Most below mendoza...far below mendoza

Findest2001 · 03-13-2019, 01:21 AM

And my pitching staff, which is performing okay, but not great by any means.

Kushiel · 03-13-2019, 08:09 AM

Your pitching staff looks like you are forsaking everything for stuff. That is your first mistake IMHO. A starting staff with 60 something STU, 70 MOV, and 70 ish CON will carry you much further from my personal experience. Pitchers like I speaking of are abundant with a little looking on the AH. Later you will look for the more elite, much more expensive movement pitchers. Dump Realmuto when you are able to get defensive catchers.

I see Ichiro on Reserve and IMHO him and Eddie Collins are your best chance for PP right now on the team you have. Pour through the posts on this forum to see what works. There is so much knowledge here expounded daily by some wonderfully talented OOTP minds.

This is just my opinion and as such means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But, I hope it helps.

mcdog512 · 03-13-2019, 08:36 AM

When posting your team it would be more helpful for me to judge if you displayed ratings and not what they happened to be doing stat wise at a point in time.

HRBaker · 03-13-2019, 09:03 AM

Something you have to realize, there's 2 ways to evaluate players; (1) by Overall rating and (2) by Detailed ratings. Ultimately, you have to watch detailed ratings to succeed - but - you can get away with using Overall Ratings at the lower levels if you understand what they mean.

First thing I notice - your active roster averages about 77 in OVR. Just for comparison, the Independence team you noted earlier that was "so much better" is 79.7. Better? Yes. Hugely? No. With a 77 OVR average you'll likely get creamed in Silver. You have to understand that there are people in Bronze who are raking in points, willing to spend money, AND those that moved up once and now have teams that have already competed in the higher levels. That makes for some serious competition.

>> Don't - I repeat - don't assume that a silver player average team can compete at the silver level. It's not true and will disappoint you more than not. I think you've been thinking along these lines. Although players are rated with the same "metals" that leagues levels are, the average roster value does not equate to the league labels. The silver league average is higher than a "75".

As a comparison, I started out my first week (because I made some lucky pulls in opening packs) at 81.3, a significant amount over your 77. and I still spent 3 weeks in Bronze. The 3rd year there - when I finally got out - my team was at 88.7, 11 average points higher than your current team.

We could get into Detailed ratings as mcdog512 mentioned too, but at this point - like I said earlier - you have to "get over" the concept of quick rewards. If you watched the Rocky Balboa movies, this is a Rocky iV fight; "Keep getting up no matter how bad it hurts"

dkgo · 03-13-2019, 11:29 AM

yeah it seems like you have a lot of inflated overall rating types that probably look like good deals compared to similar rated players on the auction market but never perform that well. if they are selling for close to quicksell value there is a reason for it.

also not sure about everyone else but I hate using the depth chart to start certain days. I have one utility outfielder and one utility infielder and set every spot to "if starter tired." my starters are better and there are no injuries, I want them out there every day they can be

Findest2001 · 03-13-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mcdog512

When posting your team it would be more helpful for me to judge if you displayed ratings and not what they happened to be doing stat wise at a point in time.

The last two sets of teams posted have stats. The post with 3 pics right before that is my roster that shows ratings.

Findest2001 · 03-13-2019, 01:37 PM

With the most recent advice, and assuming I even got 3-5kPP per week, which is being very generous, it would take me 3 weeks just to upgrade one position to where it needs to be.

zrog2000 · 03-13-2019, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Findest2001

With the most recent advice, and assuming I even got 3-5kPP per week, which is being very generous, it would take me 3 weeks just to upgrade one position to where it needs to be.

There are tons of great gold cards that cost 1.5k-3k that would be huge upgrades for your team. My FTP team that is in diamond sometimes in perfect does wait about 2-3 weeks for every upgrade. But it's way easier to upgrade where you're at.

First thing I'd do is get a Dierker and make him your #1 starter. There's one for 1500 PP on AH right now.

dkgo · 03-13-2019, 01:44 PM

you can even upgrade and save money. there are cheaper/similar catchers than realmuto who are much better. pay attention to their defensive rating. replacing suarez with andrelton simmons and move machado to 3B is another idea.

without seeing the ratings it is more difficult but I am going to assume eovaldi is terrible and can be replaced by a great silver pitcher like dennis martinez who costs a couple hundred

your calculation just claimed it would take 10K points to upgrade a single position? that is ludicrous

HRBaker · 03-13-2019, 01:46 PM

If your not going to invest any cash, then yes - you will have to wait until you can accumulate points, and then spend it wisely in the AH - replacing your worst players first.

When I started, I spent $20 up front to get 25,000 points - made up a chart of my weakest players, and found replacements in the AH. I eventually put about $65 into the team over 6 weeks.

I just took a look at the AH - many players there that would be upgrades for you, and 1100 points would get as many as 3 of them.

zrog2000 · 03-13-2019, 01:52 PM

I'd also play Ichiro over Harper.

HRBaker · 03-13-2019, 02:14 PM

Here's another way to look at it...

My secondary team is only in its second year. They went 92-70 their first year - failed in the playoffs, remained in Bronze, and are currently 28-32. Their OVR Average is 78.6 and they are in 4th place with 259 points.

I have not (and have no plans to) purchased any PPs, and plan to simply grab what I can when I can. It will be a long road - but I expect I will, at some point, move up the ranks.

zrog2000 · 03-13-2019, 02:16 PM

I absolutely hate OVR Average as a way to rate a team because that gives you a goal of raising it when that should not ever be the goal. I replace diamond cards with gold cards all the time.

HRBaker · 03-13-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zrog2000

I absolutely hate OVR Average as a way to rate a team because that gives you a goal of raising it when that should not ever be the goal. I replace diamond cards with gold cards all the time.

It has its uses - just my preference in the lower levels because I wish to pay closer attention to my higher level team. Once I break out of the cellar, I'll eventually get rid of all my Bronze and Silver cards anyway, so in the early stages it's not that critical unless your tweaking every little detail.

zrog2000 · 03-13-2019, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HRBaker

It has its uses - just my preference in the lower levels because I wish to pay closer attention to my higher level team. Once I break out of the cellar, I'll eventually get rid of all my Bronze and Silver cards anyway, so in the early stages it's not that critical unless your tweaking every little detail.

I still use quite a few silvers at perfect.

HRBaker · 03-13-2019, 04:16 PM

I don't doubt it - simply saying some people (like me) don't feel we have to get into detailed ratings until we start climbing the ladder.

Kushiel · 03-13-2019, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HRBaker

I don't doubt it - simply saying some people (like me) don't feel we have to get into detailed ratings until we start climbing the ladder.

If you start paying closer attention to ratings' details, you will already have some of these players when you start climbing the ladder. They will be the ones taking you there

03-13-2019, 01:00 AM	#202
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	I'm not sure what the most efficient way to show you my team is, but here's my full roster. Attached Images

03-13-2019, 01:02 AM	#203
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	I feel like that should be a really solid team. I'm .500 right now after most recent sim since I took the screenshots, and have EIGHT players hitting below .215. Most below mendoza...far below mendoza Attached Images Last edited by Findest2001; 03-13-2019 at 01:18 AM. Reason: new SIM

03-13-2019, 01:21 AM	#204
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	And my pitching staff, which is performing okay, but not great by any means. Attached Images

03-13-2019, 08:09 AM	#205
Kushiel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Deep in the Heart of Texas Posts: 1,810	Your pitching staff looks like you are forsaking everything for stuff. That is your first mistake IMHO. A starting staff with 60 something STU, 70 MOV, and 70 ish CON will carry you much further from my personal experience. Pitchers like I speaking of are abundant with a little looking on the AH. Later you will look for the more elite, much more expensive movement pitchers. Dump Realmuto when you are able to get defensive catchers. I see Ichiro on Reserve and IMHO him and Eddie Collins are your best chance for PP right now on the team you have. Pour through the posts on this forum to see what works. There is so much knowledge here expounded daily by some wonderfully talented OOTP minds. This is just my opinion and as such means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. But, I hope it helps. __________________ *Favente Deo supero* Last edited by Kushiel; 03-13-2019 at 08:14 AM.

03-13-2019, 09:03 AM	#207
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,369	Something you have to realize, there's 2 ways to evaluate players; (1) by Overall rating and (2) by Detailed ratings. Ultimately, you have to watch detailed ratings to succeed - but - you can get away with using Overall Ratings at the lower levels if you understand what they mean. First thing I notice - your active roster averages about 77 in OVR. Just for comparison, the Independence team you noted earlier that was "so much better" is 79.7. Better? Yes. Hugely? No. With a 77 OVR average you'll likely get creamed in Silver. You have to understand that there are people in Bronze who are raking in points, willing to spend money, AND those that moved up once and now have teams that have already competed in the higher levels. That makes for some serious competition. >> Don't - I repeat - don't assume that a silver player average team can compete at the silver level. It's not true and will disappoint you more than not. I think you've been thinking along these lines. Although players are rated with the same "metals" that leagues levels are, the average roster value does not equate to the league labels. The silver league average is higher than a "75". As a comparison, I started out my first week (because I made some lucky pulls in opening packs) at 81.3, a significant amount over your 77. and I still spent 3 weeks in Bronze. The 3rd year there - when I finally got out - my team was at 88.7, 11 average points higher than your current team. We could get into Detailed ratings as mcdog512 mentioned too, but at this point - like I said earlier - you have to "get over" the concept of quick rewards. If you watched the Rocky Balboa movies, this is a Rocky iV fight; "Keep getting up no matter how bad it hurts" __________________ *HRB* Last edited by HRBaker; 03-13-2019 at 11:02 AM.

03-13-2019, 08:36 AM	#206
mcdog512 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Pack Robert Gibson; November 9, 1935 – October 2, 2020 Posts: 2,339	When posting your team it would be more helpful for me to judge if you displayed ratings and not what they happened to be doing stat wise at a point in time.

03-13-2019, 11:29 AM	#208
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	yeah it seems like you have a lot of inflated overall rating types that probably look like good deals compared to similar rated players on the auction market but never perform that well. if they are selling for close to quicksell value there is a reason for it. also not sure about everyone else but I hate using the depth chart to start certain days. I have one utility outfielder and one utility infielder and set every spot to "if starter tired." my starters are better and there are no injuries, I want them out there every day they can be Last edited by dkgo; 03-13-2019 at 11:31 AM.

03-13-2019, 01:37 PM	#210
Findest2001 All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston Posts: 960	With the most recent advice, and assuming I even got 3-5kPP per week, which is being very generous, it would take me 3 weeks just to upgrade one position to where it needs to be.

03-13-2019, 01:44 PM	#212
dkgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,152	you can even upgrade and save money. there are cheaper/similar catchers than realmuto who are much better. pay attention to their defensive rating. replacing suarez with andrelton simmons and move machado to 3B is another idea. without seeing the ratings it is more difficult but I am going to assume eovaldi is terrible and can be replaced by a great silver pitcher like dennis martinez who costs a couple hundred your calculation just claimed it would take 10K points to upgrade a single position? that is ludicrous Last edited by dkgo; 03-13-2019 at 01:49 PM.

03-13-2019, 01:46 PM	#213
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,369	If your not going to invest any cash, then yes - you will have to wait until you can accumulate points, and then spend it wisely in the AH - replacing your worst players first. When I started, I spent $20 up front to get 25,000 points - made up a chart of my weakest players, and found replacements in the AH. I eventually put about $65 into the team over 6 weeks. I just took a look at the AH - many players there that would be upgrades for you, and 1100 points would get as many as 3 of them. __________________ *HRB* Last edited by HRBaker; 03-13-2019 at 01:55 PM.

03-13-2019, 01:52 PM	#214
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	I'd also play Ichiro over Harper.

03-13-2019, 02:14 PM	#215
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,369	Here's another way to look at it... My secondary team is only in its second year. They went 92-70 their first year - failed in the playoffs, remained in Bronze, and are currently 28-32. Their OVR Average is 78.6 and they are in 4th place with 259 points. I have not (and have no plans to) purchased any PPs, and plan to simply grab what I can when I can. It will be a long road - but I expect I will, at some point, move up the ranks. Attached Images __________________ *HRB* Last edited by HRBaker; 03-13-2019 at 02:15 PM.

03-13-2019, 02:16 PM	#216
zrog2000 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2018 Posts: 1,335	I absolutely hate OVR Average as a way to rate a team because that gives you a goal of raising it when that should not ever be the goal. I replace diamond cards with gold cards all the time.

03-13-2019, 04:16 PM	#219
HRBaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 2,369	I don't doubt it - simply saying some people (like me) don't feel we have to get into detailed ratings until we start climbing the ladder. __________________ *HRB*