NL Wild Card - Page 11

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

Wondering, could Bud Black go to Selig and protest the game, potentially bringing us back to the game from this point on?

I don't think so.

But, it does make a case for giving managers red flags to through out on the field for close calls

The Professor · 10-02-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

Profess ... Is that Willie Wilson ?

Si!

Green & Gold Heart · 10-02-2007, 01:33 AM

Woooooooo! I don't freaking believe it!!!!!!

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Professor

Si!

He was my favorite non-tiger growing up. Helluva ballplayer.

Green & Gold Heart · 10-02-2007, 01:34 AM

My husband gave up and went to bed after the 12th inning. I started brushing my teeth and went down to check the score and saw Hairston's home run, so I told my husband it was 8-6 as he was going to sleep. I'm not going to wake him up and tell him how it ended. He'll be shocked in the morning.

marc · 10-02-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Raderick

Two wrongs don't..........

So you're saying it's perfectly OK for Colorado to get screwed on a call but not for San Diego???

Raderick · 10-02-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

I don't think so.

But, it does make a case for giving managers red flags to through out on the field for close calls

I was all for instant replay on close calls and disputed HRs before tonight and I am demanding instant replay now.

CMH · 10-02-2007, 01:35 AM

It's possible that the home plate umpire hesitation was to see if the catcher caught the ball and tagged Holliday.

Once he saw that Barrett needed to grab the ball to tag Holliday the ump called him safe.

But, Holliday definitely missed the plate. That being said, it was so close that I doubt the umpire could even see if Holliday missed it. Perhaps that had more to do with his hesitation and after Holliday made no attempt to get back to the plate he decided that he must have touched it.

Controversy indeed.

Raderick · 10-02-2007, 01:39 AM

Either way, I'll be rooting for the Rockies in the NL and the Red Sox in the AL.

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

It's possible that the home plate umpire hesitation was to see if the catcher caught the ball and tagged Holliday.

Once he saw that Barrett needed to grab the ball to tag Holliday the ump called him safe.

But, Holliday definitely missed the plate. That being said, it was so close that I doubt the umpire could even see if Holliday missed it. Perhaps that had more to do with his hesitation and after Holliday made no attempt to get back to the plate he decided that he must have touched it.

Controversy indeed.

I'm certainly not going to pretend I know what was in his head. But from watching it, I had the "feeling" that his interpretation was that Holliday didn't touch. It seemed to me the ball was out and visible before he made the call - "to me" it didn't look like seeing the free ball was what made up his mind.

That said, like I said - I have no idea what he was seeing/thinking, and your possible scenario could very well have been right on.

CMH · 10-02-2007, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DougWyatt

I'm certainly not going to pretend I know what was in his head. But from watching it, I had the "feeling" that his interpretation was that Holliday didn't touch. It seemed to me the ball was out and visible before he made the call - "to me" it didn't look like seeing the free ball was what made up his mind.

That said, like I said - I have no idea what he was seeing/thinking, and your possible scenario could very well have been right on.

I want to believe it's exactly like you said but then that also opens the question of his reasoning for calling Holliday safe and I don't want to open that discussion.

I really hope it's nothing like that.

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

I want to believe it's exactly like you said but then that also opens the question of his reasoning for calling Holliday safe and I don't want to open that discussion.

I really hope it's nothing like that.

I agree there for sure. Baseball doesn't need THAT type of controversy. And, won't get it - the ump will certainly give your story when asked (whether or not it's true

) .. and that will be the end.

yankeesrule · 10-02-2007, 01:50 AM

Tim Kirkjwin(or however you spell it) is an absolute idiot. He just made some comment along the line of "you cant stop these fans from celebrating just to replay it and see what the correct call is, the spontanious celebrating is more important than the call" now, those aren't his exact words but it was something along those lines. wow, gotta love the talking heads of espn

Prodigal Son · 10-02-2007, 01:51 AM

I don't have a dog in this fight, but:

It was a bang-bang play. Can't blame the ump. Any time a play is that close, the game can be in the hands of the ump--but who put it there? Good Rockies hitting, bad Hoffman pitching and a rainbow of a short throw by Giles. A better throw by Giles (or Hoffman doing his job) keeps the Padres from having to put the game in the hands of an ump on a split-second call. You have to look at that close of an ump call as a probability that is part of the game, as you know the call isn't going to be right 100% of the time.

Also, the catcher was blocking the plate without the ball, as he very clearly never possessed the ball at any point during the play. And blocking the plate without the ball is against the rules, no?

Anyway, there were no outs in the inning. The Padres blew it, period. It's going to be very annoying if the media and Pads fans don't recognize that, and if they cry all week long about this call.

spark240 · 10-02-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

So you're saying it's perfectly OK for Colorado to get screwed on a call but not for San Diego???

No. The goal of the umps should be to get every call correct. (And, btw, as a group they do a much better job than most fans give them credit for.) While absolute perfection is not possible, no mistake should reduce or alter the commitment to trying to get all remaining calls correct.

marc · 10-02-2007, 01:54 AM

Right, I just don't walk away from this game with the feeling that SD got screwed. Some good points were made by sebs and on top of that the Rockies were screwed earlier.

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

I don't have a dog in this fight, but:

It was a bang-bang play. Can't blame the ump. Any time a play is that close, the game can be in the hands of the ump--but who put it there? Good Rockies hitting, bad Percival pitching and a rainbow of a short throw by Giles. A better throw by Giles (or Percival doing his job) keeps the Padres from having to put the game in the hands of an ump on a split-second call. You have to look at that close of an ump call as a probability that is part of the game, as you know the call isn't going to be right 100% of the time.

Also, the catcher was blocking the plate without the ball, as he very clearly never possessed the ball at any point during the play. And blocking the plate without the ball is against the rules, no?

Anyway, there were no outs in the inning. The Padres blew it, period. It's going to be very annoying if the media and Pads fans don't recognize that, and if they cry all week long about this call.

What the hell did Percival do wrong ?

spark240 · 10-02-2007, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigal Son

Anyway, there were no outs in the inning. The Padres blew it, period. It's going to be very annoying if the media and Pads fans don't recognize that, and if they cry all week long about this call.

Your points are good. I certainly don't believe that Holliday being called out at the plate would have changed the outcome of the game. One reason I would have liked to see him called out, in fact, would have been to avoid the griping that we will see in some quarters.

DougWyatt · 10-02-2007, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spark240

Your points are good. I certainly don't believe that Holliday being called out at the plate would have changed the outcome of the game. One reason I would have liked to see him called out, in fact, would have been to avoid the griping that we will see in some quarters.

100% agree.

Raderick · 10-02-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by spark240

Your points are good. I certainly don't believe that Holliday being called out at the plate would have changed the outcome of the game. One reason I would have liked to see him called out, in fact, would have been to avoid the griping that we will see in some quarters.

There would have been two outs with the game tied. The game could still be going right now.

10-02-2007, 01:39 AM	#209
Raderick Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 2,737	Either way, I'll be rooting for the Rockies in the NL and the Red Sox in the AL. __________________

10-02-2007, 01:51 AM	#214
Prodigal Son All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Iahiodo a.k.a. the flyover Posts: 1,635	I don't have a dog in this fight, but: It was a bang-bang play. Can't blame the ump. Any time a play is that close, the game can be in the hands of the ump--but who put it there? Good Rockies hitting, bad Hoffman pitching and a rainbow of a short throw by Giles. A better throw by Giles (or Hoffman doing his job) keeps the Padres from having to put the game in the hands of an ump on a split-second call. You have to look at that close of an ump call as a probability that is part of the game, as you know the call isn't going to be right 100% of the time. Also, the catcher was blocking the plate without the ball, as he very clearly never possessed the ball at any point during the play. And blocking the plate without the ball is against the rules, no? Anyway, there were no outs in the inning. The Padres blew it, period. It's going to be very annoying if the media and Pads fans don't recognize that, and if they cry all week long about this call. Last edited by Prodigal Son; 10-02-2007 at 02:09 AM. Reason: OK IT WAS MAGICAL TREVOR HOFFMAN

10-02-2007, 01:54 AM	#216
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Right, I just don't walk away from this game with the feeling that SD got screwed. Some good points were made by sebs and on top of that the Rockies were screwed earlier. __________________

10-02-2007, 01:33 AM	#203
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	Woooooooo! I don't freaking believe it!!!!!!

10-02-2007, 01:34 AM	#205
Green & Gold Heart Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 5,242	My husband gave up and went to bed after the 12th inning. I started brushing my teeth and went down to check the score and saw Hairston's home run, so I told my husband it was 8-6 as he was going to sleep. I'm not going to wake him up and tell him how it ended. He'll be shocked in the morning.

10-02-2007, 01:35 AM	#208
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	It's possible that the home plate umpire hesitation was to see if the catcher caught the ball and tagged Holliday. Once he saw that Barrett needed to grab the ball to tag Holliday the ump called him safe. But, Holliday definitely missed the plate. That being said, it was so close that I doubt the umpire could even see if Holliday missed it. Perhaps that had more to do with his hesitation and after Holliday made no attempt to get back to the plate he decided that he must have touched it. Controversy indeed.

10-02-2007, 01:50 AM	#213
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Tim Kirkjwin(or however you spell it) is an absolute idiot. He just made some comment along the line of "you cant stop these fans from celebrating just to replay it and see what the correct call is, the spontanious celebrating is more important than the call" now, those aren't his exact words but it was something along those lines. wow, gotta love the talking heads of espn