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Old 02-09-2018, 02:23 PM   #201
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Are they Closers or just straight MR? In real life, players like Kimbrel, Britton, Morrow, and Soria are/were all making $9 Million+. There are a lot of others making $4-$7 Million as well.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/positional/relief-pitcher/


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I think he means in general the relief market is a "mess". So, both Closers and MR (LR and SU included). I've seen MR who are 4 to 5 stars have mediocre season in a MR role and asking for $9,000,000 per (for example) when they should be asking for, at the most $3,000,000.


I think it'll come down to whether or not OOTP 19 players will be willing to accept lower leverage deals (possibly MiLB deals). I asked a similar question to Lukas and he's mentioned they are working on fixing the minor issue with FA.
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Old 02-09-2018, 06:40 PM   #202
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Are they Closers or just straight MR? In real life, players like Kimbrel, Britton, Morrow, and Soria are/were all making $9 Million+. There are a lot of others making $4-$7 Million as well.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/positional/relief-pitcher/


I'm talking middle relievers and setup men in a league where those types are not featured at all. High stamina starters, stoppers, basically 1970s baseball where you only need 2 top end relievers at most but teams are signing 3 or 4 big dollar relievers while adequate starters are falling through cracks. Adequate starter should go for 8x more at least than your 3rd or 4th reliever
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:16 PM   #203
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I've played the Strat computer game since the DOS version. The PBP is really hokey, IMO. Really repetitive stuff such as "There's Phil Rizzuto chomping on a piece of pizza. Boy, I'm getting hungry just watching him."
Or... "Look at Bill Veeck making those little guys happy by autographing their baseballs." The PBP is also very repetitious describing gameplay with routine plays often turning into a possible blunder by the fielder involved. I feel that OOTP PBP is much better. The real time out of town scoreboard blows STRAT away. OOTP game stories, despite some repetition are better than STRAT. This is the 1st time I'm NOT ordering Strat and the 1st time I pre-ordered OOTP. I got hooked on OOTP 17 after comparing the "game engines" of STRAT and OOTP. I only replay 1 historical season at a time and OOTP has produced amazing numbers. So much so, that it is the only game I play. From the league news screen to the real time out of town scoreboard screen, this game is awesome!!
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I want to state that I am overly interested in OOTPB News Stories and PBP and I realize that not everybody is concerned with them... they don't play out their games... they just sim... and they are probably the vast majority of the gamers and the most important customers... but I would still like to make the News and PBP as good as it can be for the gamers that play out their games.

The only solution to solving the overuse of quotes in the News and PBP is VARIETY... you need to have MANY, MANY VARIATIONS, so that you don't see the same thing too often... the problem is that it is extremely time-consuming to create more variations.

It is also very important to limit the use of items that should only come up once in a blue moon... like the Phil Rizzuto comment you listed in SOM... comments like that should only come up once a year.

pstrickert does an absolutely great job on the PBP and has been at it for 10 years or so... but he can only do so much... a lot of the overused and repetitive phrases are in the HARD CODE, which is controlled by Markus, who I greatly respect as a person and a computer programmer... OOTPB is the greatest baseball game ever created... I love it dearly... having said that I think Markus can improve the News and PBP... here is some constructive recommendation and suggestion: I know from being on the Beta Team that Markus is not bothered by overuse of repetitive phrases... the News Team and PBP Team made corrections to the Hard Code way back in 2006, but Markus didn't act on it and revise the Hard Code... at that time only Markus had access to the Hard Code.

At that time Markus had very few variations for the final game wrapup... maybe 5 at most... he always described a rout this way: "St. Louis destroyed New York 13-5"... I sent him 20 different ways to describe a rout... "drubbed, routed, demolished, trounced, torched, slaughtered, clobbered, stomped, bashed, battered"... it took him almost 10 years to add some additional variations... I would be willing to bet there are still only about 10 ways to describe a runaway game, when there should be 30 or so.

Although I will say Markus has worked on the Hard Code since then... I see much improvement... but the Hard Code still need to be edited and improved... a good example is a line out to the pitcher... I see it way, way too often described this way;

"Liner back to Maddux... GOOD REACTION !!!"

Another example of lack of variety: OOTP3 had only five shutout stories in the News... what this means is EACH SHUTOUT STORY WOULD BE USED EVERY FIFTH TIME THERE WAS A SHUTOUT... Markus was satisfied with that because he just programmed to add Shutout stories to the News... he does that for all of the News categories... then its up to someone like pstrickert or the Beta Team to expand the PBP and News, to refine them and make it so they are not repetitive to the point of ad nauseam.

With the help of several other 2006 Beta Team members, many variations were added to all of the News Stories and PBP.

In the case of the News about 150 shutout variations were added for OOTP2006... that meant an individual shutout story would appear only once every 150 shutouts... sadly with the creations of the game recaps... repetition and redundancy have returned to the game... the game recaps are poorly designed and are in drastic need of revision.

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Old 02-10-2018, 01:26 PM   #204
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Fyi there is almost no hard-coded text PBP anymore. We made great progress last year in moving it out to the text engine. There is still some (the line drive to the pitcher being one), but it's almost all gone. Pstrickert keeps bugging me and eventually I give in and spend a week with him moving things around and adding new items.
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Old 02-10-2018, 01:38 PM   #205
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Fyi there is almost no hard-coded text PBP anymore. We made great progress last year in moving it out to the text engine. There is still some (the line drive to the pitcher being one), but it's almost all gone. Pstrickert keeps bugging me and eventually I give in and spend a week with him moving things around and adding new items.
Thanks for the info, Matt... that's great to know.

Just want to thank you and Lucas Berger for all the great work you do on the game.

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Will or could there be an option for a combined hall of fame for all major leagues? If the game had this feature I would use the association feature.
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Will we finally be able to manually retire coaches? i dont need 1761 coaches.
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That was already addressed by either Markus or Lukas (can't remember who specifically) in earlier posts on this thread.
Really? I swear I tried to make sure I wasn't repeating a question. I key searched NCAA and College baseball. I did find someone asking about the CWS format being replicated but I'm wondering if a college league will ever be in the game, like with recruiting and all. I don't know much so I don't know how difficult that might be to do...

If this has been asked before, sorry!!
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Will college baseball ever be a potential function in a game?


I went through all of the posts and I think I'm wrong, unless I missed it. However, I distinctly remember reading a post on this forum about the question above. In other words I saw it in another thread. Hopefully, if it hasn't been explained already Lukas or Matt can stop by and see if this is an option for future OOTP games.

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Really? I swear I tried to make sure I wasn't repeating a question. I key searched NCAA and College baseball. I did find someone asking about the CWS format being replicated but I'm wondering if a college league will ever be in the game, like with recruiting and all. I don't know much so I don't know how difficult that might be to do...

If this has been asked before, sorry!!

Sorry man. I wasn't tying to be a jerk. I quoted your question above so hopefully we can get a clarification. But I swear I thought I saw someone explaining the College/NCAA baseball situation on these forums.

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Old 02-12-2018, 08:23 AM   #210
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Will or could there be an option for a combined hall of fame for all major leagues? If the game had this feature I would use the association feature.
I'd love to see this. I tried a game once where the American & National Leagues operated completely independent of each other and were joined in an association. Separate minor leagues, rules etc. One annoyance in this set up was the separate HOF. If they can share a draft pool why not that?
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I'd love to see this. I tried a game once where the American & National Leagues operated completely independent of each other and were joined in an association. Separate minor leagues, rules etc. One annoyance in this set up was the separate HOF. If they can share a draft pool why not that?
i too would love to see a combined a HOF. ina league with 4 MLs i have players atht are good in each league and compile 3000 K & Hits but are not worthy of one single HOF. Even this guy is a borderline EBL HOF but combined he is 1st ballot. i also had a guy on this ballot with 509 HR approx between the EBL & MLB. He received 56% for the EBL HOF this year.
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I went through all of the posts and I think I'm wrong, unless I missed it. However, I distinctly remember reading a post on this forum about the question above. In other words I saw it in another thread. Hopefully, if it hasn't been explained already Lukas or Matt can stop by and see if this is an option for future OOTP games.




Sorry man. I wasn't tying to be a jerk. I quoted your question above so hopefully we can get a clarification. But I swear I thought I saw someone explaining the College/NCAA baseball situation on these forums.
It's certainly not happening this year!

Personally it would be a big dream of mine to see a realistic functioning college setup in-game. It's probably the one feature I'd like to see most.

But as I've mentioned in the past, I wouldn't recommend holding your breath to anyone else who wants to see this For various reasons, I'd guess it's more of a potential OOTP25 feature than an OOTP20 feature.
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[QUOTE=Eugene Church;4277351]I want to state that I am overly interested in OOTPB News Stories and PBP and I realize that not everybody is concerned with them... they don't play out their games... they just sim... and they are probably the vast majority of the gamers and the most important customers... but I would still like to make the News and PBP as good as it can be for the gamers that play out their games.

I'm 100% with you. I also play out my games and LOVE perusing the News Stories.
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[QUOTE=Eugene Church;4277351]I want to state that I am overly interested in OOTPB News Stories and PBP and I realize that not everybody is concerned with them... they don't play out their games... they just sim... and they are probably the vast majority of the gamers and the most important customers... but I would still like to make the News and PBP as good as it can be for the gamers that play out their games.

I'm 100% with you. I also play out my games and LOVE perusing the News Stories.
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Ditto. I play out most of my games and really enjoy the PbP. In fact it's a big reason I have not embraced 3D. The best thing about OOTP that sets it apart from other SIMs I've played is immersion. And the PbP and news stories add a lot to that.
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Q: You mentioned the ai will handle two-way player like Ohtani better. How will that happen?
A: We're still fine-tuning the system, but the main way is we'll have a flag in the player strategy whether to consider someone as a two-way player. That way, when the AI is building lineups or managing in-game, we'll look to use that player. There are other changes too (we've tweaked the fatigue model so that a batter may be fatigued the day after he starts, but he'll be able to bat fine a couple days later, like Ohtani has and is expected to do).
This clinches the purchase for me, but not because of Ohtani but because it will help me fulfill my dream of having a fully and accurately functioning European baseball setting.
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I asked this question in another thread but it went unanswered (which may have actually been the answer). Will there an option to allow us to control/regulate the ethnicity/nationality of personnel (Managers, coaches, trainers, GM's etc.) in the leagues we create?

Obviously, we already posses this functionality with players, but it's sorely needed for personnel as well IMO. For example: I once added the *** to an historical MLB league that I created which started in 1977. By 1980, Earl Weaver and Billy Martin were managing in Japanese teams and the Yankees and several other teams had Japanese managers, GMs etc.

While this certainly isn't a game-breaker by any stretch of the imagination, it would just be nice to have the same control (or at least the option to do so) over personnel that we already have for players to help make the game more immersive.
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While this certainly isn't a game-breaker by any stretch of the imagination, it would just be nice to have the same control (or at least the option to do so) over personnel that we already have for players to help make the game more immersive.
Agreed.
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will we get better playoff AI? the playoff experience in general has always been an enormous weakness (I think it comes from having a German in charge of the game not exactly grown up in the playoff mindset). Constantly middle relievers wind up throwing way too many innings in the playoffs and big-time setup men don't get into games early like you'd expect. In the 5th inning of an elimination game with the team down 4-1, they bring in basically their 6th best reliever. That just makes no sense...playoff AI in general but especially pitching choices needs serious work

I also talked about this earlier but the solution to association stats displaying poorly (often .000-0-0 for road team) is allow us to select what stats are shown in-game (regular season, postseason, or association, even career)

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I asked this question in another thread but it went unanswered (which may have actually been the answer). Will there an option to allow us to control/regulate the ethnicity/nationality of personnel (Managers, coaches, trainers, GM's etc.) in the leagues we create?

Obviously, we already posses this functionality with players, but it's sorely needed for personnel as well IMO. For example: I once added the *** to an historical MLB league that I created which started in 1977. By 1980, Earl Weaver and Billy Martin were managing in Japanese teams and the Yankees and several other teams had Japanese managers, GMs etc.

While this certainly isn't a game-breaker by any stretch of the imagination, it would just be nice to have the same control (or at least the option to do so) over personnel that we already have for players to help make the game more immersive.
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