Do any leagues use an actual spring training?

sixfour210 · 03-04-2004, 03:16 PM

I think it would be agreat addition to any online league. GMs would be allowed to bring 50 players to spring training (50 is the max that the roster editor will allow). This would be a good feature when you're looking at a position battle at the beginning of the season or if you were trying to decide whether a rookie is ready for the big league roster.

Just watching spring training games this season already, I think it would be great if you could actually manage your top prospect and take a look at him each year until you think he's ready to break the club.

If anyone is interested, I'm simulating this year's spring training games on my web site with the roster set I'm creating. You can view it HERE

satchel · 03-04-2004, 03:39 PM

ATHL simulated their ST in their most recent season, as an experiment. I think they did anyway.

sixfour210 · 03-04-2004, 05:31 PM

So I take it you don't know how it turned out?

sporr · 03-04-2004, 06:26 PM

We had actual ST before our inagural season. I just schedules about 26 games in March. But we didn't have any of the development carry forward or anything and we haven't done it since.

rem · 03-04-2004, 07:52 PM

When I ran a mogul league, I typed up ST stats for non-game owners.

sixfour210 · 03-04-2004, 08:27 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
We had actual ST before our inagural season. I just schedules about 26 games in March. But we didn't have any of the development carry forward or anything and we haven't done it since.

Why didn't you keep it going?

Yeah, it makes sense to do it in a separate file and not have any bumps/hits carry over. I figure 32 games to see how your anyone in your organization would perform couldn't be a bad thing. You mighth find a guy like Furcal a couple years ago that is actually way ahead of where you thought he was. Pujols also comes to mind.

This is especialy a good idea in "talent only" leagues where you don't really know where they stand against major league pitching.

Spring Training would also be useful in determining when to actually call up a prospect that you don't want to waste a year's contract on him. You could see how he's doing in spring training and decide to keep him in the minors for the year and not waste a year by calling him up during the season.

SoxWin · 03-04-2004, 09:03 PM

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Originally posted by sixfour210
Why didn't you keep it going?

My guess since I'm not in Maelstrom is that it's alot of work for no real gain. If the talent hits/increases don't carry forward, what's the point?

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Yeah, it makes sense to do it in a separate file and not have any bumps/hits carry over. I figure 32 games to see how your anyone in your organization would perform couldn't be a bad thing. You mighth find a guy like Furcal a couple years ago that is actually way ahead of where you thought he was. Pujols also comes to mind.

This is especialy a good idea in "talent only" leagues where you don't really know where they stand against major league pitching.

Spring Training would also be useful in determining when to actually call up a prospect that you don't want to waste a year's contract on him. You could see how he's doing in spring training and decide to keep him in the minors for the year and not waste a year by calling him up during the season.

But if you're not carrying the results forward, how would you know to call up a kid or not? The beauty of OOTP is if you sim a season 100 different times with the same rosters, you'd get 100 different results. If the games don't really mean anything, running ST games with a separate league file seems like nice window dressing but not really worth anything.

Just my $0.02

sixfour210 · 03-04-2004, 09:36 PM

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Originally posted by SoxWin
But if you're not carrying the results forward, how would you know to call up a kid or not? The beauty of OOTP is if you sim a season 100 different times with the same rosters, you'd get 100 different results. If the games don't really mean anything, running ST games with a separate league file seems like nice window dressing but not really worth anything.

Just my $0.02

The point is that you can see how your prospects fare against major league talent to see if they're ready to make the club. This would also save you an unnecessary callup and waste money when you get 32 games to take a look at him for free instead of starting his option years at $300,000 for the next 3 years. You can delay this by deciding before the season even starts whether its a good idea to call him up at all.

Just because nothing carries over doesn't make it a bad idea. The only reason why I wouldn't carry anything over is because older players would lose out by taking hits in ST and taking even more in the regular season. Also, if you want to reset the stats after ST is done, injuries will also be reset.

LiftTheCurse · 03-04-2004, 09:42 PM

I would love it if one or both of the leagues i'm in ran Spring Training. Although i would want the injury's turned off. Would hate to see my Best player go down for a few months while playin ST ball.

sporr · 03-04-2004, 09:56 PM

We thought that actual ST games would benefit teams by allowing them to test out players. What we found out was that players who did very well during ST would often suck during the regular season. i.e. ST was too small of a sample size to show any real relationship to the actual stats the player would produce. In addition, it extended out our offseason by a few sims. We did it the first year basically to get everyone going in the league while we put the final touches on other areas - we gave them something to look at while we were polishing up the league and website. At the start of the 2nd season, we held a vote and ST was nearly unanimously voted against.

TopShelf · 03-04-2004, 10:14 PM

The League I am in uses Spring Training, its great

2 weeks of it, using it to see our newly picked up free agents and what not in spring training game

www.aaronsmart.com

on about day 6 now

sixfour210 · 03-04-2004, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by sporr
We thought that actual ST games would benefit teams by allowing them to test out players. What we found out was that players who did very well during ST would often suck during the regular season. i.e. ST was too small of a sample size to show any real relationship to the actual stats the player would produce. In addition, it extended out our offseason by a few sims. We did it the first year basically to get everyone going in the league while we put the final touches on other areas - we gave them something to look at while we were polishing up the league and website. At the start of the 2nd season, we held a vote and ST was nearly unanimously voted against.

Well isn't one year of testing it out also a small sample size. Maybe the next year you do find ST to make a difference by findind a couple guys that make a difference on your team.

Like I said before, this would only really be a good idea for "talent only" leagues.

JerseyPride · 03-04-2004, 10:42 PM

I think there was a thread similar to this one way-back-when. I know there is one league (not sure of the name) that actually runs a separate file for spring training, and then manually puts the rating changes/injuries/etc.. into the main season file.

03-04-2004, 03:16 PM	#1
sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	Do any leagues use an actual spring training? I think it would be agreat addition to any online league. GMs would be allowed to bring 50 players to spring training (50 is the max that the roster editor will allow). This would be a good feature when you're looking at a position battle at the beginning of the season or if you were trying to decide whether a rookie is ready for the big league roster. Just watching spring training games this season already, I think it would be great if you could actually manage your top prospect and take a look at him each year until you think he's ready to break the club. If anyone is interested, I'm simulating this year's spring training games on my web site with the roster set I'm creating. You can view it HERE __________________

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sixfour210 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,227	So I take it you don't know how it turned out? __________________

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LiftTheCurse Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Maine Posts: 633	I would love it if one or both of the leagues i'm in ran Spring Training. Although i would want the injury's turned off. Would hate to see my Best player go down for a few months while playin ST ball. __________________ http://lotg.christianbaseball.com Philadelphia Phillies/ NL President(1901)23-16 Best Record in the League http://www.ulb.simleaguecentral.com Baltimore Orioles 2004 AL EAST CHAMPION 2005:13-5:1st in AL East

03-04-2004, 06:26 PM	#4
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	We had actual ST before our inagural season. I just schedules about 26 games in March. But we didn't have any of the development carry forward or anything and we haven't done it since.

03-04-2004, 09:56 PM	#10
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	We thought that actual ST games would benefit teams by allowing them to test out players. What we found out was that players who did very well during ST would often suck during the regular season. i.e. ST was too small of a sample size to show any real relationship to the actual stats the player would produce. In addition, it extended out our offseason by a few sims. We did it the first year basically to get everyone going in the league while we put the final touches on other areas - we gave them something to look at while we were polishing up the league and website. At the start of the 2nd season, we held a vote and ST was nearly unanimously voted against.

03-04-2004, 10:14 PM	#11
TopShelf Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: B.C Canada Posts: 110	The League I am in uses Spring Training, its great 2 weeks of it, using it to see our newly picked up free agents and what not in spring training game www.aaronsmart.com on about day 6 now __________________ http://www.aaronsmart.com/]-(Founder)- "Don’t water the pavement. Position your sprinkler so water lands on the lawn not on pavement"

03-04-2004, 10:42 PM	#13
JerseyPride All Star Reserve Join Date: May 2003 Location: Dirtay Jerzey Posts: 951	I think there was a thread similar to this one way-back-when. I know there is one league (not sure of the name) that actually runs a separate file for spring training, and then manually puts the rating changes/injuries/etc.. into the main season file. __________________ "I guess you could call the Yanks my daddys." -Pedro Martinez