Official Rolen/Cubby Player Rating Question Thread

[Spearhead]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

The good news is that with this set, it's very possible. That's why I'm so pumped about these ratings. A guy like Brad Lidge, Bobby Jenks, K-Rod, etc. can all have those high K rates that they have in real life.

Just wondering Cubby, is this at the expense of having accurate stats for hits against, homeruns against and/or walks given up?

[RBA333]

browsing through the rosters and i thought u might wanna no this...mike lowell is cuban and not puerto rican...not a big thing but a correction if u wanna do it
also i feel his overall and potential contact should be higher. besides his fluke season in 2005 he hasnt hit under .270 since 2000.
check out this link with his averages all pretty good... http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/NASApp/...&statType=1://
id say his project everage should be about 10 points higher

[CubbyFan23]

Originally Posted by Spearhead

Just wondering Cubby, is this at the expense of having accurate stats for hits against, homeruns against and/or walks given up?

Not at all. They should all be accurate.

[Willmore]

-Meche's K rate has never been this high before.

True, but we are talking about one half of a season and in 2004, he had 8.5 K/9 before the all-star break in 10 starts. And in the minors he had a 7.11 K/9 that same year.

-His FIP has never been this low before.

Somewhat true. His DIPS this year is at 4.37. And improvement over last year's 5.17 and 2004 and 2003's 4.84, but not better than his 2000 season of 4.34 DIPS. That was before his injury. Is he back to that level of performance ? Maybe. What does that mean ? He's an average to above-average pitcher.

-Meche has never before built a streak this long.

Not true. Since his May 30th start against the Rangers, when he allowed 6 ER in 5.1 innings, he has had 7 starts. Of which 6 were pretty good. In the span of the 7 starts, he pitched against the Royals, the D-backs, the Giants, the Padres and the Angels twice. Those 6 starts were against some the most inept offenses in the majors. 3 of the teams are from the NL, and they have shown during interleague play that NL teams are inferior to AL teams. So you basically had bad offensive NL teams playing against an average AL team. What do you think was supposed to happen ?

And Meche has had good and bad stretches before, just look at his pre- and post-all star game splits from year to year. 3.61 ERA before the break in 2003, 6+ ERA after. 7+ ERA before the break in 2004, 3.95 after the break.

Meche is a streaky pitcher and unless he finishes the year with a sub-4 ERA this year, he's an average pitcher in my eyes.

-His "stuff" has always been great. 7.34 K/9 for a SP is great. That's the 13th highest rank in the AL.

No, his stuff is great right now. And he has always had potential for good stuff, but has rarely shown it. Unreached potential is nothing, and until now Meche has been nothing. One can not substitute reason with hope when looking at a pitcher with potential.

-Say what you want about a contract year, the fact remains that he underwent severe shoulder surgery 4 years ago and has been suffering complications from that up through last year. This is the first season that Meche has not once been seriously hampered by health.

And isn't it convenient that his first healthy season is right before he is due to become a multi-millionaire 30 times over ? There will be a team out there that will look at a "finally healthy" 27-year old, who still has potential to become pretty good and will give him a 4-year, 40+ mil deal. It's going to happen. And Meche knows it, so when he might have complained about a sore back last year, he's going to tough it out and pitch his best right now.

Meche is a power pitcher, who gets hurt often and unlike some of the other power pitchers, he complains about it. He does not show the heart, the desire or any other mental characteristics that might signal to me, or anyone else that he has the mentality to be a good starter.

As soon as he starts to struggle, he'll have an excuse ready, you just wait and see.

-Actually watch the guy pitch. He's different and the batters are reacting different to him.

I've watched him pitch, I'm a Mariners fan, and he has pitched differently, but it's means little. He has yet to show consistency over the course of the season, see my previous points on that.

I would love for Meche to succeed, because then he might still qualify as a type A free agent, netting us a 1st rounder, but I have to see good performance from him over the course of 3-4 months, not 3-4 starts.

[Willmore]

...mike lowell is cuban and not puerto rican..

He was born in San Juan, PR to cuban parents. Since he played for Puerto Rico in the WBC, I'd guess he considers himself a Puerto Rican.

[RBA333]

Originally Posted by Willmore

He was born in San Juan, PR to cuban parents. Since he played for Puerto Rico in the WBC, I'd guess he considers himself a Puerto Rican.

ahh my mistake then
i know he grew up in miami and went to FIU and they always talked about him being cuban during marlins broadcasts

[Bomber33]

It had to come and I can't sit back any longer Roy Halladay is rated way too low. His ERA should not be in the mid to high 4's (which after testing for 2 seasons and then starting over and testing again for 2 season and doing it again he always finishes with an ERA in the 4's but rather a high 2 something to the mid 3's. The strike out ratio I am okay with (although maybe a bit high) I think it works out to something like 6.8K/9 inn and he is somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5K/9 inn. The problem is his number of innings pitched. Halladay is a work horse in Toronto and has lead in Complete games back in 2003 when he was last heathy and played a full season and is well on pace again this year for innings pitched. Take a look at his numbers this year at the break he is the only 12 game winner (2 Loses) in the league and is 7th in the league in innings pitched averaging I think about 7.2 innings a game. Increase the innings pitched and the K's go up respectively also and should work out right lower the ERA a touch and I think good to go. Sorry Cubby but you have him Rated worse then Gustavo Chasin. That is just wrong... Gustavo is okay as he is currently rated I think maybe short on endurence but thats about it. But really Halladay needs to be increased he is the Ace on the Blue Jays even with a health Burnett. Roy is 1A and Burnett is 1B. Enough ranting.. Thanks.

[BadluckinOOTP]

Originally Posted by Bomber33

It had to come and I can't sit back any longer Roy Halladay is rated way too low. His ERA should not be in the mid to high 4's (which after testing for 2 seasons and then starting over and testing again for 2 season and doing it again he always finishes with an ERA in the 4's but rather a high 2 something to the mid 3's. The strike out ratio I am okay with (although maybe a bit high) I think it works out to something like 6.8K/9 inn and he is somewhere between 5.5 and 6.5K/9 inn. The problem is his number of innings pitched. Halladay is a work horse in Toronto and has lead in Complete games back in 2003 when he was last heathy and played a full season and is well on pace again this year for innings pitched. Take a look at his numbers this year at the break he is the only 12 game winner (2 Loses) in the league and is 7th in the league in innings pitched averaging I think about 7.2 innings a game. Increase the innings pitched and the K's go up respectively also and should work out right lower the ERA a touch and I think good to go. Sorry Cubby but you have him Rated worse then Gustavo Chasin. That is just wrong... Gustavo is okay as he is currently rated I think maybe short on endurence but thats about it. But really Halladay needs to be increased he is the Ace on the Blue Jays even with a health Burnett. Roy is 1A and Burnett is 1B. Enough ranting.. Thanks.

Cubby said something earlier about this, and that the success of Halladay is sort of an anomaly. As in none of his numbers are fantastic, and he just gets outs. Which rightly enough is not a rating in OOTP. So he's a hard one to rate.

[Bomber33]

If I was trying to get as close to realty as I could I would rate Halladay overall Stuff: 103 Movement: 133 Control:180 and 800 AB to get those innings up to where they should be ...that should get him to numbers that would be about right for an injury free season. Just my personal opinion.

Thanks guys. BTW awsome roster set and to both Cubby and Rolen Thank you for all your time and effort. Can't wait to get the final product.

[CubbyFan23]

2006 test I just ran...

SP Roy Halladay, Toronto Blue Jays
23-8, 2.83 ERA
225 IP, 152 K, 44 BB

That is DEAD on I think?

[ndhalogod]

Hey Cubby,

I'm a big fan of the new roster set. I have noticed some minor errors in player salaries and some birthdays. Do you want me to post them in here or elsewhere?

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

2006 test I just ran...

SP Roy Halladay, Toronto Blue Jays
23-8, 2.83 ERA
225 IP, 152 K, 44 BB

That is DEAD on I think?

2006 test (beta 3) - first test

Roy Halladay
13-11, 4.81 ERA
196 IP, 142 K, 35 BB
34 GS, 2 CG


2006 test (beta 3) - second test

Roy Halladay
15-11, 4.21 ERA
216 IP, 162 K, 46 BB
35 GS, 1 CG

[chrisk1078]

Roster set is great. Just a few minor things. I think someone said this earlier, Jonathan Papelbon's name is misspelled (you have Jonathon), and Jon Lester is also misspelled (you have John). Also Kevin Youkilis started the season at 1B.

[Raidergoo]

Hey, I am going to try the new roster with some beta test builds.

Want to point out a few Reds personnel errors

GM
Wayne Krivsky

Manager
Jerry Narron

Bench Coach
Bucky Dent

Pitching Coach
Vern Ruhle * * * * you may want to make it Tom Hume due to Ruhle's extended health related absense.

Team Doctor
Timothy Kremchek

It may sound ridiculous, but I would strongly consider boosting Kremchek's ratings. He gets a lot of other team's hardest cases ( Scott Rolen, Ryan Dempster, Tony Womack . . .)

[pstrickert]

I've simmed the 2006 season several times with betas 1, 2, and 3. While I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, I do recall that invariably Corey Hart (Brewers) will steal 20-30 bases in a season. I'm not sure how you've determined his rating for base stealing, but you might want to double check it.

Also, I've noticed that invariably Prince Fielder will lead the team in HRs, while Carlos Lee comes in a distant second. IRL, it's the other way around. Carlos definitely has more HR power than Prince. Again, I would suggest taking another look at their ratings.

Nothing else looks out of whack for the Brewers.


EDIT: Tomo Ohka - his ratings seem a bit low. As a result, he is usually demoted to the bullpen after 5 or 6 starts.

[dvm3]

Originally Posted by pstrickert

2006 test (beta 3) - first test

Roy Halladay
13-11, 4.81 ERA
196 IP, 142 K, 35 BB
34 GS, 2 CG


2006 test (beta 3) - second test

Roy Halladay
15-11, 4.21 ERA
216 IP, 162 K, 46 BB
35 GS, 1 CG

Try running the test a few more times. The great thing about this game is that (like real life), players don't always put up the same numbers every year. When I started running tests with this beta, I'd have some no-name schmuck from Tampa Bay drive in 120 RBI the first year. I reran the test 4 more times, he ended up averaging ~60 RBI during those years.

If Halladay is still averages a 4.50 ERA after 5 or more runthroughs, then he might be worth editing. FYI: He was around 3.40 in the tests I ran (don't remember how many complete games)

[CubbyFan23]

The thing that's bugging me is those numbers look right for Halladay outside of the ERA. How many HR did he allow?

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

The thing that's bugging me is those numbers look right for Halladay outside of the ERA. How many HR did he allow?

OK - third test

Halladay
7-15, 4.49 ERA
208 IP, 144 K, 49 BB
34 GS, 2 CG
24 HR

I noticed he only had 7 QS, which seems rather low

I checked the earlier results for Halladay . . .

first test - 30 HR
second test - 19 HR

NOTE: I simmed with Injuries ON and Fatigue AVERAGE

[CubbyFan23]

Most likely your problem there. Try simming without computer moves on and see what happens, I've noticed that when the computer brings some of the super-AAA players up who haven't been edited yet it tends to throw the balance off.

[pstrickert]

Originally Posted by CubbyFan23

Most likely your problem there. Try simming without computer moves on and see what happens, I've noticed that when the computer brings some of the super-AAA players up who haven't been edited yet it tends to throw the balance off.

OK - that could be it. I'll run another test and get back to you. Thanks.