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			I actually ticked him down a notch for his stealing strategy in '64 after he stole 30 but got caught 23 times last year. This year was better, 12 CS. Still that's barely adding anything. He is 92 of 157 for his career.
		 
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			Looking at stealing stats bank then I think their view was if SB was higher than CS they were coming out ahead.
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			Once a sabermetrician, forever one - 2 from 3 is the cutoff for mine...
		 
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				1964 World Series Recap
			 Game 1 in Pittsburgh Camilo Pascual (13-9, 3.22) v Denny Lemaster (18-4, 3.03) Perhaps the most important thing for us about getting that Game 161 clinch was that it allowed us to rest Patata to go in this one. They have no such luxury and are “forced” to go with Denny Lemaster, who has bounced back strongly after a slight sophomore slump in ’63. Of course, his 1962 campaign was up there with the best by a rookie, 7 pWAR and both the Johnson-Waddell and RoY awards. So he can pitch all right, don't you worry about that. They give us exactly the sort of Game 1 you’d expect, with both generally in control and the scores tight throughout. Tied at 3 in regulation, we finally get home in the 10th on a walkoff single by Donn Clendenon, who had also gone solo deep earlier in the game. A high-quality start to this series.  Game 2 in Pittsburgh Bob Veale (16-8, 3.38) v Whitey Ford (12-12, 3.47) Pirates lead series 1-0 Just to break the fourth wall for a sec, I find it awesomely ironic that in this timeline, it is with the BoSox rather than the Yanks that Whitey Ford gets to make his first playoff appearance at the ripe old age of 35. He’s lost some of his zip by now but still as all the guile you need to get your share of wins, and we expect him to really test us today. Bob Veale goes for us and, as always, it is just a matter of him spotting his pitches. If he gets wild and puts men on base all game then we are in strife against this mob. He does precisely the opposite, not giving up a hit until the 5th and only two all up in a commanding performance as the only run of the game, driven in by Felipe Alou in the 1st, proves the difference. Ford is superb as well, holding us to just 4 hits – three of which, including two doubles, come off the bat of a red-hot Donn Clendenon – and they’ll be extremely disappointed they wasted it. Two ripper games from two that highlight how closely-matched these two squads are.  Game 3 in Boston Luis Tiant (12-12, 3.10) v Bob Friend (13-11, 2.50) Pirates lead series 2-0 What a study in opposites this game should be as we get the wily veteran Bob Friend against the fiery flamethrowing rookie Luis Tiant. Our scouts like him much better than his 12-12 record implies and they see no reason why he’ll struggle under the pressure in this one. Ahhh the confidence of youth. And boy are they on the mark as “El Tiant” fans 12 in another pitching heavy thriller that, this time, the result of which goes against us as the BP blows the save and they walk it off with a deuce in the bottom 9th. The bats do wake up a little bit in this one, with the two lineups combining for 22 hits, but they don’t do as much with them as they might, as the 4-3 final indicates. Warrior helps his own cause with a 2-run double in the 5th and Clendenon adds 2 more hits to his growing total, but we need to be far more efficient for the remainder. Pops Stargell is 0-for-11 to this point.  Game 4 in Boston Don Mossi (11-8, 2.82) v Juan Pizarro (14-9, 3.27) Pirates lead series 2-1 Southpaws do battle here with Juan Pizarro facing veteran Don Mossi, who has had a sensational late-career renaissance going 31-15 over the past two seasons. That’s no fluke and, just like Ford is a result of him increasing the craftiness as the velo tails off a bit. Their top-rated defence behind him is another key factor. We historically have had problems with his type and will really need to make every post a winner today. I’ve benched Pops today to try and give them a rev up, with Matty Alou starting in LF. The boys step up big time here, posting 4 early and controlling the game from there to record a strong 6-1 win. Pizarro World, making a bit of a rep for himself as a big-game pitcher, is strong over 8, while Clemente knocks in a pair and Demeter goes solo yard. Nearly there.  Game 5 in Boston Camilo Pascual (1-0, 2.57) v Mickey Lolich (0-1, 3.86) Pirates lead series 3-1 What have these two aces got for us today with everything on the line? We’ve been here a few times before and know that the last thing you want to be doing is allowing your opponent to head home with a win under their belt and no room for error. I trust the lads understand this and will do everything in their power not to let it happen. Hal Smith in against the lefty for a struggling Blanchard, for whom a win will mean his Pirates career ends today. This game is everything that one imagined it would be but sadly doesn’t end how we hoped it would end as they dig deep and eke out a 4-2 win that sends us back to Motown. The game remains scoreless thru 6 before the two sides swap deuces over the next couple and, with both bullpens deployed by this point, they regain the lead with 2 more in the top 9th and close it out without incident. The boys give their all and there’s nothing you can do in games like this where you were simply beaten by a better team on the day than doff your cap and move on.   S+ HOME REPORTS HOME PIRATES HOME 
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|  05-21-2023, 12:53 AM | #2025 | 
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				1964 Offseason
			 INS & OUTS Just two GM casualties this year: Steve Wilson at Minnesota and Cincy's Jim Henry. ROSTER MOVES We execute Ducky Schofield's final contract year option at $34k. We let Virdon, Del Greco and one of the Hal Smiths walk, meaning we send just Ron Kline to arbitration. SIM ACCURACY   HANGIN' THEM UP I will cover Stan in the next post. Despite the presence of some quality guys on this list, he's the only one of them I see in the HoF and is clearly a first-balloter.  
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|  05-21-2023, 01:07 AM | #2026 | 
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				Adios The Man
			 
			
			What a stellar career Stan Musial has had in this timeline, very much doing justice to his one IRL. The one glaring omission is, of course, no Championships. But let's accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative - here are some highlights: 
 RoY - 4 Wagner-Lajoies - 11 Silver Sluggers - 15 ASGs - 5 Batting Titles One of the all-time best indeed.   
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|  05-21-2023, 02:44 AM | #2027 | 
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				1964 MLB Awards
			 
			
			AL 1964 HISTORY INDEX NL 1964 HISTORY INDEX AWARDS HISTORY Willie Mays unanimously locks down his 6th Wagner-Lajoie, with Harmon Killebrew edging teammate Bob Allison across in the AL to win his first. Sandy Koufax earns Johnson-Waddell number three, alongside Sam McDowell in the junior circuit. The RoYs go to Rico Petrocelli and Milwaukee's Larry Brown, while our own Bob Miller and Senators rookie Gordie Richardson take home the Paige Plates. S+ HOME REPORTS HOME PIRATES HOME 
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|  05-22-2023, 02:03 AM | #2028 | 
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				1964/65 Rookie Draft
			 
			
			An incredibly strong pitching group this year, including three of the best we’ve seen coming in as Marquees. These are the Legacy Players for the 1965 Season: Baltimore Orioles: Jim Palmer (68.5; 521 MARQEE 100% conceded) Chicago Cubs: Fergie Jenkins (84.2; 347 GS MARQUEE 61%) Detroit Tigers: John Hiller (30.5; 545 GP – one-club player) Kansas City Athletics: Catfish Hunter (40.9; 340 GS) Minnesota Twins: Cesar Tovar (28.2; 1090) New York Yankees: Roy White (46.9; 1881 – one-club player) Philadelphia Phillies: Steve Carlton (90.9; 499 GS MARQUEE 67%) Bill Hands (27.4; 213 GS) was also eligible for the Cubs, but Jenkins’ higher WAR makes him the selection. Ken Holtzman (27.3; 209 GS) was also eligible for the Cubs, but Jenkins’ higher WAR makes him the selection. Bobby Murcer (32.1; 1256 GP) was also eligible for the Yankees, but White’s higher WAR makes him the selection. Mark Belanger (41.0; 1962 GP) was also eligible for the Orioles, but Palmer’s higher WAR makes him the selection. There are 118 rookies for this season, and the Draft will consist of 5 rounds. The Draft order will be as follows (winning percentage from 1964 IRL season in brackets; bold indicates Legacy Pick in 1st Round): Round 1 1. Philadelphia Phillies (568; dice roll) 2. Chicago Cubs (469) 3. Baltimore Orioles (599) 4. New York Yankees (611) 5. Kansas City Athletics (352) 6. Detroit Tigers (525) 7. Minnesota Twins (488; dice roll) 8. New York Mets (357) 9. Washington Senators (383) 10. Houston Astros (407) 11. Boston Red Sox (444) 12. Cleveland Indians (488; dice roll) 13. Los Angeles Dodgers (494; dice roll) 14. Pittsburgh Pirates (494; dice roll) 15. California Angels (506) 16. Milwaukee Braves (543) 17. San Francisco Giants (556) 18. Cincinnati Reds (568; dice roll) 19. St. Louis Cardinals (574) 20. Chicago White Sox (605) Rounds 2 thru 5 1. New York Mets (357) 2. Kansas City Athletics (352) 3. Washington Senators (383) 4. Houston Astros (407) 5. Boston Red Sox (444) 6. Chicago Cubs (469) 7. Minnesota Twins (488; dice roll) 8. Cleveland Indians (488; dice roll) 9. Los Angeles Dodgers (494; dice roll) 10. Pittsburgh Pirates (494; dice roll) 11. California Angels (506) 12. Detroit Tigers (525) 13. Milwaukee Braves (543) 14. San Francisco Giants (556) 15. Philadelphia Phillies (568; dice roll) 16. Cincinnati Reds (568; dice roll) 17. St. Louis Cardinals (574) 18. Baltimore Orioles (599) 19. Chicago White Sox (605) 20. New York Yankees (611) Eligible PIT players: 3 position players + 6 pitchers = 9. A fairly low-key Draft that plans out almost exactly as we’d foreseen it would. We take the following guys: 1. OF Bobby Tolan, 19 
 
 
 
 
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				The Wheeling and the Dealing
			 
			
			A relatively busy turn of the year to report on. We use our FA ticket this time around, bringing Andy Rodgers back for a second stint at the club. Ducky Schofield is getting ahead of himself, pricewise, with this his walk year and so we needed some IF utility coverage until we feel Dal Maxvill or perhaps now Tito Fuentes is up to snuff. He costs us $135k for 1+1, which will actually coincide with his IRL stint at our club.  Then just before the Draft, the Sens approach us with a generous offer for an eligible guy we'd been eyeing off for a while.  Dave Giusti, who spent a long while at the Buccos IRL in the 1970s, will come straight into the big club and hold down a LR / spot SP role. He's a great add for us and has two more years under TC.  That puts us in a position to aggressively chase the fellow we've wanted for a while as our everyday 3B, who we snag from the Phils with a strong play as follows:  The abiding trade settings meant Bob, at 22, held extra cachet to what he might have otherwise. But we are committed to the feeling that he's our guy and with Demeter's 3B ratings gone and Giusti aboard, I threw caution to the wind and let them have Grant, which was essentially the key to getting the deal done, even though Blass is unavailable until next year to replace him. Let's hope Bob - who IRL started his MLB career at Pittsburgh - is worth it, because it does leave us needing to ensure we retain a couple arms who are in their walk year and will cost plenty to keep, namely Friend and Miller, with Veale another big-ticket item needing to be locked down.   
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				Call from the Hall
			 
			
			Add another NeLer to the Hall Wall as Monte Irvin gets in third go. Sam Bankhead misses out by what looks to be one vote, and has just next year to get over the line, while Charlie Keller makes a nice rebound from last year.    
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				1965 The First Time Around
			 
			
			Powered by AL MVP Zoilo Versailles, the Twins showed just how much a change can be as good as a holiday, taking advantage of the Yankees’ disintegration to win 102 games and the pennant. They faced the Dodgers in the World Series after LA had seen off the Giants in a heated NL race that included one of the nastiest brawls the game had seen, between Juan Marichal and John Roseboro. The Dodgers overcame both the Twins and ace Sandy Koufax’s religious observances to win it all in an enthralling seven-gamer. AL CHAMPIONS: Minnesota Twins (102-60) NL CHAMPIONS: Los Angeles Dodgers (97-65) WORLD SERIES: Dodgers 4, Twins 3 Pittsburgh Pirates: 90-72, 3rd in NL AL MVP: Zoilo Versailles (Twins) NL MVP: Willie Mays (Giants) AL CYA: not given NL CYA: Sandy Koufax (Dodgers AL RoY: Curt Blefary (Orioles) NL RoY: Jim Lefebvre (Dodgers) Top Ten Lists (courtesy of thisgreatgame.com) NL Hitters 1. WILLIE MAYS, SAN FRANCISCO 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				1965 Preseason / Spring Training
			 
			
			A busy break, the clear highlight (lowlight) being the monstrous contract forked out by the Cubs for Earl Battey, making him the league’s best-remunerated player by about 40% above the next-highest. Here are the notable ins and outs: 
 
 We go 8-10 in ST with no injuries of note. The Angels lose 2B Jimmy Stewart for most of the year to a broken elbow bone. ALL TRANSACTIONS It’s funny, for once I think the BNN boffins are underestimating us. They see us finishing sub .500 and in the second div, well behind the Dodgers, with our pitching weakening right off. We shall see about that. They are tipping a tie in the AL between the Yanks and Tigers. FULL PRESEASON PREDICTIONS   
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				The View from the Gangplank Opening Day, 1965
			 
			
			One can, as always, deep dive at one’s leisure HERE. Like I said, I'm surprised and a little perturbed the prognosticators have gone cold on us. I agree our staff is aging and the bottom-end is potentially a problem, but I don't see them anywhere near over the hill yet and think we've our most balanced squad in quite some time. Don Brand comes in, Cannizzarro makes way. We're a bit thin at 2B so we'll have to watch that, although Dal Maxvill can come up and Brand also plays there. We have a Waiver claim in for OF Al Luplow to beef up our stocks out there.     
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			RE Al Luplow good deal to find a RL Pirate on waivers. 55 games is enough! I see you've hit compliance with the 3 non Pirate rule.
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			While the Draft has been a nightmare, we've been lucky on the WW - first Canizzarro and now hopefully Al (he hasn't cleared yet). Neither are superstars but good organisational pieces especially given the small subset we can pick from.
		 
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			When you first talked about it I though you had given yourself an impossible mission. Now I think it can work out OK because you can get some players who started or ended their careers with the Pirates in their middle years when they were good.
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 The Sens offered me McLain in the offseason, so I tried to swap out Demeter for him to free up the necessary spot. Sadly, no dice. Still the Giusti add is a good one for us. Should stay fairly cheap and is good but bot CYA great for quite some time. With our teensy budget we need those guys moving forward. 
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				Cutlass Club Update 1965
			 
			
			For the second year in a row, we get a nice WW claim with Al Luplow, who survives the return journey and is now at AAA. Plenty to do this time around with some really tough decisions ahead of me as a bunch of our guys are in their walk years or getting close to their upper value limit in our book. Unofficial rule is for our payroll to be no higher than 12th and preferably in the bottom quarter. It is currently at $1.3m and 16th, next to our $2m Budget, the lowest of any club.     
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				A Classic Game of Brink(s)manship
			 
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				The View from the Gangplank June 1, 1965
			 
			
			I guess that's why they call them experts...   It's about a 72-25 split bad play to bad luck as we lose a bunch of position players - Maz, Gene Alley, Andy Rodgers, Don Demeter and Roberto, who is still out of action - to short IL stints, just as some key elements of our game hit a prolonged flat spot. The result? A 22-26 sectional that is actually enjoying a bit of an upswing these past couple weeks. At our worst, we fall seven games under 500.  No panic stations here just yet. Donn and Maz have been particularly slow out of the blocks but we retain our belief in them to turn things around. Pops goes from strength to strength, and is near the top of the HR table, while the Alou brothers have been solid as well. Bailey has struggled to contribute and is yet to go deep for us in 155 AB.  The rotation has been decent enough, but the BP has really struggled to get it done, with only Pizarro and Short holding it together. The 0-5 Brunet - who'll be leaving us at season's end at the latest after hitting us up for a fourfold raise to retain his services - has been unlucky, same with the 1-3 Veale. Clay Carroll isn't far from a call-up. Chances aplenty with Cincy and the Cards each having an encouraging start to the year.  Monthly Award Winners April American League 
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