2007 New York Yankees Thread - Page 109

MrHaroldG · 10-09-2007, 12:57 AM

No World Championship since 2000, no trip to the World Series since 2003, squandering the 2004 ALCS after leading 3-0—and now back-to-back-to-back eliminations in the ALDS.

I can pretty much hear Steinbrenner now.

"Joe Torre,
YEEEEEERRRRRR FIIIIIIIIIIIIIRED!!!!"

yankeesrule · 10-09-2007, 01:14 AM

hooooray for jeter, the anti-clutch. although the media wont put it on him, its arods and wang and torres fault

Go Tribe · 10-09-2007, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by myasu

Wang in the Yankee Stadium tomorrow will be a totally different pitcher from the one we saw several days ago in Cleveland,.

ummm

thomamon · 10-09-2007, 01:24 AM

It is time for some changes, I've said it for a while.

New blood is needed in the Bronx, its plain and simple. Torre needs to go, but not because of this series. It goes beyond that, I said it before this series and I still say it. His player skills are great, his managerial skills, especially for managing a pitching staff are awful.

I look forward to the off season, it should bring some changes. Get some new blood, some new hunger in there and anything is possible in 2008.

myasu · 10-09-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Go Tribe

ummm

Actually, he was a different pitcher when he was pitching in the Yankee stadium in the regular season.
I guess he was simply not good enough to stop the now red hot Indian hitters.

Shame that the Yankees did not make it to the ALCS, as I was really looking forward to the Red Sox-Yankees ALCS, but I think the Indians are the great, well-balanced team, and played better than the Yankees.

I hate to bring this up again, but I really think it was stupid (once again) for Mr. "God Bless me and America" to make a comment about Torre in the middle of the ALDS. It was so unnecessary, so insensitive for him to say something like that while the team was still trying so hard to make something happen.
At least Torre deserves much better than hearing that kind of word from the person who should have supported him the most.... like

"Thank you, Joe. You have been a great manager for our team for so long. This might be your last year with our team as we should be looking for some new direction at this stage, but I really wish you and your players will make it to the World Series once again, not for me, but for yourselves."

Well, I started laughing while I was typing this, it sounded too unrealistic, but Torre deserves a big "Thank you" from his owner, fans.
That is what I feel right now.

Tony M · 10-09-2007, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by yankeesrule

hooooray for jeter, the anti-clutch. although the media wont put it on him, its arods and wang and torres fault

Wasn't Jeter the new "Mister October" a few years ago? It seems that he's become "Mister Large Chunk of October baseball again" (only works when spoken)...

I half expected when I saw the result this morning that Torre would have been gone - given GS's words over the weekend, I'm surprised the phone didn't ring in the dugout the moment Borowski's third pitch to Posada went passed his knees with George giving Joe the news...

Jestre · 10-09-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by redsoxford

I half expected when I saw the result this morning that Torre would have been gone - given GS's words over the weekend, I'm surprised the phone didn't ring in the dugout the moment Borowski's third pitch to Posada went passed his knees with George giving Joe the news...

I wouldnt be surprised if Steinbrenner's comment about firing Torre if they dont win was said just to inspire the team to play better and that he isnt planning on firing Torre. Of course if that is true he should have told Joe up front what he was doing, dont know if he did/would.

CMH · 10-09-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by yankeesrule

hooooray for jeter, the anti-clutch. although the media wont put it on him, its arods and wang and torres fault

Jeter was the biggest rally killer in this entire series.

Yet he won't get a touch of blame.

ctorg · 10-09-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jestre

I wouldnt be surprised if Steinbrenner's comment about firing Torre if they dont win was said just to inspire the team to play better and that he isnt planning on firing Torre. Of course if that is true he should have told Joe up front what he was doing, dont know if he did/would.

While I wouldn't rule that out, I'd be surprised if Torre was back. I remember during the Yankees' lean years how it seemed like every week a new manager was being hired/fired. RIP Billy Martin.

CommishJoe · 10-09-2007, 10:34 AM

It's time for a change. Torre had a great run and I'm glad he's been managing for so long. However, he's too stuck in the past. Get some new blood in there to help the "new generation" of Yankees get back to the World Series.

pat · 10-09-2007, 10:46 AM

LaRussa heading to Bronx?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...tar_to_re.html

Nukester · 10-09-2007, 11:24 AM

I was half expecting Torre to grab his glove and run onto the field yelling "I wont let you choking bums ruin MY career ! Pencil me in at 3B and Ill show you how its done !"

Seriously, with a lineup like that a retarted monkey can manage the Yankees. Its the players thats got to perform

CommishJoe · 10-09-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pat

LaRussa heading to Bronx?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...tar_to_re.html

I would love to see Mattingly or Girardi replace him. However, the article might have a point about it being un-fair to either of them to replace Torre. Plus, it sounds like Steinbrenner might be "back" meaning this could be a very long off-season. I just hope that all of the kiddies make it till opening day next year.

thomamon · 10-09-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CommishJoe

I would love to see Mattingly or Girardi replace him. However, the article might have a point about it being un-fair to either of them to replace Torre. Plus, it sounds like Steinbrenner might be "back" meaning this could be a very long off-season. I just hope that all of the kiddies make it till opening day next year.

I would love to see Mattingly be manager with Girardi as bench coach... Steinbrenner has already hinted at Mattingly managing after Joe, so who knows what will happen. I would like to see it, but I would also be a bit scared to see it.

However, I think a new pitching coach is needed. I wonder what Jimmy Key is doing...

ctorg · 10-09-2007, 12:41 PM

The idea of a monkey - not just any monkey, but a ******ed one - managing the Yankees and giving feebly signed directions to A-Rod and others is a pretty funny one.

CommishJoe · 10-09-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by thomamon

I would love to see Mattingly be manager with Girardi as bench coach... Steinbrenner has already hinted at Mattingly managing after Joe, so who knows what will happen. I would like to see it, but I would also be a bit scared to see it.

However, I think a new pitching coach is needed. I wonder what Jimmy Key is doing...

In the article about LaRussa, they touch on that. Since LaRussa and Duncan are a package deal, the Yanks might actually go this route just to get Duncan in as pitching coach.

I like Guidry, but I don't think he's handling the pitching staff very well.

1998 Yankees · 10-09-2007, 11:28 PM

Goodbye, old thread. You were a great one, but it's time to move on. Let's transfer our discussions to the off-season thread that thomamon started.

Which, by the way, I'm glad he did. He was the most steadfast Yankee fan of all of us this season, IMO. He was optimistic when the rest of us were ready to write the year off in early June, and kept right on rooting through thick and thin, all the way to the end. Way to go.

As I have said before, I enjoyed 2007 Yankees baseball very much, despite the ending. A big part of my enjoyment was discussing it right here, with you guys. Now, on to the hot stove league, or whatever you want to call it!

Dean Mattingly · 10-10-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

Jeter was the biggest rally killer in this entire series.

Yet he won't get a touch of blame.

You're right, and I just am not too enthralled with Jeter. There's always been an air about him I just didn't like. Reading the book about the 2006 Yanks, that I mentioned in the off-season thread, revealed to me why I never felt right about him.

It's much more important to the team's future to keep Arod to me than to keep Jeter around. From what that book said about Arod's working with the younger players, etc, he should be the one the Yanks are rewarding, along with the fans, not Jeter. Jeter cultivates a public image that isn't quite the real Jeter.

myasu · 10-10-2007, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Mattingly

You're right, and I just am not too enthralled with Jeter. There's always been an air about him I just didn't like. Reading the book about the 2006 Yanks, that I mentioned in the off-season thread, revealed to me why I never felt right about him.

It's much more important to the team's future to keep Arod to me than to keep Jeter around. From what that book said about Arod's working with the younger players, etc, he should be the one the Yanks are rewarding, along with the fans, not Jeter. Jeter cultivates a public image that isn't quite the real Jeter.

I read the book you are talking about, and I know what part of the book made you think Jeter is more distractive than A-Rod.
I also think it could be true that Jeter cultivates a public image that isn't quite the real him, just as every super star does.

However, just to be fair for Mr. Jeter, the book, written by one writer, should only indicate the view of one person, and the very view could be one-sided.

I think it was just one of the situations that took 3~4 seasons for Jeter and A-Rod, the two mega-super stars to get used to being on the same team, sharing the respect for each other, sharing the spotlights.
I thought they were better together this year...

Dean Mattingly · 10-10-2007, 08:57 PM

Yes, that's been mentioned, but why then hasn't Jeter, or anyone else in the organization, sued the author for being dishonest, or even spoke out to the press saying the author is biased, or being dishonest?

Players don't keep their mouths shut these days when they feel they're being slandered or libelled, and not one single member of the Yankees organization has said anything about the book not being true.

10-09-2007, 12:57 AM	#2161
MrHaroldG Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 381	No World Championship since 2000, no trip to the World Series since 2003, squandering the 2004 ALCS after leading 3-0—and now back-to-back-to-back eliminations in the ALDS. I can pretty much hear Steinbrenner now. "Joe Torre, YEEEEEERRRRRR FIIIIIIIIIIIIIRED!!!!" __________________ I take the expression "If you're scoring at home" literally. I do score at home.

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thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	It is time for some changes, I've said it for a while. New blood is needed in the Bronx, its plain and simple. Torre needs to go, but not because of this series. It goes beyond that, I said it before this series and I still say it. His player skills are great, his managerial skills, especially for managing a pitching staff are awful. I look forward to the off season, it should bring some changes. Get some new blood, some new hunger in there and anything is possible in 2008. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

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CommishJoe Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 5,238	It's time for a change. Torre had a great run and I'm glad he's been managing for so long. However, he's too stuck in the past. Get some new blood in there to help the "new generation" of Yankees get back to the World Series. __________________ Joe Success isn’t owned. It’s leased. And rent is due every day.

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yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	hooooray for jeter, the anti-clutch. although the media wont put it on him, its arods and wang and torres fault

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Nukester All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Newburgh, NY Posts: 1,923	I was half expecting Torre to grab his glove and run onto the field yelling "I wont let you choking bums ruin MY career ! Pencil me in at 3B and Ill show you how its done !" Seriously, with a lineup like that a retarted monkey can manage the Yankees. Its the players thats got to perform

10-09-2007, 11:28 PM	#2177
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	Goodbye, old thread. You were a great one, but it's time to move on. Let's transfer our discussions to the off-season thread that thomamon started. Which, by the way, I'm glad he did. He was the most steadfast Yankee fan of all of us this season, IMO. He was optimistic when the rest of us were ready to write the year off in early June, and kept right on rooting through thick and thin, all the way to the end. Way to go. As I have said before, I enjoyed 2007 Yankees baseball very much, despite the ending. A big part of my enjoyment was discussing it right here, with you guys. Now, on to the hot stove league, or whatever you want to call it! Last edited by 1998 Yankees; 10-09-2007 at 11:48 PM.

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Dean Mattingly Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 53	Yes, that's been mentioned, but why then hasn't Jeter, or anyone else in the organization, sued the author for being dishonest, or even spoke out to the press saying the author is biased, or being dishonest? Players don't keep their mouths shut these days when they feel they're being slandered or libelled, and not one single member of the Yankees organization has said anything about the book not being true.