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I Am The Game · 04-14-2003, 01:21 PM

I agree Hamilton should be in the set as it hasn't been said he's done. Anyway, he is slated to start the year in Double-A, but maybe DLing him for "Personal Reasons" for 30 days (a month obviously..) would be a nice middle to meet.

TippsBRM · 04-14-2003, 02:01 PM

With the new patch out we need the new rosters! Can't wait to start my season...thx, GF!

Mariner and Giants Fan · 04-14-2003, 02:11 PM

Any chance that those rosters will be out before this weekend?

chinaski · 04-14-2003, 02:18 PM

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Any chance that those rosters will be out before this weekend?

really gotta read the thread.... GForce has posted this so many times. including today.

Mariner and Giants Fan · 04-14-2003, 02:21 PM

I did read it and he said no later than next Sunday, so I was owndering if there is a chance that it could be this Friday. No harm in asking that.

chinaski · 04-14-2003, 02:25 PM

Sorry, heres what he posted this morning....

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as for the roster set. It will DEFINITELY be out by April 20, but I probably can't hit the 15th. I basically lost the weekend for the project as we did some celebrating for my wife's birthday, which was obviously more important. Where I'm at:

If there's any way I can get it out tomorrow night I will, but it's probably going to take a couple of days to get these last things done and test it a bit, simming out a few years, checking finances, ratings and such. Seeing how the draftees go, etc.

But it will DEFINITELY be out by Sunday.

DCHepler25 · 04-14-2003, 05:30 PM

GH...

First sorry about the lateness...I too lost the weekend to some other things that came-up. But I now have fan interest numbers that are very close to what I was striving for. Now I know that some people will voice their concerns and criticisms, but please remember that I was shooting for numbers that would give us attendance figures similar to 2002. I did project some teams' attendance figures upward for 2003, because of new stadiums, playing in San Juan, and have several good seasons in-a-row, esp. after poor seasons.

All of this testing and research has lead me to these conclusions:
1. No matter how low we set Florida's fan interest, their real 2002 attendance figures can not be duplicated in the game. They are always higher - 500k on average.
2. All of the fan interest numbers are low, so maybe real baseball isn't in that good of shape - like we didn't know that already!!

One final note before the ratings. For Montreal, their rating works overall, for playing all their games in Montreal. If you plan on manually changing their home stadium for the 25 games they are going to play in San Juan, I suggest setting their fan interest to 1(one) for the games in Montreal and 75 for those in San Juan. I have not tested this yet, so I will try to do that this week and let everyone know what numbers I come up with before the roster is released.

The Ratings:
Anaheim - 51, Arizona - 64, Atlanta - 45, Baltimore - 52, Boston - 86, Chicago A - 11, Chicago N - 66, Cincinnati - 75, Cleveland - 54, Colorado - 54, Detroit - 15, Florida - 1, Houston - 51, Kansas City - 4, Los Angeles - 59, Milwaukee - 27, Minnesota - 36, Montreal - 10, New York A - 71, New York N - 60, Oakland - 36, Philadelphia - 20, Pittsburgh - 18, San Diego - 33, San Francisco - 85, Seattle - 79, St. Louis - 53, Tampa Bay - 5, Texas - 35, and Toronto - 11.

Please feel free to test these numbers yourself. I think everyone will see that they come reasonably close to 2002 attendance figures. Again, there will be fluctuation based on performance.

GForce22 · 04-14-2003, 05:57 PM

did all these go with the loyalty ratings I last gave?

Have you simmed out multiple seasons? I'm curious what happens to the fan interest numbers when you get into season 2.

Will be interesting to see the results as odd as some of those numbers look. But I trust ya, as I know you've put a lot of work into this. Thanks for the help.

GH

bhlloy · 04-14-2003, 08:22 PM

With the 5.10 patch and the latest version of your rosters, one of the Detroit starters (can't remember which one sorry - I don't have the game on this computer and I can't check at the moment) doesn't have a throwing arm.

Hadn't noticed this before the patch so wondering if it's something to do with that. Apologies if this has already been spotted.

y2kornhusker · 04-14-2003, 09:25 PM

G, the addition of college/high school prospects for the draft is appreciated.

Looking forward to the set very much

GForce22 · 04-15-2003, 02:51 AM

that pitcher was tim kalita and he has been fixed. It was my error, a typo in the csv, nothing related to the patch.

GH

DCHepler25 · 04-15-2003, 08:17 AM

GH...

No I haven't simmed multiple seasons with those numbers yet. I would assume that we should see typical results though. Teams that consistantly do good, their fan interest numbers will move up accordingly, and you will get better attendance or you will be able to raise the ticket price. These numbers do go with the revised market sizes you gave me and the new fan loyalty settings I gave you. Also in each season, all teams' ticket prices started at $10. When I was looking through the info I did notice that some teams lowered theirs throughout the season, and that would account for some inflated attendance numbers, esp. Florida - I just couldn't duplicate their 2002 numbers no matter what I did.

Anyway, I do plan on simming through multiple seasons today and tomorrow. I will be sure to post my results here for everyone to see.

GForce22 · 04-15-2003, 09:15 AM

DC,

My only concern was that the computer after season one would set fan interest numbers closer to how it had them originally, that it would change what we enter. If not, that's great.

Thanks again for the efforts!

GH

GForce22 · 04-15-2003, 12:04 PM

update 4/15

depth charts and lineups for 8 teams remaining. This is good, because it's the biggest thing I needed to do. Should finish them tonight. Then it's a bunch of little tedious kind of additions/changes just to fine tune the file.

GH

OzzieFan · 04-15-2003, 01:44 PM

A comment on fan interest in St Louis. I believe that 53 is exceptionally low, don't you think? This is a team that has drawn over 3 million in attendance for years now. So, how is a 53 a valid representation of this?

It makes me wonder how this entire list was gathered...

Chris

I Am The Game · 04-15-2003, 01:50 PM

I guess the same way Boston is 86 and they sell out almost every game. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me either.

GForce22 · 04-15-2003, 01:52 PM

ozzie,

obviously we don't have the numbers in front of us, but what he was doing was messing with fan interest numbers that, combined with loyalty and market size ratings, would give an attendance figure close to last year's attendance. Don't so much question the fan interest # in and of itself...but ask if the attendance figure that comes from that is about the proper attendance. That's the goal. I understand his numbers look off a bit, but remember, you've got a bunch of different variables at work here. If low interest numbers across the board get you to the proper attendance number, that's what you want.

GH

I Am The Game · 04-15-2003, 01:58 PM

I understand that, but wouldn't a place like Boston with great loyalty, a great market and constant sell outs have a higher then 86 fan interest?

St.Louis isn't a huge market, but still very good loyalty and lots of sell outs, should give a higher then 51.

I think the fan interest numbers should be questioned because with a 51 you won't sell out any games, and therefore won't come to the attendance figure.

But if DC can give us those numbers you were talking about, maybe it will help.

chinaski · 04-15-2003, 02:05 PM

Read GForces post again, he posted the answer to your question.

But ill give it a shot.... they are compensating for deficiencies in the game. Youll notice that 86 is the highest out of those listed. using 86 should hopefully reproduce the attendance numbers from last year. Anything higher would produce numbers greater than what the red sox really put up.

Bravo 1/5 USHA · 04-15-2003, 03:18 PM

I am not sure but it appears to me, from what I read in DChelper's post, is that he messed with ALL the numbers, fan interest, fan loyalty, and market size to come up with a mix that helps to match the attendance figures from last year. Isn't that what we want? He says, "Please feel free to test these numbers yourself. I think everyone will see that they come reasonably close to 2002 attendance figures. Again, there will be fluctuation based on performance."

When he says that he thinks we will see that they come reasonably close it means that he at least simmed one season (I think).

If he set the fan loyalty at 1 and you still raked in 3 million+ fans a year...who cares what the interest # is.....I believe gforce said it correctly...who cares about the individual numbers...what we want to see is the attendance figures come out accurately (and whatever mix of numbers provides that is what we should want).

Final caveat.....anybody can change the numbers to whatever they see fit...so it really isn't (or at least shouldn't be...IMHO.....) that big a deal.

In a side note...THANKS DCHELPER AND GFORCE FOR THE HUGE EFFORTS ON YOUR PART!

BRAVO

edit: PS - If the loyalty or interest numbers being so low REALLY REALLY bother you (but the attendance does come out right) then it is an OOTP coding issue and your beef should really be with OOTP, not DChelper as he is working with what OOTP provided.

04-14-2003, 02:01 PM	#182
TippsBRM Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DTW Posts: 28	With the new patch out we need the new rosters! Can't wait to start my season...thx, GF! __________________ Cincinnati Reds : OOTPv5

04-14-2003, 02:11 PM	#183
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,265	Any chance that those rosters will be out before this weekend? __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

04-14-2003, 02:21 PM	#185
Mariner and Giants Fan All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Port Townsend, WA. Posts: 1,265	I did read it and he said no later than next Sunday, so I was owndering if there is a chance that it could be this Friday. No harm in asking that. __________________ Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"

04-14-2003, 05:30 PM	#187
DCHepler25 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 1,491	GH... First sorry about the lateness...I too lost the weekend to some other things that came-up. But I now have fan interest numbers that are very close to what I was striving for. Now I know that some people will voice their concerns and criticisms, but please remember that I was shooting for numbers that would give us attendance figures similar to 2002. I did project some teams' attendance figures upward for 2003, because of new stadiums, playing in San Juan, and have several good seasons in-a-row, esp. after poor seasons. All of this testing and research has lead me to these conclusions: 1. No matter how low we set Florida's fan interest, their real 2002 attendance figures can not be duplicated in the game. They are always higher - 500k on average. 2. All of the fan interest numbers are low, so maybe real baseball isn't in that good of shape - like we didn't know that already!! One final note before the ratings. For Montreal, their rating works overall, for playing all their games in Montreal. If you plan on manually changing their home stadium for the 25 games they are going to play in San Juan, I suggest setting their fan interest to 1(one) for the games in Montreal and 75 for those in San Juan. I have not tested this yet, so I will try to do that this week and let everyone know what numbers I come up with before the roster is released. The Ratings: Anaheim - 51, Arizona - 64, Atlanta - 45, Baltimore - 52, Boston - 86, Chicago A - 11, Chicago N - 66, Cincinnati - 75, Cleveland - 54, Colorado - 54, Detroit - 15, Florida - 1, Houston - 51, Kansas City - 4, Los Angeles - 59, Milwaukee - 27, Minnesota - 36, Montreal - 10, New York A - 71, New York N - 60, Oakland - 36, Philadelphia - 20, Pittsburgh - 18, San Diego - 33, San Francisco - 85, Seattle - 79, St. Louis - 53, Tampa Bay - 5, Texas - 35, and Toronto - 11. Please feel free to test these numbers yourself. I think everyone will see that they come reasonably close to 2002 attendance figures. Again, there will be fluctuation based on performance. __________________ Raise the Jolly Roger!

04-14-2003, 08:22 PM	#189
bhlloy Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 26	With the 5.10 patch and the latest version of your rosters, one of the Detroit starters (can't remember which one sorry - I don't have the game on this computer and I can't check at the moment) doesn't have a throwing arm. Hadn't noticed this before the patch so wondering if it's something to do with that. Apologies if this has already been spotted. __________________ Stand by me my apprentice. Be brave, clench fists.

04-14-2003, 01:21 PM	#181
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	I agree Hamilton should be in the set as it hasn't been said he's done. Anyway, he is slated to start the year in Double-A, but maybe DLing him for "Personal Reasons" for 30 days (a month obviously..) would be a nice middle to meet.

04-14-2003, 05:57 PM	#188
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	did all these go with the loyalty ratings I last gave? Have you simmed out multiple seasons? I'm curious what happens to the fan interest numbers when you get into season 2. Will be interesting to see the results as odd as some of those numbers look. But I trust ya, as I know you've put a lot of work into this. Thanks for the help. GH

04-14-2003, 09:25 PM	#190
y2kornhusker Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 135	G, the addition of college/high school prospects for the draft is appreciated. Looking forward to the set very much __________________ Omaha Commanders - BBSC Classic Draft League Seattle Mariners - BBSC Current Draft League Philadelphia A's - BBSC Historical Replay League

04-15-2003, 02:51 AM	#191
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	that pitcher was tim kalita and he has been fixed. It was my error, a typo in the csv, nothing related to the patch. GH Last edited by GForce22; 04-15-2003 at 11:18 AM.

04-15-2003, 08:17 AM	#192
DCHepler25 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Western Pennsylvania Posts: 1,491	GH... No I haven't simmed multiple seasons with those numbers yet. I would assume that we should see typical results though. Teams that consistantly do good, their fan interest numbers will move up accordingly, and you will get better attendance or you will be able to raise the ticket price. These numbers do go with the revised market sizes you gave me and the new fan loyalty settings I gave you. Also in each season, all teams' ticket prices started at $10. When I was looking through the info I did notice that some teams lowered theirs throughout the season, and that would account for some inflated attendance numbers, esp. Florida - I just couldn't duplicate their 2002 numbers no matter what I did. Anyway, I do plan on simming through multiple seasons today and tomorrow. I will be sure to post my results here for everyone to see. __________________ Raise the Jolly Roger!

04-15-2003, 09:15 AM	#193
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	DC, My only concern was that the computer after season one would set fan interest numbers closer to how it had them originally, that it would change what we enter. If not, that's great. Thanks again for the efforts! GH

04-15-2003, 12:04 PM	#194
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	update 4/15 depth charts and lineups for 8 teams remaining. This is good, because it's the biggest thing I needed to do. Should finish them tonight. Then it's a bunch of little tedious kind of additions/changes just to fine tune the file. GH

04-15-2003, 01:44 PM	#195
OzzieFan Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Exton, PA Posts: 248	Fan Interest - observation A comment on fan interest in St Louis. I believe that 53 is exceptionally low, don't you think? This is a team that has drawn over 3 million in attendance for years now. So, how is a 53 a valid representation of this? It makes me wonder how this entire list was gathered... Chris Last edited by OzzieFan; 04-15-2003 at 02:24 PM.

04-15-2003, 01:50 PM	#196
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	I guess the same way Boston is 86 and they sell out almost every game. Doesn't seem to make much sense to me either.

04-15-2003, 01:52 PM	#197
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	ozzie, obviously we don't have the numbers in front of us, but what he was doing was messing with fan interest numbers that, combined with loyalty and market size ratings, would give an attendance figure close to last year's attendance. Don't so much question the fan interest # in and of itself...but ask if the attendance figure that comes from that is about the proper attendance. That's the goal. I understand his numbers look off a bit, but remember, you've got a bunch of different variables at work here. If low interest numbers across the board get you to the proper attendance number, that's what you want. GH

04-15-2003, 01:58 PM	#198
I Am The Game All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 691	I understand that, but wouldn't a place like Boston with great loyalty, a great market and constant sell outs have a higher then 86 fan interest? St.Louis isn't a huge market, but still very good loyalty and lots of sell outs, should give a higher then 51. I think the fan interest numbers should be questioned because with a 51 you won't sell out any games, and therefore won't come to the attendance figure. But if DC can give us those numbers you were talking about, maybe it will help.

04-15-2003, 02:05 PM	#199
chinaski Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: end of the bar Posts: 296	Read GForces post again, he posted the answer to your question. But ill give it a shot.... they are compensating for deficiencies in the game. Youll notice that 86 is the highest out of those listed. using 86 should hopefully reproduce the attendance numbers from last year. Anything higher would produce numbers greater than what the red sox really put up.

04-15-2003, 03:18 PM	#200
Bravo 1/5 USHA Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 108	I am not sure but it appears to me, from what I read in DChelper's post, is that he messed with ALL the numbers, fan interest, fan loyalty, and market size to come up with a mix that helps to match the attendance figures from last year. Isn't that what we want? He says, "Please feel free to test these numbers yourself. I think everyone will see that they come reasonably close to 2002 attendance figures. Again, there will be fluctuation based on performance." When he says that he thinks we will see that they come reasonably close it means that he at least simmed one season (I think). If he set the fan loyalty at 1 and you still raked in 3 million+ fans a year...who cares what the interest # is.....I believe gforce said it correctly...who cares about the individual numbers...what we want to see is the attendance figures come out accurately (and whatever mix of numbers provides that is what we should want). Final caveat.....anybody can change the numbers to whatever they see fit...so it really isn't (or at least shouldn't be...IMHO.....) that big a deal. In a side note...THANKS DCHELPER AND GFORCE FOR THE HUGE EFFORTS ON YOUR PART! BRAVO edit: PS - If the loyalty or interest numbers being so low REALLY REALLY bother you (but the attendance does come out right) then it is an OOTP coding issue and your beef should really be with OOTP, not DChelper as he is working with what OOTP provided. __________________ How 'bout dem Yanks! Last edited by Bravo 1/5 USHA; 04-15-2003 at 03:21 PM.