19th Century 3D Ballparks - Page 10

LansdowneSt · 09-09-2024, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

Well, maybe it was actually 1888? In any case, the next park is the first in the distinguished line of Oriole Parks, which continues to this very day. This Oriole Park was also known as Huntingdon Avenue Base Ball Grounds, which is close enough to the name of another park in this thread that I'm going to use the Oriole Park name.

While the Orioles had great success in the National League in the mid to late 1890s, during the years they spent in this park as an American Association team they were mediocre to bad.

Google Drive Link to Oriole Park I

There's not a whole lot out there about this park, and I didn't find any atlases of Baltimore that covered the area of the park at the time it was in operation. Its location was _just_ north of the city limits c. 1885, so maps didn't cover it. I took most of my information from this article about early Baltimore ballparks on the SABR website, and heavily based it on an artist's rendition of the relevant map in the article (which I'll attach below for the curious). Since that rendition didn't show a covered grandstand this park doesn't have one either, if only for a little bit of variety. The background is from Baltimore (near the Johns Hopkins Campus if I remember right?) but may be a bit less urban than spectators really would have seen.

I'm trying to tackle the remaining ballparks in roughly the order of number of years they were used. I think that means Cincinnati's Avenue Grounds next, though I may just go ahead and do Oriole Park II and Newington Park while I've got Charm City on my mind...

Nice to see an Old Oriole Park. I used to live about 3 blocks from this site (and in the same block as John McGraw and Wilbert Robinson's house). The grass and such in the background throws me though. A consequence of knowing the area so well, I guess. That neighborhood hasn't changed much. It's classic Baltimore row houses that are across the street. Row houses akin to what is still there in and around that block:

Like these:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3178...oASAFQAw%3D%3D

Rowhouses notwithstanding - love the work!!!

BaseballMan · 09-16-2024, 07:42 PM

Any chance of creating these ballparks?
If theres no data the creativity in the ballparks has been excellent so far.
Its confusing because some ballparks had the same name and some had 5 different versions.
For example i don't think the Giants moved from Polo Grounds I to III.
I think only the AA Mets played in Polo Grounds II.
Anyway just requesting.
If you have the time.
No rush and not picky.
Wish i had the skills to do make the ballparks but i'll leave the creativity to you guys.

1871 NL CL1 CFC Cleveland Forest Citys National Association Grounds
1871 NL WS3 OLY Washington Olympics Olympics Grounds
1871 NL CH1 CHC Chicago White Stockings Union Base-Ball Grounds
1871 NL FW1 KEK Fort Wayne Kekiongas Kekionga Ball Grounds
1871 NL RC1 ROK Rockford Forest Citys Agricultural Society Fair Grounds
1871 NL TRO TRO Troy Haymakers Haymakers' Grounds
1872 NL BL1 BLC Baltimore Canaries Newington Park
1872 NL BR2 BRA Brooklyn Atlantics Capitoline Grounds
1872 NL MID MAN Middletown Mansfields Mansfield Club Grounds
1873 NL ELI RES Elizabeth Resolutes Waverly Fairgrounds
1874 NL HR1 HNA Hartford Dark_Blues Hartford Ball Club Grounds
1875 NL KEO WES Keokuk Westerns Perry Park
1875 NL NH1 NHV New Haven Elm_Citys Hamilton Park
1875 NL PH3 CEN Philadelphia Centennials Centennial Grounds
1875 NL SL1 SLR St. Louis Red Stockings Red Stocking Baseball Park
1876 NL LS1 LGR Louisville Grays Louisville Baseball Park
1878 NL ML2 MLG Milwaukee Grays Milwaukee Base-Ball Grounds
1878 NL PRO PRO Providence Grays Messer Street Grounds
1878 NL IN3 IBL Indianapolis Blues South Street Park
1879 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Riverside Park
1880 NL WOR WOR Worcester Ruby Legs Worcester Driving Park Grounds
1882 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Oakdale Park
1882 NL TRN TRT Troy Trojans Troy Ball Club Grounds
1883 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans Polo Grounds I West Diamond
1884 AL CL5 CBK Columbus Buckeyes Recreation Park I
1884 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park I
1884 AL TL1 TL1 Toledo Blue Stockings League Park
1884 AL RIC RIC Richmond Virginians Allen Pasture
1884 AL IN2 IN2 Indianapolis Hoosiers Seventh Street Park
1884 AL WS7 WS7 Washington Statesmen Athletic Park
1884 AL SLU SLM St. Louis Maroons Union Base Ball Park
1884 AL ALT ALT Altoona Mountain City Columbia Park Aloona or Fourth Avenue Grounds
1884 AL BLU BLU Baltimore Monumentals Belair Lot or Union Association Grounds
1884 AL BSU BRD Boston Reds Union Athletic Grounds
1884 AL KCU KCU Kansas City Cowboys Athletic Park KC
1884 AL MLU MLU Milwaukee Brewers Wright Street Grounds
1884 AL PHU PHK Philadelphia Keystones Keystone Park
1884 AL WIL WIL Wilmington Quicksteps Union Street Park
1884 AL WSU WNA Washington Nationals Capital Grounds
1886 NL KCN KCN Kansas City Cowboys Association Park I
1886 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans St. George Cricket Grounds
1886 NL WS8 WNL Washington Nationals Swampdoodle Grounds
1887 AL CL3 CLV Cleveland Blues National League Park II
1887 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park I
1887 NL PHI PHI Philadelphia Quakers National League Park 1883-1894
1888 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park II
1889 AL CL6 CLS Columbus Solons Recreation Park II
1889 AL KC2 KCC Kansas City Cowboys Exposition Park
1890 AL BR4 BRG Brooklyn Gladiators Ridgewood Park
1890 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders National League Park
1890 AL RC2 ROC Rochester Broncos Culver Field I
1890 AL SR2 SYS Syracuse Stars Star Park II
1890 AL BL3 BLO Baltimore Orioles Oriole Park
1891 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders League Park I
1891 AL ML3 MLA Milwaukee Brewers Athletic Field
1891 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Athletic Park
1891 AL WS9 WAS Washington Statesmen Boundary Field
1890 PL BFP BFB Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park II
1890 PL CLP CLI Cleveland Infants Brotherhood Park
1890 PL PHP PHQ Philadelphia Quakers Forepaugh Park
1890 PL PTP PBB Pittsburgh Burghers Exposition Park III
NYG New York Gothams Polo Grounds I Southeast Diamond

dfswans · 09-16-2024, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BaseballMan

Any chance of creating these ballparks?
If theres no data the creativity in the ballparks has been excellent so far.
Its confusing because some ballparks had the same name and some had 5 different versions.
For example i don't think the Giants moved from Polo Grounds I to III.
I think only the AA Mets played in Polo Grounds II.
Anyway just requesting.
If you have the time.
No rush and not picky.
Wish i had the skills to do make the ballparks but i'll leave the creativity to you guys.

1871 NL CL1 CFC Cleveland Forest Citys National Association Grounds
1871 NL WS3 OLY Washington Olympics Olympics Grounds
1871 NL CH1 CHC Chicago White Stockings Union Base-Ball Grounds
1871 NL FW1 KEK Fort Wayne Kekiongas Kekionga Ball Grounds
1871 NL RC1 ROK Rockford Forest Citys Agricultural Society Fair Grounds
1871 NL TRO TRO Troy Haymakers Haymakers' Grounds
1872 NL BL1 BLC Baltimore Canaries Newington Park
1872 NL BR2 BRA Brooklyn Atlantics Capitoline Grounds
1872 NL MID MAN Middletown Mansfields Mansfield Club Grounds
1873 NL ELI RES Elizabeth Resolutes Waverly Fairgrounds
1874 NL HR1 HNA Hartford Dark_Blues Hartford Ball Club Grounds
1875 NL KEO WES Keokuk Westerns Perry Park
1875 NL NH1 NHV New Haven Elm_Citys Hamilton Park
1875 NL PH3 CEN Philadelphia Centennials Centennial Grounds
1875 NL SL1 SLR St. Louis Red Stockings Red Stocking Baseball Park
1876 NL LS1 LGR Louisville Grays Louisville Baseball Park
1878 NL ML2 MLG Milwaukee Grays Milwaukee Base-Ball Grounds
1878 NL PRO PRO Providence Grays Messer Street Grounds
1878 NL IN3 IBL Indianapolis Blues South Street Park
1879 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Riverside Park
1880 NL WOR WOR Worcester Ruby Legs Worcester Driving Park Grounds
1882 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Oakdale Park
1882 NL TRN TRT Troy Trojans Troy Ball Club Grounds
1883 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans Polo Grounds I West Diamond
1884 AL CL5 CBK Columbus Buckeyes Recreation Park I
1884 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park I
1884 AL TL1 TL1 Toledo Blue Stockings League Park
1884 AL RIC RIC Richmond Virginians Allen Pasture
1884 AL IN2 IN2 Indianapolis Hoosiers Seventh Street Park
1884 AL WS7 WS7 Washington Statesmen Athletic Park
1884 AL SLU SLM St. Louis Maroons Union Base Ball Park
1884 AL ALT ALT Altoona Mountain City Columbia Park Aloona or Fourth Avenue Grounds
1884 AL BLU BLU Baltimore Monumentals Belair Lot or Union Association Grounds
1884 AL BSU BRD Boston Reds Union Athletic Grounds
1884 AL KCU KCU Kansas City Cowboys Athletic Park KC
1884 AL MLU MLU Milwaukee Brewers Wright Street Grounds
1884 AL PHU PHK Philadelphia Keystones Keystone Park
1884 AL WIL WIL Wilmington Quicksteps Union Street Park
1884 AL WSU WNA Washington Nationals Capital Grounds
1886 NL KCN KCN Kansas City Cowboys Association Park I
1886 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans St. George Cricket Grounds
1886 NL WS8 WNL Washington Nationals Swampdoodle Grounds
1887 AL CL3 CLV Cleveland Blues National League Park II
1887 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park I
1887 NL PHI PHI Philadelphia Quakers National League Park 1883-1894
1888 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park II
1889 AL CL6 CLS Columbus Solons Recreation Park II
1889 AL KC2 KCC Kansas City Cowboys Exposition Park
1890 AL BR4 BRG Brooklyn Gladiators Ridgewood Park
1890 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders National League Park
1890 AL RC2 ROC Rochester Broncos Culver Field I
1890 AL SR2 SYS Syracuse Stars Star Park II
1890 AL BL3 BLO Baltimore Orioles Oriole Park
1891 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders League Park I
1891 AL ML3 MLA Milwaukee Brewers Athletic Field
1891 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Athletic Park
1891 AL WS9 WAS Washington Statesmen Boundary Field
1890 PL BFP BFB Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park II
1890 PL CLP CLI Cleveland Infants Brotherhood Park
1890 PL PHP PHQ Philadelphia Quakers Forepaugh Park
1890 PL PTP PBB Pittsburgh Burghers Exposition Park III
NYG New York Gothams Polo Grounds I Southeast Diamond

You read my mind. I won't speak for asrivkin, but I have been plugging through a bunch of these as he continues to work through the parks requested by Garlon. I'll start sharing tonight.

dfswans · 09-16-2024, 08:44 PM

Olympics Grounds was home to the Washington Olympics of the National Association in 1871 and 1872, along with other Washington clubs including the Blue Legs up through 1875. There is very little information to go on for this park so I situated the park within the block where it was reportedly located and went from there. Interestingly enough, if home plate was located near the northwest corner of this block then the US Capitol building likely would've been visible beyond the center field fence. This one took some creativity, but I was somewhat inspired by some Old Frog baseball cards with sketches of Olympics players. I believe those cards are all fictitious and not reprints, but one of them did depict the capitol building beyond the outfield fence and I went with it.

Olympics Grounds

The Washington Monument was technically only partially built and construction had stalled for the duration of this park's use. I will likely go back and fix that someday because I currently have it topped out.

BaseballMan · 09-16-2024, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfswans

You read my mind. I won't speak for asrivkin, but I have been plugging through a bunch of these as he continues to work through the parks requested by Garlon. I'll start sharing tonight.

That sounds great.
I know some of ballparks are basically just name only so anything you guys can come up with
Would be fantastic.

BaseballMan · 09-16-2024, 09:38 PM

Olympic Fields will take care of a few Washington teams.
There were so many Washington teams back then.
I think there is debate over whether the 1873 Washington blue legs were decended from the 1872 Olympics, 1872 Nationals or a completely new expansion team.

asrivkin · 09-17-2024, 09:12 AM

Just a very quick note for now and following up dfswans--I already had my eye on a few of these (like Swampoodle Grounds), and some of them are in Garlon's list and are in progress (like the Baltimore ones, one of which should be showing up here before too long). I also think there's a good chance that, as speculated, some parks might show up multiple times on the list with different names.

My gut feeling is that practically any park in NYC (and most in Boston and Chicago) will have some information. I believe I saw some decent info about at least some Indianapolis parks. Some really will be almost entirely fictional, as I think everyone understands.

In any case, I'm happy to do my share of completing the list as best we can!

Ty Cobb · 09-17-2024, 10:22 AM

I'm grateful for the work you guys put in, and have complete faith in your ability to create believable quasi-fictional parks.

asrivkin · 09-22-2024, 10:23 AM

Happy Sunday, all!

I'm happy to post Oriole Park II which served the American Association's Orioles team for two seasons and change. The team finished in the middle of the AA standings during its time at this park, both above and below .500.

Google Drive link to Oriole Park 1889-1891

As with the previous entry, I heavily leaned on a SABR article about early Batimore ballparks, particularly a figure within it that depicts the park. I tinkered with the dimensions a little bit such that it doesn't quite match the size quoted in a contemporary newspaper account, but it should play just fine. The neighborhood background was taken from an area of Washington DC that seemed about right--I tried to pander to LansdowneSt by making sure there were plenty of rowhouses.

I reused parts of the Sportsman's Park beer garden for Oriole Park's.

Looking at what's left to do for the mod, I'm thinking I'll do Newington Park next to finish off Baltimore, then see if I can tackle the Chicago and Brooklyn parks next, and then I suppose the Cleveland park. But if any readers would prefer a different order I'm happy to try to accommodate!

oosl · 09-22-2024, 10:55 AM

Thanks for all you're doing on these great parks.

I know this doesn't fit the time period we are talking about (but I am not sure if you're checking the "Jazz Age" thread as much anymore, but would love to put in another request for Greenlee Field if that's possible).

Thanks again for all you're doing, love using these parks.

asrivkin · 09-22-2024, 11:11 AM

Oh, yes--I've been focusing my modeling time here, but I should give that other thread more love. I'll see what I can do in coming weeks!

LansdowneSt · 09-22-2024, 11:42 AM

Love the rowhouses!! Signature of neighborhood there - even back then!

EDIT: Would love Greenlee too! I literally searched for it a week ago!

zappa1 · 09-22-2024, 05:11 PM

Really good stuff. I think you are even getting better at it especially with the backgrounds. Getting more experience as you go.

oosl · 09-22-2024, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asrivkin

Oh, yes--I've been focusing my modeling time here, but I should give that other thread more love. I'll see what I can do in coming weeks!

I like the 19th Century stuff you’ve been doing a lot, but I really love the Jazz Age parks. And Greenlee Field is one of those I think would be really nice to have.

Thanks for all you do.

oosl · 09-23-2024, 10:47 AM

I should add that in addition to Greenlee Field the other I would really like to see is Bush Stadium (the original Victory Field) in Indianapolis, (the one that is now apartments. That's my other big Jazz Age request.

asrivkin · 09-29-2024, 05:31 PM

Happy Sunday, everyone! Today we finish off Cleveland, at least as far as the new mod is concerned! Cleveland's teams in the NL and AA played in three consecutive parks with similar names. The AL team played in "League Park" from 1901-1946, though it was built for the NL Spiders who played there 1891-1899. Silvam made that one, it can be found here and in the other usual spots. The first NL team in Cleveland, the Cleveland Blues, played from 1879-1884 before folding, and are in the mod from 1882-1886. They played in "National League Park", which was also called "Kennard Street Park". That one was made by dfswans and can be found here in this very thread.

After the Blues went defunct, the Cleveland Spiders joined the American Association in 1887, jumped to the NL in 1889, and stayed until being contracted after an infamously bad 1899 season (not really their fault). Their first four seasons before moving to League Park were in "National League Park". But this was a different "National League Park" than the one the Blues played in at Kennard Street. So, it's often called "National League Park II". Whether you call it "National League Park" or "National League Park II", it was definitely the same park for all of 1887-1891. That's the park I'm posting today.

Google Drive Link to National League Park

OK, full disclosure--there's practically no info at all about this park. So I've taken the liberty of substituting a model of Buffalo's Olympic Park, which was built at around the same time and is in more or less the same geographical region. Those of you who are paying super-close attention may know that there's an Olympic Park in my other thread. It was my intention to just alter that one, but since I couldn't find the Sketchup file

I made a new one from scratch.

The next message will discuss the Chicago Union Grounds situation, which makes it sounds more dire than it is.

asrivkin · 09-29-2024, 05:46 PM

OK, so.

In real life, the Chicago White Stockings aka Cubs played most of the 1871 season at the Union Base Ball Grounds (aka a few other things) until the Great Fire destroyed it and made them a road team. The White Stockings then went on hiatus 1872-1873 before rejoining the National Association in 1874. The 23rd Street Grounds was built in 1872, but since the White Stockings were on hiatus, they didn't start playing there until 1877. So, it makes sense for 23rd Street Grounds to be the Chicago home park starting in 1872 if you have that team playing, especially since the Union Base Ball Grounds were destroyed.

The 1871 park was on the same site as the later Lake Front Park, used 1878-1884. In kicking around various possibilities, I think a Union Base Ball Grounds model will look a whole lot like the existing Lake Front Park model, given how little is known. I could just take Boston's 1871 grandstand and put it in place of the other grandstand, but after discussing with Garlon I think what makes the most sense is just using the existing Lake Front Park model in 1871 in addition to the later years. Having said that, I hate disappointing people, so if there's a hue and a cry I could revisit this (or another modder can!).

So, I think that leaves the Capitoline Grounds and Newington Park, both of which I think I have enough information for to make modeling worth a go. I also started on Greenlee Field, so hopefully I'll be able to post that in the other thread before too long!

LansdowneSt · 09-29-2024, 06:34 PM

Kennard looks great. Everything but the tree in the outfield - and that's probably for the best!

https://www.thereusedtobeaballpark.c...d-street-park/

Ty Cobb · 09-30-2024, 10:05 AM

The old stadiums are progressing so well. As I've stated elsewhere, I'm definitely getting off my can to do my Great Lakes League and copping a bunch of these for the small venues many of the teams will play in.

BaseballMan · 09-30-2024, 02:14 PM

Seems like quite a few ballparks were officially called League Park.
I try to use the official name of a park except in some cases where a park is more recognized by another name.
I use the yankee stadium I, II, and III ballparks but i just keep the name Yankee Stadium.
Thinking of keeping the Comiskey Park name for the White Sox instead of that Guaranteed Rate nonsense.
However i would then be tempted to get rid of all the brand name ballparks.
I know its revenue but hey have a good brand name for the ballpark.
At least Target Field sounds like a sports activity.
Guaranteed rate sounds like an black friday discount sale.
Then again it might make sense after this White Sox season.

09-16-2024, 08:44 PM	#184
dfswans Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2023 Posts: 23	Olympics Grounds Olympics Grounds was home to the Washington Olympics of the National Association in 1871 and 1872, along with other Washington clubs including the Blue Legs up through 1875. There is very little information to go on for this park so I situated the park within the block where it was reportedly located and went from there. Interestingly enough, if home plate was located near the northwest corner of this block then the US Capitol building likely would've been visible beyond the center field fence. This one took some creativity, but I was somewhat inspired by some Old Frog baseball cards with sketches of Olympics players. I believe those cards are all fictitious and not reprints, but one of them did depict the capitol building beyond the outfield fence and I went with it. Olympics Grounds The Washington Monument was technically only partially built and construction had stalled for the duration of this park's use. I will likely go back and fix that someday because I currently have it topped out. Attached Images Last edited by dfswans; 09-16-2024 at 08:48 PM.

09-17-2024, 10:22 AM	#188
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,573	I'm grateful for the work you guys put in, and have complete faith in your ability to create believable quasi-fictional parks. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

09-22-2024, 10:23 AM	#189
asrivkin Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 314	Oriole Park II (1889-1891) Happy Sunday, all! I'm happy to post Oriole Park II which served the American Association's Orioles team for two seasons and change. The team finished in the middle of the AA standings during its time at this park, both above and below .500. Google Drive link to Oriole Park 1889-1891 As with the previous entry, I heavily leaned on a SABR article about early Batimore ballparks, particularly a figure within it that depicts the park. I tinkered with the dimensions a little bit such that it doesn't quite match the size quoted in a contemporary newspaper account, but it should play just fine. The neighborhood background was taken from an area of Washington DC that seemed about right--I tried to pander to LansdowneSt by making sure there were plenty of rowhouses. I reused parts of the Sportsman's Park beer garden for Oriole Park's. Looking at what's left to do for the mod, I'm thinking I'll do Newington Park next to finish off Baltimore, then see if I can tackle the Chicago and Brooklyn parks next, and then I suppose the Cleveland park. But if any readers would prefer a different order I'm happy to try to accommodate! Attached Images

09-22-2024, 11:42 AM	#192
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,189	Love the rowhouses!! Signature of neighborhood there - even back then! EDIT: Would love Greenlee too! I literally searched for it a week ago! __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file Last edited by LansdowneSt; 09-22-2024 at 11:43 AM.

09-29-2024, 05:31 PM	#196
asrivkin Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 314	Cleveland National League Park Happy Sunday, everyone! Today we finish off Cleveland, at least as far as the new mod is concerned! Cleveland's teams in the NL and AA played in three consecutive parks with similar names. The AL team played in "League Park" from 1901-1946, though it was built for the NL Spiders who played there 1891-1899. Silvam made that one, it can be found here and in the other usual spots. The first NL team in Cleveland, the Cleveland Blues, played from 1879-1884 before folding, and are in the mod from 1882-1886. They played in "National League Park", which was also called "Kennard Street Park". That one was made by dfswans and can be found here in this very thread. After the Blues went defunct, the Cleveland Spiders joined the American Association in 1887, jumped to the NL in 1889, and stayed until being contracted after an infamously bad 1899 season (not really their fault). Their first four seasons before moving to League Park were in "National League Park". But this was a different "National League Park" than the one the Blues played in at Kennard Street. So, it's often called "National League Park II". Whether you call it "National League Park" or "National League Park II", it was definitely the same park for all of 1887-1891. That's the park I'm posting today. Google Drive Link to National League Park OK, full disclosure--there's practically no info at all about this park. So I've taken the liberty of substituting a model of Buffalo's Olympic Park, which was built at around the same time and is in more or less the same geographical region. Those of you who are paying super-close attention may know that there's an Olympic Park in my other thread. It was my intention to just alter that one, but since I couldn't find the Sketchup file I made a new one from scratch. The next message will discuss the Chicago Union Grounds situation, which makes it sounds more dire than it is. Attached Images

09-16-2024, 07:42 PM	#182
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,484	Any chance of creating these ballparks? If theres no data the creativity in the ballparks has been excellent so far. Its confusing because some ballparks had the same name and some had 5 different versions. For example i don't think the Giants moved from Polo Grounds I to III. I think only the AA Mets played in Polo Grounds II. Anyway just requesting. If you have the time. No rush and not picky. Wish i had the skills to do make the ballparks but i'll leave the creativity to you guys. 1871 NL CL1 CFC Cleveland Forest Citys National Association Grounds 1871 NL WS3 OLY Washington Olympics Olympics Grounds 1871 NL CH1 CHC Chicago White Stockings Union Base-Ball Grounds 1871 NL FW1 KEK Fort Wayne Kekiongas Kekionga Ball Grounds 1871 NL RC1 ROK Rockford Forest Citys Agricultural Society Fair Grounds 1871 NL TRO TRO Troy Haymakers Haymakers' Grounds 1872 NL BL1 BLC Baltimore Canaries Newington Park 1872 NL BR2 BRA Brooklyn Atlantics Capitoline Grounds 1872 NL MID MAN Middletown Mansfields Mansfield Club Grounds 1873 NL ELI RES Elizabeth Resolutes Waverly Fairgrounds 1874 NL HR1 HNA Hartford Dark_Blues Hartford Ball Club Grounds 1875 NL KEO WES Keokuk Westerns Perry Park 1875 NL NH1 NHV New Haven Elm_Citys Hamilton Park 1875 NL PH3 CEN Philadelphia Centennials Centennial Grounds 1875 NL SL1 SLR St. Louis Red Stockings Red Stocking Baseball Park 1876 NL LS1 LGR Louisville Grays Louisville Baseball Park 1878 NL ML2 MLG Milwaukee Grays Milwaukee Base-Ball Grounds 1878 NL PRO PRO Providence Grays Messer Street Grounds 1878 NL IN3 IBL Indianapolis Blues South Street Park 1879 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Riverside Park 1880 NL WOR WOR Worcester Ruby Legs Worcester Driving Park Grounds 1882 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Oakdale Park 1882 NL TRN TRT Troy Trojans Troy Ball Club Grounds 1883 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans Polo Grounds I West Diamond 1884 AL CL5 CBK Columbus Buckeyes Recreation Park I 1884 NL BFN BUF Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park I 1884 AL TL1 TL1 Toledo Blue Stockings League Park 1884 AL RIC RIC Richmond Virginians Allen Pasture 1884 AL IN2 IN2 Indianapolis Hoosiers Seventh Street Park 1884 AL WS7 WS7 Washington Statesmen Athletic Park 1884 AL SLU SLM St. Louis Maroons Union Base Ball Park 1884 AL ALT ALT Altoona Mountain City Columbia Park Aloona or Fourth Avenue Grounds 1884 AL BLU BLU Baltimore Monumentals Belair Lot or Union Association Grounds 1884 AL BSU BRD Boston Reds Union Athletic Grounds 1884 AL KCU KCU Kansas City Cowboys Athletic Park KC 1884 AL MLU MLU Milwaukee Brewers Wright Street Grounds 1884 AL PHU PHK Philadelphia Keystones Keystone Park 1884 AL WIL WIL Wilmington Quicksteps Union Street Park 1884 AL WSU WNA Washington Nationals Capital Grounds 1886 NL KCN KCN Kansas City Cowboys Association Park I 1886 AL NY4 NYP New York Metropolitans St. George Cricket Grounds 1886 NL WS8 WNL Washington Nationals Swampdoodle Grounds 1887 AL CL3 CLV Cleveland Blues National League Park II 1887 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park I 1887 NL PHI PHI Philadelphia Quakers National League Park 1883-1894 1888 NL IN3 IND Indianapolis Hoosiers Athletic Park II 1889 AL CL6 CLS Columbus Solons Recreation Park II 1889 AL KC2 KCC Kansas City Cowboys Exposition Park 1890 AL BR4 BRG Brooklyn Gladiators Ridgewood Park 1890 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders National League Park 1890 AL RC2 ROC Rochester Broncos Culver Field I 1890 AL SR2 SYS Syracuse Stars Star Park II 1890 AL BL3 BLO Baltimore Orioles Oriole Park 1891 NL CL4 CLV Cleveland Spiders League Park I 1891 AL ML3 MLA Milwaukee Brewers Athletic Field 1891 AL PH4 PHA Philadelphia Athletics Athletic Park 1891 AL WS9 WAS Washington Statesmen Boundary Field 1890 PL BFP BFB Buffalo Bisons Olympic Park II 1890 PL CLP CLI Cleveland Infants Brotherhood Park 1890 PL PHP PHQ Philadelphia Quakers Forepaugh Park 1890 PL PTP PBB Pittsburgh Burghers Exposition Park III NYG New York Gothams Polo Grounds I Southeast Diamond

09-16-2024, 09:38 PM	#186
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,484	Olympic Fields will take care of a few Washington teams. There were so many Washington teams back then. I think there is debate over whether the 1873 Washington blue legs were decended from the 1872 Olympics, 1872 Nationals or a completely new expansion team.

09-17-2024, 09:12 AM	#187
asrivkin Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 314	Just a very quick note for now and following up dfswans--I already had my eye on a few of these (like Swampoodle Grounds), and some of them are in Garlon's list and are in progress (like the Baltimore ones, one of which should be showing up here before too long). I also think there's a good chance that, as speculated, some parks might show up multiple times on the list with different names. My gut feeling is that practically any park in NYC (and most in Boston and Chicago) will have some information. I believe I saw some decent info about at least some Indianapolis parks. Some really will be almost entirely fictional, as I think everyone understands. In any case, I'm happy to do my share of completing the list as best we can!

09-22-2024, 10:55 AM	#190
oosl Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2024 Posts: 75	Thanks for all you're doing on these great parks. I know this doesn't fit the time period we are talking about (but I am not sure if you're checking the "Jazz Age" thread as much anymore, but would love to put in another request for Greenlee Field if that's possible). Thanks again for all you're doing, love using these parks.

09-22-2024, 11:11 AM	#191
asrivkin Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 314	Oh, yes--I've been focusing my modeling time here, but I should give that other thread more love. I'll see what I can do in coming weeks!

09-22-2024, 05:11 PM	#193
zappa1 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 2,115	Really good stuff. I think you are even getting better at it especially with the backgrounds. Getting more experience as you go.

09-23-2024, 10:47 AM	#195
oosl Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2024 Posts: 75	I should add that in addition to Greenlee Field the other I would really like to see is Bush Stadium (the original Victory Field) in Indianapolis, (the one that is now apartments. That's my other big Jazz Age request.

09-29-2024, 05:46 PM	#197
asrivkin Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Maryland Posts: 314	A word or two about home fields for early Chicago teams OK, so. In real life, the Chicago White Stockings aka Cubs played most of the 1871 season at the Union Base Ball Grounds (aka a few other things) until the Great Fire destroyed it and made them a road team. The White Stockings then went on hiatus 1872-1873 before rejoining the National Association in 1874. The 23rd Street Grounds was built in 1872, but since the White Stockings were on hiatus, they didn't start playing there until 1877. So, it makes sense for 23rd Street Grounds to be the Chicago home park starting in 1872 if you have that team playing, especially since the Union Base Ball Grounds were destroyed. The 1871 park was on the same site as the later Lake Front Park, used 1878-1884. In kicking around various possibilities, I think a Union Base Ball Grounds model will look a whole lot like the existing Lake Front Park model, given how little is known. I could just take Boston's 1871 grandstand and put it in place of the other grandstand, but after discussing with Garlon I think what makes the most sense is just using the existing Lake Front Park model in 1871 in addition to the later years. Having said that, I hate disappointing people, so if there's a hue and a cry I could revisit this (or another modder can!). So, I think that leaves the Capitoline Grounds and Newington Park, both of which I think I have enough information for to make modeling worth a go. I also started on Greenlee Field, so hopefully I'll be able to post that in the other thread before too long!

09-29-2024, 06:34 PM	#198
LansdowneSt Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: From Duxbury, Mass residing Baltimore Posts: 7,189	Kennard looks great. Everything but the tree in the outfield - and that's probably for the best! https://www.thereusedtobeaballpark.c...d-street-park/ __________________ Complete Universe Facegen Pack 2.0 (mine included) https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi...k_2.0.zip/file Just my Facegen Pack: https://www.mediafire.com/file_premi..._Pack.zip/file

09-30-2024, 10:05 AM	#199
Ty Cobb Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Grayling, MI Posts: 4,573	The old stadiums are progressing so well. As I've stated elsewhere, I'm definitely getting off my can to do my Great Lakes League and copping a bunch of these for the small venues many of the teams will play in. __________________ "You could not live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Thanos

09-30-2024, 02:14 PM	#200
BaseballMan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 6,484	Seems like quite a few ballparks were officially called League Park. I try to use the official name of a park except in some cases where a park is more recognized by another name. I use the yankee stadium I, II, and III ballparks but i just keep the name Yankee Stadium. Thinking of keeping the Comiskey Park name for the White Sox instead of that Guaranteed Rate nonsense. However i would then be tempted to get rid of all the brand name ballparks. I know its revenue but hey have a good brand name for the ballpark. At least Target Field sounds like a sports activity. Guaranteed rate sounds like an black friday discount sale. Then again it might make sense after this White Sox season.