New HW Boxers Rated

[Waltercito]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSeiWjls2eQ


I've found this vid from a german boxing event held in Berlin back in January 1989. It features, among various other fights from lower weightclasses, the heavyweight bout Werner Pelz vs Karl-Heinz Heistermann, two pretty obscure german fighters from those days.


Not sure if any of these guys were rated yet.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSeiWjls2eQ


I've found this vid from a german boxing event held in Berlin back in January 1989. It features, among various other fights from lower weightclasses, the heavyweight bout Werner Pelz vs Karl-Heinz Heistermann, two pretty obscure german fighters from those days.


Not sure if any of these guys were rated yet.

Home from my trip. Planning to work on Ackers today and I'll check my data base and see if I have any of these German fighters.
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSeiWjls2eQ


I've found this vid from a german boxing event held in Berlin back in January 1989. It features, among various other fights from lower weightclasses, the heavyweight bout Werner Pelz vs Karl-Heinz Heistermann, two pretty obscure german fighters from those days.


Not sure if any of these guys were rated yet.

At what time in the video is the Heistermann fight?

[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

At what time in the video is the Heistermann fight?

It begins at 58:16.


Heistermann is the guy with the white boots (since both are wearing red trunks with white trim).

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

It begins at 58:16.


Heistermann is the guy with the white boots (since both are wearing red trunks with white trim).

Cool, I'll watch that video and see what these two guys look like. I've made some rough ratings for both Heistermann and Pelz and will work on them some more after looking at the video. I'm finishing up Ackers first.
Thanks!
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Last of the 3rd series heavyweight. I looked and looked for a picture of this guy to no success.

Manfred Ackers - HW - Germany

Career record: W8(KO 1) / L60(KO 17) / D4

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB is listed from fightsrec.com and boxerlist.com websites.

The TBCB3 DB Team rating from Ackers is derived from the original 2005 rating done. Found that back in the European Fighters forum. Imported it and have included it in Ackers new file. Updated rating I've gone back to some things more in line with the original rating. Matter of preference maybe, but, results appeared more in line with replays done.

A bunch of work going through a lot of Rings not finding a whole lot on Ackers fights. But, a few usefull tidbits such I changed him for a boxer to a slugger.

May 1964 Ring - 2/15/64 Ackers fight against Troche references Karl-Heinz Troche.

Sept 1964 Ring - 05/29/64, Italian heavyweight Danilo Zoratti, living in Germany, made his pro debut against Ackers.

Oct 1964 Ring - 06/26/64, Zoratti and Ackers meet in a slug out rematch, Zoratti winning again in 4 rounds.

May 1965 Ring - Recap of 1/16/65 fight between Buddy Turman and Manfred Ackers says the two engaged in a slugfest which was interupted when the "big Teuton retired in the fourth with a cut forehead".

May 1965 Ring - On 2/26/65, Manfred Ackers was put down by Dante Cane three times in the 2nd round before the referee stopped the fight.

Oct 1965 Ring - On 7/02/65 Ring listed in short account of this fight Manfred Ackers weight at 209 and Manfred Markgraf at 231 and saying Markgraf was the clear cut winner in the four round bout.

Dec 1965 Ring - Briefly described the Bepi Ros / Manfred Ackers fight a crude slugging match.

March 1966 Ring - On 12/02/65 Manfred Markgraf "slugged" his way to a draw with Manfred Ackers in four.

May 1966 Ring - 01/26/66 Danilo Zoratti, 200, won clearly over a "lumbering" Manfred Ackers in 8 rounds. Ring mentions Zoratti, an Italian resident in Germany.

Jan 1967 Ring - 10/06/66 Hard rights to Ackers' chin in the third round brought referee Ejner Roth to stop the fight in Hans Jorgen Jacobsen's favor.

June 1968 Ring - Manfred Ackers took three counts in his 10 round decision loss to Paul Roux on 02/10/68. Short blurb did not say what rounds.

Aug 1971 Ring - Fight between Manfred Ackers and Rudi Lubbers was stopped in the last round, 8th for a TKO win for Lubbers. Ring account says Ackers licesnse had been suspended for three months. So Some of reason Ackers went between this fight in April 1971 until Feb 1972 for his next fight.

Aug 1973 Ring - Short account mentions Bernd August is 12 years the junior to his opponent Manfred Ackers.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Karl Heinz Heistermann - HW - Germany

Here's a quick take I did on Heistermann with the help of watching that one fight against Werner Pelz. I'll take a look at Pelz tomorrow.

Career Record: W9(KO 7) / L3(KO 3) / D0

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB and other information from his website kalle-heistermann.de

Some good bio info on his website

Also well known as Kalle "Bomber" Heistermann.

Heistermann was a member of the extended German Olympic team and about

to go over to Los Angeles in 1984 when he suffered a severe jaw fracture

and that ended his boxing career for awhile.
The website second.wiki/wiki/karl_heinz_heisterman, mentions that his

career ended in 1990 due to a serious head injury in the chin area in

his last fight, which BoxRec lists as against Werner Pelz with

Heistermann won by 3rd round KO!? Another website linked on the

second.wiki site mentions that injury was a triple jaw fracture.

He now runs as restaurant in Berlin-Charlottenburg.

[Waltercito]

[QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;4846114]Last of the 3rd series heavyweight. I looked and looked for a picture of this guy to no success.


Ackers is described be some who have seen him fight as an overweight short guy. When he lost to austrian Emil Svaricek, who was a big, skinny fella whitout much skill, it's said that he even jumped trying to hit Svaricek, to no avail! They say that the fight was so funny, that the spectators spoke more of this fight than of the main event, which was Johann Orsolics vs. Klaus Jacoby.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

[QUOTE=Waltercito;4846251]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Last of the 3rd series heavyweight. I looked and looked for a picture of this guy to no success.


Ackers is described be some who have seen him fight as an overweight short guy. When he lost to austrian Emil Svaricek, who was a big, skinny fella whitout much skill, it's said that he even jumped trying to hit Svaricek, to no avail! They say that the fight was so funny, that the spectators spoke more of this fight than of the main event, which was Johann Orsolics vs. Klaus Jacoby.

That's a great story! Oh wish someone would come up with a pitcher of Manfred.

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

WERNER PELZ - HW - Germany
Career Record: W5(KO 2) / L10(KO 8) / D2

Unknown information has been left blank.

DOB from fightsrec.com and boxerlist.com

Lost a 10 round decision for the vacant German GDB Heavy Title vs Manfred Jassman, then was stopped in the 9th of a 10 rounder for the title again against Jassman. Later lost a 10 round decision to Yurder Demircan for the vacant German International Cruiser Title.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Next up is going to be the of two listed in the "2nd Series", Pauli Kraus.

The Boxing News listing spells it Pauly. I rated Pauli back in Sept 2006 and it needs a good amount of bio updating at least so look for a new file for him. My original lists nationality Netherlands and birth city as Berlin which fightsrec.com lists Berlin as his Origin. BoxRec though show new information for residence and birth which another website I found seems to corroborate his residence at least. He fought a good number of very recognizable fighters during the 60's so with my collection of boxing publications I have now through the 60s I hope I can find a lot more information on him.

So stay tuned...will take a bit looking through magazines and then making any rating changes.

[Waltercito]

[QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;4846345][QUOTE=Waltercito;4846251]

That's a great story! Oh wish someone would come up with a pitcher of Manfred.


I searched yesterday with no luck. Still trying. Gonna try out Pelz now! Thanks for the ratings!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

[QUOTE=Waltercito;4846540][QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;4846345]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

That's a great story! Oh wish someone would come up with a pitcher of Manfred.


I searched yesterday with no luck. Still trying. Gonna try out Pelz now! Thanks for the ratings!

You are welcome!
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

As promised here is Pauli Kraus the 1st of two fighters in the 2nd Series listing of heavyweight German fighters.
Interesting with Kraus, did fight info in Ring accounts that Kraus was born in Berlin of German parents but apparently some point resided in the Netherlands and took up that nationality as listed in BoxRec though the Ring accounts found of the many of his fights, not all, they alternated between referring to him as German and Holland/Dutchman/Netherlands nationality.

Paul Kraus - HW - German/Netherlands
Career Record: W11(KO 10) / L17(KO 13) / D5

Unknown information has been left blank.



Rating by: Rocco Del Sesto

Original 09/17/06 HW Boxers Rated

Fightsrec.com lists him as Paul Kraus with the Nickname Willem Bomber Pauli Kraus with his origin as Berlin Germany.

Accounts of his fights throughout his career in Ring Magazine appeared to go by Paul Kraus.

Boxerlist.com shows his DOB as 1937-10-12 and DOD as 2011-09-16.

A website, blipfoto.com/entry/3540487 has a photo of a Pauli Kraus Jr. whom the short article says Pauli Kraus the boxer was his father who had owned a "notorious bar" in Arnhem and that father Pauli died in 2011. There is a facebook site called WeAreKickboxers with some posts and photos of Pauli, his son and Pauli had a brother Berhard who boxed but BoxRec has no record for him.

Pauli had a brother, Bernhard, who boxed also but no record for him in BoxRec. If you google search Pauli Kraus you come up with a website alamy.com that has some photos of Bernhard practicing with Pauli.

If you look through the accounts below where weights were noted in the Ring publications, Kraus seemed to have a probablem with his weight up and down, could easily give him a 4 conditioning. I decided with his new rating giving him a 7. After the Johnny Prescott fight in Jan 1963 the rest of his career 1963 thru 1969 he was very infrequent with his times in the ring.

Oct 1961 Ring - 07/21/61 Referenced Kraus as Willem Kraus, 201 drew with Kurt Stroer, 181.

Dec 1961 Ring - 09/09/61 Paul Kraus stopped Adolf Mesninger, 200 in the first round.Account mentions Kraus was born in Berlin, but comes from Holland.

Dec 1961 Ring - 09/29/61 Paul Kraus, 189 floored opponent, Paul Kremer, Lugenbourg, three times before the bout was halted in the 2nd.

Jan 1962 Ring - 10/06/61 German, Guenther Huber promoted himself this fight program in Frieburg, Germany. The overall program turned out a financial success for Huber, but his personnel fight against Paul Kraus was not as Kraus floored Huber three times in the 5th and then Huber's corner threw in the towel.

Feb 1962 Ring - 11/11/61 - Dutchman, as he was refered as,Paul Krause, 203, won over Belgium, Andre Wyns in 3.

Feb 1962 Ring - Ring Annual ratings had Paul Kaus listed among the Class C heavyweights.

April 1962 Ring - 01/05/62 Paul Kraus 204, and Ossi Buettner, 206 engaged in what was described as a "terrific maul". Buettner ended up on the canvas four times before his corner stopped the fight.

April 1962 Ring - 01/20/62 Paul Kraus' weight noted as 203 and being from HOlland in his knock out win over Henri Frejule of France.

May 1962 Ring - 02/24/62 Paul Kraus, 203 dropped Belgian, Jose Peyre four times in the this bout before Peyre retired.Peyre was a last minute sub in the fight.

July 1962 Ring - 04/19/62 This fight account mentions that Kraus was born of German parents, but hailed from the Netherlands. It mentions he was a former representative of the Dutch amateur team. His opponent, German Erwin Hack retired in the 5th round from Kraus' heavy punching beating.

Aug 1962 Ring - 05/05/62 Ulli Nitzschke, 198 and Paul Kraus, 198 engaged in a tough slugging match. Nitzschke, was dropped to the canvas in the 2nd round but fought back sending Kraus down for a 6 count in the third and after some further beating, Kraus surrendered.

Nov 1962 Ring - 09/01/62 Pual Kraus, 199, Holland, beat Rene Goubelle, France in 3.

Jan 1963 Ring - 10/06/62 Paul Kraus, 198 only managed a draw with Ulli Ritter even though Kraus had dropped Ritter in the opening round.


Feb 1963 Ring - Annual Ring ratings had Paul Kraus listed with the Class B Heayweights. He would not show up again in the rankings after this year.

Feb 1963 Ring - 11/09/62 John Henry 191, showed himself too experienced for the Dutchman, Paul "Bomber" Kraus 199 to handle beating Kraus in an 8 round decision.

March 1963 Ring - 11/30/62 Paul Kraus, 210 gave up in the 7th round against Frankie Daniels, 199.

April 1963 Ring - 01/22/63 Johnny Prescott, Birmingham, England, knocked out Paul Kraus, 199.75 in 2 minutes, 48 seconds of the 3rd round. In the Boxing News account, Jan 26,1963, it mentions PRescott is the unbeaten Midland Area heavyweight champion. Referee Micky Fox counted out Kraus after he dropped on one knee after a two fisted flurry of punches from PRescott.

Feb 1964 Ring - 11/08/63 After being inactive the whole year after his January thumping by Johnny Prescott, Paul Kraus, 206 was outslugged by Ulli Ritter, 202 in an 8 rounder.

July 1964 Ring - 04/10/64 AFter consecutive draws to Carl Welschou and Frankie Daniels in the later half of November 1963, which I found no accounts of in Ring, in another matchup against Ulli Ritter, 193, Paul Kraus, 200 was trounced again by Ritter in another 8 rounder.

Oct 1964 Ring - 06/26/64 Paul Kraus was belted around hard int he opening round by opponent Ossi Buettner, but then surprisingly it seemed, Kraus floored Buettner for a 9 count in the second and then KO'd Buettner in the 3rd with a right hand hook to the chin.

March 1965 Ring - 11/27/64 Wilhelm von Homburg, 181 vs Paul Kraus 203.With the 20+ pound weight advantage, Kraus was able to handle Wilhem for a bit early on, even dropping von Homburg during the 2nd round with a one-two to the chin. HOmburg got up immediatly without a count and put the Berlin-born Dutchman down as the gong sounded.Then with another left hook at the start of the 3rd, Kraus went down again and his corner shortly after threw in the towel.

Nov 1965 Ring - 08/02/65 Invactive since November 1964, Paul Kraus stepped in to fight Ray Patteron and was out of condition and no match for Patterson. Patterson stopped the bout in the 5th round to save Kraus who was exhausted from undue harm.

May 1967 Ring - 02/11/67 Peter Weiland found a tough fight it would seem surprisingly in Paul Kraus, Holland. Kraus seemed to be giving a good account of himself until to everyone's surprise he gave up in the 6th round. Too out of shape again to carry it on long?

Dec 1967 Ring 08/19/67 Paul Kraus staggered Dante Cane in the first round but then carelessnes in the second did Kraus in in the 2nd round.

Feb 1969 Ring 10/25/68 "Bomber" Kraus, Holland, drew 8 rounds with Vittorio Venrengia.

June 1969 Ring 03/06/69 Jose Urtain, Spain, beat German Paul Kraus in 1 min, 40 sec of round 2 sending Kraus to the canvas 5 times in the process.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Btw....I'll put something in from what I find if there is some even little tidbit of info worth mentioning about the fight or the fighters. But, I don't list anything if all I find is just a so and so beat so and so in 6 rounds or something like that. You see that in BoxRec. But, also there's just some of their fights I don't find anything at all.

Rocco

[Waltercito]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Btw....I'll put something in from what I find if there is some even little tidbit of info worth mentioning about the fight or the fighters. But, I don't list anything if all I find is just a so and so beat so and so in 6 rounds or something like that. You see that in BoxRec. But, also there's just some of their fights I don't find anything at all.

Rocco

When I create a fighter, I almost always list his opponents in the Biografy section, unless he has over 100 fights or so. But I mostly rate girls, so that's rare.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

When I create a fighter, I almost always list his opponents in the Biografy section, unless he has over 100 fights or so. But I mostly rate girls, so that's rare.

Did anyone ever figure out the fix for the boxrec id to work? Or is that something boxrec is keeping broken? Boy I wish that would work again!
Rocco


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[Waltercito]

[QUOTE=Rocco Del Sesto;4847677]Did anyone ever figure out the fix for the boxrec id to work? Or is that something boxrec is keeping broken? Boy I wish that would work again!
Rocco

Doesn't work for me yet.

[pilight]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Did anyone ever figure out the fix for the boxrec id to work? Or is that something boxrec is keeping broken? Boy I wish that would work again!

Under game options where it says "External Data Source Link" change the string to http://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/$$ID$$

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by pilight

Under game options where it says "External Data Source Link" change the string to http://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/$$ID$$

Cool! I'll try that. I messed with it some and never could get it to work.
Rocco