“Can’t miss prospect” fragile.

[hibees70]

Signed a highly coveted international free agent pitcher who’s only 17 but is already fragile.I don’t normally sign fragile players regardless of ability and if I offered him in a trade I could virtually name my price.
With him being so young is there a chance his health rating will improve?
Appreciate any advice.

[jpeters1734]

I've never seen any examples in my time playing where a player's injury proneness improves. However, I've seen plenty of examples where fragile players never end up with a significant injury

[jksander]

Fragile can improve in dev lab via "strength and conditioning"

[hibees70]

I didn’t know that.Thanks for your help
Oh,by the way,congrats on your two perfect pulls in the one pack.

[jksander]

Originally Posted by hibees70

I didn’t know that.Thanks for your help
Oh,by the way,congrats on your two perfect pulls in the one pack.

Damn ... famous in multiple forums! lol thanks

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I've never seen any examples in my time playing where a player's injury proneness improves. However, I've seen plenty of examples where fragile players never end up with a significant injury

This is why I turn the injury rating off and just go with actual facts (injury history)

Relying too much on ratings can lead to overthinking and detract from simply enjoying the game.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by hibees70

Signed a highly coveted international free agent pitcher who’s only 17 but is already fragile.I don’t normally sign fragile players regardless of ability and if I offered him in a trade I could virtually name my price.
With him being so young is there a chance his health rating will improve?
Appreciate any advice.

Is this prospect's name Mason Miller?

I don't *think* that will ever get better on its own although you can roll the dice on the development lab. If the kid is still very young and has a good work ethic it has an okay-ish chance to work out and if it doesn't... well, there's always the bullpen.

[jksander]

Originally Posted by SirMichaelJordan

This is why I turn the injury rating off and just go with actual facts (injury history)

Relying too much on ratings can lead to overthinking and detract from simply enjoying the game.

I find it can be helpful information to have in online leagues, but I can see how some folks would rather just go with what's there and not have that specific rating. It's definitely good to know when a player is durable though, and without the fragile rating, you'd never see that either.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by jksander

Fragile can improve in dev lab via "strength and conditioning"

I forgot about that! but I took the question to mean through regular development bumps or TCR

[jksander]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

I forgot about that! but I took the question to mean through regular development bumps or TCR

Yeah I've never seen it improve organically ...

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by jksander

I find it can be helpful information to have in online leagues, but I can see how some folks would rather just go with what's there and not have that specific rating. It's definitely good to know when a player is durable though, and without the fragile rating, you'd never see that either.

I agree, but it can be misleading with how the injury mechanics work. You could have a fragile prospect but could go his entire career without any significant injuries and he will still would be considered fragile. If fragile meant I had to be careful playing the guy too much and his body had some kind of “number” to it (something similar to FHM) the rating would be more useful. As of now, it acts as a filter or qualifier and that’s getting too technical and you could eventually miss out on good players. I rather keep it hidden and just go with what his injury history says.

[Syd Thrift]

Nah, some guys are an arm injury waiting to happen, whether they’ve actually had one or not, and that’s what that early Fragile rating is for.

[Pelican]

I would trade the guy now if you can still name your price, even if it's a lower ceiling guy who at least has a solid floor. But I tend to focus on short-term return, because I lack the patience to play long-running sims (plus feel the need to play games out, slowing things down considerably) - so take my advice with a grain of salt.

Realistically, you would have to baby the injury-prone phenom, if you decide to keep him, with innings limits and monitoring pitch counts, meaning he would likely arrive in MLB as a reliever.

[hibees70]

Thanks for the response,guys.
Reckon I’ll trade him.Even if he does realise his potential he’ll probably be a DeGrom.Fantastic when he’s fit but hardly ever fit.

[SirMichaelJordan]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

Nah, some guys are an arm injury waiting to happen, whether they’ve actually had one or not, and that’s what that early Fragile rating is for.

Yes, but that could happen year 1 or year 15.

Having a history or arm injury prior to being drafted then go 10 years without a significant arm injury, the player shouldn’t be tagged as fragile anymore especially considering his been working with professional team doctors his entire career.

Speaking of team doctors, they should come into play when making these decision but they are never a part of the discussion because the user see the injury rating and use it as a qualifier. They don’t really “play” the game as in drafting a can’t miss “injury prone” prospect but also invest in a great team doctor who may specialize in preventing arm injuries or arm rehab.

Arm
Leg
Back
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Injury proneness are hidden, these need to be clear on the profile page and visualized so the user can make proper decisions.

[Syd Thrift]

Some guys just have a weird pitching motion that is a walking injury multiplier. Mason Miller of the A’s is the best example I can think of right now but he’s not the only one by a long shot. He’s managed to not get hurt massively yet I don’t think but he’s also been pretty limited in terms of how much he’s been allowed to pitch at any level.

Otherwise the game just doesn’t walk back injury proneness. There’s now a way to do so in the development lab and it makes perfect sense that a guy like a 17 year old Fragile arm would be exactly who has the best chance to improve from it (you can think of that as literally changing his pitching mechanics). If anything I think the early run dev lab stuff works too much or else doesn’t have severe enough consequences (like, there’s a reason why the As have never messed with Mason Miller to a huge degree and it’s because he throws like 105). Perhaps a very discrete set of injuries / recoveries should do so - I’m thinking specifically of TJ - but it’s near universal that guys who get hurt a lot when they’re 22 don’t turn into iron men when they’re 32. I guess Randy Johnson had back issues one year but even at that, the Mariners soured on him because of the fear that he might become injury prone, not that he already was.

[md40022]

^^^ to this point, Steve Stone who was the Cubs' color-man at the time, said Kerry Wood would have injury problems throughout his career from the very second he saw him pitch. He said he saw it in his delivery.... and for as much of an arrogant fart-breather that Stoney can be at times, he was very well on record with nailing that one.

But when a guy's throwing 95+ with wipeout breaking stuff, and striking out 20 hitters less than a month into his big league career, how much "tweaking" do you want to do from a coaching standpoint.

It's just unavoidable with some guys... even when you do all the preventative stuff; pitch counts, innings limits, moving to the 'pen, etc.

[OutS|der]

The player is rated fragile due to their injury proneness rating. If it's high then they are fragile and have a high chance of an injury occurring compared to a normal player.

Lack of history just proves they have been lucky so far. It doesn't change the fact that they are still have a higher chance to get injured then someone else so they stay fragile.
Unless their proneness changes then they should stay fragile. History or not.