Historical database issues thread

[Spritze]

The issue can currently appear in any year 1871-2016. Depends on the OOTP version thou art using.

[linguas.amo]

I am not sure if I should post this bug in here, however since it is an historical campaign thread but also a mod issue, I thought I woild giveit a try. So I started an historical campaign (career play) with the Cubs aka White Stockings in 1876. Using OOTP mods I wanted to download Pstrickert's historical ballpark mod. Although this mod downloads I am unable to install because of an add-on dialog error::install_file-could not install files from archive. The downloads, do, however, appear in the download folder but are empty.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by linguas.amo

I am not sure if I should post this bug in here, however since it is an historical campaign thread but also a mod issue, I thought I woild giveit a try. So I started an historical campaign (career play) with the Cubs aka White Stockings in 1876. Using OOTP mods I wanted to download Pstrickert's historical ballpark mod. Although this mod downloads I am unable to install because of an add-on dialog error::install_file-could not install files from archive. The downloads, do, however, appear in the download folder but are empty.

This isn't specific to the historical database, which is basically issues with the historical players in the game. You'd probably do better to report this with it's own thread in the Bug Reports Forum, which is one level up.

[Spritze]

Oddly enough when this post came in I was trying to install pstrickerts ballparks myself. Failure is what I have achieved as well.

Probably just over complicated this or else perhaps the OOTP installer don't work.

This should not be this hard.

[linguas.amo]

Ok, I wasn't sure where to post this actionjackson! Thank you, I'll create a thread about this

[Willy McGee]

The "system" part of my computer's memory is almost full. I had this problem before and finally got it resolved with mac'c help. I have a MacBook Pro running sierra os. The game is storing old games somewhere where it is clogging up my computer and I need to know if there is a way to get those to clear automatically or how do I find them and clean them out? I'm sorry I don't know how to explain the problem very well but I hope somebody can understand what I'm saying and help. Thanks.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Willy McGee

The "system" part of my computer's memory is almost full. I had this problem before and finally got it resolved with mac'c help. I have a MacBook Pro running sierra os. The game is storing old games somewhere where it is clogging up my computer and I need to know if there is a way to get those to clear automatically or how do I find them and clean them out? I'm sorry I don't know how to explain the problem very well but I hope somebody can understand what I'm saying and help. Thanks.

Inside your game. File > Load Game > a bunch of .lg files should pop up in a menu and you can go through and delete each one individually. If it's games that you've already deleted then I'm not sure what to suggest.

[Willy McGee]

I've deleted those. The one's I need to delete are saved in the computer's operating system. Apple can coach me through getting rid of those(I think) but I was wondering how to keep it from putting games there to begin with.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Willy McGee

I've deleted those. The one's I need to delete are saved in the computer's operating system. Apple can coach me through getting rid of those(I think) but I was wondering how to keep it from putting games there to begin with.

You'll have to ask somebody with a Mac I guess. Maybe ask in General Discussions (possibly more help there).

[crawdad5000]

Originally Posted by linguas.amo

I am not sure if I should post this bug in here, however since it is an historical campaign thread but also a mod issue, I thought I woild giveit a try. So I started an historical campaign (career play) with the Cubs aka White Stockings in 1876. Using OOTP mods I wanted to download Pstrickert's historical ballpark mod. Although this mod downloads I am unable to install because of an add-on dialog error::install_file-could not install files from archive. The downloads, do, however, appear in the download folder but are empty.

I have a MAC and got this same error when I first tried to download from add-on central. I just closed the game, rebooted, and then I was able to download all the parks, no problem. If your using Firefox, switch to Safari. Works better.

[dewelar]

Max Kepler is importing with a birthplace of the USA instead of Germany.

[Spritze]

Actually not the USA but DE which is both Germany and Delaware in the world database.

[dewelar]

Excepting, of course, that the game doesn't recognize states and thus places him in Berlin, New Hampshire...

[Spritze]

I did change his country from DE to GER.
Maybe it will help.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

Hello Sir Spritze, hope your "Vitamin D Overdose" of the other day is calming down a bit. You asked me to let you know about gap seasons for players Neutralized Stats (outside of all of the 2016 players that you talked about) a few days ago, so here's my first batch. I know you're not back for a while, but I'm getting to it while I can...

- Robert Andino (andinro01): missing 2014 and 2015 Neutered Batting Stats, and 2015 Neutered Fielding Stats
- George Archie (archige01): missing 1938 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Rafael Batista (batisra01): missing 1975 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Joe Benson (bensojo01): has superfluous 2014 Neutered Fielding Stats (may want to leave them in just in case, but so far he only played in 2011)
- Lena Blackburne (blackle01): missing 1927 Neutered Fielding Stats
- George Brett (brettge01): missing 1991 and 1993 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Bill Buckner (bucknbi01): missing 1969 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Robinson Cancel (cancero01): missing 2000-2007, 2009, and 2010 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Joel Carreno (carrejo01): has superfluous 2014 Neutered Fielding Stats (may want to leave them in just in case, but so far he only played from 2011-2012)
- Bob Cerv (cervbo01): missing 1953 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Gustavo Chacin (chacigu01): missing 2008, 2009 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Gene Clines (clinege01): missing 1979 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Eddie Collins Sr. (collied01): missing 1929, 1930 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Jarred Cosart (cosarja01): missing 2013 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Glenn Crawford (crawfgl01): missing 1946 Neutered Fielding Stats
- Rhiner Cruz (cruzrh01): has superfluous 2014 Neutered Fielding Stats (may want to leave them in just in case, but so far has only played in 2012, and 2013)

As you can see, all but one of these issues is with the Neutered Fielding Stats, so they could be the area to focus on. I'll keep tracking them down if you keep squishing them. Also, is this format OK or would you prefer them in a spreadsheet or some other form? Lemme know and I'll see what I can do. For my games right now if I find one of these I guys, I just substitute with his counterpart from the SpritzeHSforOOTP17 database, and they seem to do fine as a replacement as that database is pretty much impeccable (but only runs up to 2015).

Originally Posted by Spritze

Spreadsheet is best

Sir Spritze, I posted the above post on April 1st, and you asked for a spreadsheet as you can see in your quote above. Since then I've gathered together 340 different players that are missing either batting2 (rare), fielding2 (mostly in this category), or pitching2 (rare) stats and put them into a spreadsheet ordered by player ID (neutered stats for those reading that don't know). I would guestimate based on the amount of players I've looked at in game (4,000ish, but taking out duplicates it's probably 3,000ish) so far that between 10 and 15% of the players in the MLB database (the only database to feature neutered stats) have some gap seasons, even though neutered stats are meant to fill in the gaps. That does mean that between 85 and 90% of the players in the MLB database have all of their neutered stats, which is, as John Henry (Red Sox owner) once said of OOTP: "A phenomenal achievement".

I think we can do better, which is why I'm willing to track these neutered non-conformists down for you, if you can fix them for us. I realize you've already put a ridiculous amount of effort into this year's game, which is why I see this as more of a long term project, say in time for OOTP21 if it ever comes to exist.

The majority of the guys that I'm seeing are guys who had gap seasons and were given batting2 and/or pitching2 stats for those seasons, but not fielding2 stats. Some, as you've pointed out elsewhere, are DH types who didn't play in the field often enough to qualify for a position. I would counter that with an argument that if we're going to give fielding2 stats to players with gap seasons, why not DH types too? You may disagree, and that is your right as OOTP Historical Czar, but that's my .

If you don't want to bother with this, I will understand. Maybe you don't feel there are enough people that play with neutered stats, and that it's not worth the time and effort for the relatively small amount of people that it impacts. Fair enough. I'll back off and not bother collecting player names and seasons anymore. But if you want to fix them, I'm game to keep collecting them. Let me know OK? Also, let me know if this spreadsheet needs modifying or if it's OK for your purposes, and what (if any) modifications you need me to make. Thanks for your time and all of your efforts.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

If you don't want to bother with this, I will understand. Maybe you don't feel there are enough people 4 at last count that play with neutered stats, and that it's not worth the time and effort for the relatively small amount of people that it impacts. Fair enough. I'll back off and not bother collecting player names and seasons anymore. But if you want to fix them, I'm game to keep collecting them. Let me know OK? Also, let me know if this spreadsheet needs modifying or if it's OK for your purposes, and what (if any) modifications you need me to make. Thanks for your time and all of your efforts.

I believe we have 4 gamers that use neutered stats. Not really very many. I will check your list because in the database nobody with non DH batting newts or pitching records does not have a newt fielding record. Nobody as in no one at all. I'll let you know what findings I find when I find stuff.

[Spritze]

Not counting 2016.......

100% of the "missing" fielding records are for DH, PH, PR players only. Players who took the field zero times in the MLB in that year. I am unsure how something that does not exist can be missing. Are you asking to make the lack of nothing something? That is one of the things the Spritze database does as in many of these nothing years there is something in the minors. The neuts are MLB only.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Spritze

Not counting 2016.......

100% of the "missing" fielding records are for DH, PH, PR players only. Players who took the field zero times in the MLB in that year. I am unsure how something that does not exist can be missing. Are you asking to make the lack of nothing something? That is one of the things the Spritze database does as in many of these nothing years there is something in the minors. The neuts are MLB only.

Alright I'll give up the fight and use the Spritze database guys as replacement players for these guys then. One point before I go though using starting pitcher Scott T Baker (bakersc02) as an example.

He has a gap season in 2012. He did not play at all due to an injury of some kind I guess. The neutered stats give him 200 AB of .135/.168/.175/.343 hitting and 87.1 IP in 16 G, 14 GS of 5-4, 3.30 ERA starting pitching. These are completely madeup stats to fill in the gap, but no fielding stats were made up to fill in the gap in fielding stats. He's not the only one like that in the spreadsheet, and that's what I was trying to highlight with this whole exercise. Thanks for your time.

[Spritze]

The Fielding2 neuts I have show 13 games at P 78ip 6 PO 4 A 0 Err in 2012.

He did play 1 game IRL in the Florida state League.

I cannot view what is in the ODB file directly but that is what is in the pre-odb file.

I will re-send the neuts to be re-included with the ODB.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by Spritze

The Fielding2 neuts I have show 13 games at P 78ip 6 PO 4 A 0 Err in 2012.

He did play 1 game IRL in the Florida state League.

I cannot view what is in the ODB file directly but that is what is in the pre-odb file.

I will re-send the neuts to be re-included with the ODB.

Just so you don't think I'm completely off my rocker, here's Scott T Baker in game. As I said he's far from the only one like this in the database. Maybe the old import bug is sabotaging things? First pic: Baker's Career Neutered Batting Stats, second pic: Baker's Career Neutered Pitching Stats, third pic: Baker's Career Neutered Fielding Stats. As you can see, batting stats and pitching stats have data for 2012, but not fielding stats.