Pick off throw to first

[Invisible Witness]

Watching games in one pitched mode. I don't think it's necessary to be showing this in 2d when the player is safe. On top of that 2d keeps showing 2 consecutive pick off throws to first. Waste of time in one pitch mode in my opinion.

[Sweed]

Followed by complaints of "why doesn't the AI try to pick off runners"? Do you want to remove errant pitches too? I mean they're not wild pitches unless a runner advances, so no need to show any where the runner doesn't advance.

If you don't want to watch the game the simulate it, look at the box score and read the log. Or watch highlights and you won't see any of this, and can of course skip any innings where runs aren't scored. Theyr'e kind of a waste of time too.

[Invisible Witness]

One pitch mode - no need for that. Waste of time

[md40022]

I think they should go to true one-pitch mode and just show the pitch that results in the very final out of the game. Get rid of all the other waste of time stuff.

Seriously though, you can get through 9 innings of baseball in 15-20 minutes if you really zoom through it in one-pitch mode. It's hard to complain about that. If you're wanting to eliminate everything that happens prior to the final pitch of the at-bat then you are more or less saying eliminate pickoffs, wild pitches, passed balls, and stolen bases. As someone who also plays one pitch mode, I absolutely don't want that.

To Sweed's point, if your goal is getting to the end of the game ASAP without "wasting any time", then you most likely aren't thinking about much managerial strategy over the course of the game..... so why not just sim the whole game?

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by Sweed

If you don't want to watch the game the simulate it, look at the box score and read the log. Or watch highlights and you won't see any of this, and can of course skip any innings where runs aren't scored. Theyr'e kind of a waste of time too.

Originally Posted by md40022

To Sweed's point, if your goal is getting to the end of the game ASAP without "wasting any time", then you most likely aren't thinking about much managerial strategy over the course of the game..... so why not just sim the whole game?

How original... Once again people are trying to tell others how to enjoy the game.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

How original... Once again people are trying to tell others how to enjoy the game.

Original poster made indication that he is actually *not enjoying* the pick-off throws to first base. He cites it as being a waste of time, which would lead one to believe he is looking to complete the game a little bit quicker.

We are offering an alternative suggestion that might better meet his needs and therefore might provide what might be a more enjoyable experience.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by md40022

Original poster made indication that he is actually *not enjoying* the pick-off throws to first base. He cites it as being a waste of time, which would lead one to believe he is looking to complete the game a little bit quicker.

We are offering an alternative suggestion that might better meet his needs and therefore might provide what might be a more enjoyable experience.

Do you think that he does not know that simming the complete game is not an option? You are suggesting the obvious, which means you are not offering sincere advice

[md40022]

As the OP has 5 posts right now and just registered in August of 2023, I am not assuming that he does know if simming is an option.

Even if he did know that though, given that there isn't a solution (short of what we suggested) would the better scenario be to just leave the post sit with zero responses for that a potentially new OOTP user would not get any feedback at all? And then if we incorporate that same philosophy of "only respond when you have a concrete answer to solve the problem, void of all humor" across this entire board we could see if we could turn this message forum into a graveyard of silence, just like so many other message board over the years.

His specific post highlighted a part of the game that he doesn't personally enjoy - so accusing the responders of telling him how he should enjoy the game is, umm. Weird?

Not sure what prompted you to get huffy puffy on this one.... but take a few deep breaths. Again, the OP has 5 posts and just registered. We gave honest feedback.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by md40022

As the OP has 5 posts right now and just registered in August of 2023, I am not assuming that he does know if simming is an option.

Even if he did know that though, given that there isn't a solution (short of what we suggested) would the better scenario be to just leave the post sit with zero responses for that a potentially new OOTP user would not get any feedback at all?

And then if we incorporate that same philosophy of "only respond when you have a concrete answer to solve the problem, void of all humor" across this entire board we could see if we could turn this message forum into a graveyard of silence, just like so many other message board over the years.

His specific post highlighted a part of the game that he doesn't personally enjoy - so accusing the responders of telling him how he should enjoy the game is, umm. Weird?

Not sure what prompted you to get huffy puffy on this one.... but take a few deep breaths. Again, the OP has 5 posts and just registered. We gave honest feedback.

For the heck of it, took a look at the OP's other posts to see if he is in fact a new OOTP player.... Here is his only other post. Zero responses, absolute crickets. So, his first ever post on the forum gets no response. His 2nd ever post does get responses, but a wise veteran of the boards stomps his feet because the responses aren't up to his standards. LOLx10. God, I love the internet.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by jpeters1734

How original... Once again people are trying to tell others how to enjoy the game.

How original asking for things to be removed that others enjoy. Silence means approval. Not happening.

[Invisible Witness]

My only complain here is the pickoff sequence which is being shown twice in a row(sometimes 3 times) and yet a player is always safe. If you really need to show this play then show it once instead of back to back unless the player is out. I'm not saying to get rid off other plays like wild pitches, stolen bases etc. I really enjoy watching my games in 2d in one pitch mode I just don't think this double(sometimes triple) sequence is necessary as it slows things down. Leave that for pitch by pitch mode.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by Invisible Witness

My only complain here is the pickoff sequence which is being shown twice in a row(sometimes 3 times) and yet a player is always safe. If you really need to show this play then show it once instead of back to back unless the player is out. I'm not saying to get rid off other plays like wild pitches, stolen bases etc. I really enjoy watching my games in 2d in one pitch mode I just don't think this double(sometimes triple) sequence is necessary as it slows things down. Leave that for pitch by pitch mode.

One thing I will say for fact on this, when they do throw over to 1st a few times in a row - it's not a given that he's always safe.



I actually have long felt the pickoff success rate in OOTP is a little too high. I don't have a whole lot of support on that claim though, so that is what it is.... but I promise you that its not a forgone conclusion that the runner is always safe. Just wait til your slow catcher who should be glued to the bag gets picked off in a crucial situation - because that will happen at some point

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Invisible Witness

My only complain here is the pickoff sequence which is being shown twice in a row(sometimes 3 times) and yet a player is always safe. If you really need to show this play then show it once instead of back to back unless the player is out. I'm not saying to get rid off other plays like wild pitches, stolen bases etc. I really enjoy watching my games in 2d in one pitch mode I just don't think this double(sometimes triple) sequence is necessary as it slows things down. Leave that for pitch by pitch mode.

I think the problem there is it means your runner now has a better chance of stealing the base. IE you can send him knowing there won't be a throw. I believe the combo of you hitting the steal button and the AI throwing over increases the chance of being out.

Also, as md4002s notes they are not always safe. Rather, like real life, they mostly are. Besides being safe or out diving back, they can also find themselves in a rundown. Once in the rundown they are also able to make it to a base safely, ie it is not always an out. Add in of course the errant throw that is possible with each throw over and you have another possible outcome. Throwing over is not risk free.

One could argue that the new rule does limit throws (well step offs) to two, but that's only been a rule for one year and it hasn't been added to the game. I would hope/think it will be in v25? This rule if added, like the 3 batters must be faced by a RP, would need to be either a checkbox or selectable from a menu.

For the time being limiting throws now would be limiting them for all years.

[Swiffle]

This was a mild annoyance in previous years of OOTP, when if you had a speedy runner on first, I definitely saw double digits of throws over to first during a single at-bat. Including occasional backpicks to first by the catcher as well. As it is now, it's a quick animation, only results a couple lines of play-by-play, so I think this is fine as is. I note that in one-pitch mode, the game log won't show individual throws over to first, unless it's an out, an error, or rundown.

I don't have numbers, but the 2023 rules on pickoff throws do change the game slightly. So I suppose it's worth updating pickoff chances, limits, and the running game.

[Invisible Witness]

I think we are going off the topic here a bit. Again, the ask here is just to show this sequence/animation only once instead of multiple times in a row. I just finished watching another game and I had to watch pitcher throw ball to first base 5 times in a row and nothing happened. Anyway it seems like nobody really mind this so I'll just move on. Thanks for input.

[md40022]

Originally Posted by Invisible Witness

I think we are going off the topic here a bit. Again, the ask here is just to show this sequence/animation only once instead of multiple times in a row. I just finished watching another game and I had to watch pitcher throw ball to first base 5 times in a row and nothing happened. Anyway it seems like nobody really mind this so I'll just move on. Thanks for input.

Do you mind if I ask if you're new to the game or not? I don't ask that as a put down in any way --- welcome to OOTP if you are in fact new. I'm just curious because you said you were just watching a game. I respect the heck out of that, but I only bring it up because other users here either straight up sim everything or manage the MLB games of their team without watching the other games. And not that there is a right or wrong way to play the game, but being able to take this game YEARRRRSSSS deep and see your prospects develop and see the fruits of your GM'ing is a big part of the game. Watching games is in fact time consuming and would limit you from taking the game as deep as others take it. In that regard I could see the pickoff attempts as being an annoyance.



And I'm not saying there's a right or wrong way. I manage every single game of my MLB team and for that reason I only normally get 5 or so years deep before the next OOTP version releases, and then I normally scrap at start fresh. I know there's a lot of users here that are like 1000000 years into the game because they sim --- so backtracking to the original comments, simming out the games wasn't a sarcastic response, that's why that little bit of static surprised me haha.



When the pitcher throws over a few times, I promise you that you'll see some successful pickoffs (or run downs or thrown away balls) if you give it time - and at the end of the day 1 pick off thrw wastes maybe 3 seconds. 5 straight pickoff throws, while a little annoying, wastes 15 seconds.... all in all it's not a huge deal and it's something you'll learn to live with. Just have a spare monitor in your closet, because eventually when your fat catcher gets picked off in the 9th inning of a tied game and you smash your monitor --- you'll need the spare.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by md40022

Do you mind if I ask if you're new to the game or not? I don't ask that as a put down in any way --- welcome to OOTP if you are in fact new. I'm just curious because you said you were just watching a game. I respect the heck out of that, but I only bring it up because other users here either straight up sim everything or manage the MLB games of their team without watching the other games. And not that there is a right or wrong way to play the game, but being able to take this game YEARRRRSSSS deep and see your prospects develop and see the fruits of your GM'ing is a big part of the game. Watching games is in fact time consuming and would limit you from taking the game as deep as others take it. In that regard I could see the pickoff attempts as being an annoyance.



And I'm not saying there's a right or wrong way. I manage every single game of my MLB team and for that reason I only normally get 5 or so years deep before the next OOTP version releases, and then I normally scrap at start fresh. I know there's a lot of users here that are like 1000000 years into the game because they sim --- so backtracking to the original comments, simming out the games wasn't a sarcastic response, that's why that little bit of static surprised me haha.



When the pitcher throws over a few times, I promise you that you'll see some successful pickoffs (or run downs or thrown away balls) if you give it time - and at the end of the day 1 pick off thrw wastes maybe 3 seconds. 5 straight pickoff throws, while a little annoying, wastes 15 seconds.... all in all it's not a huge deal and it's something you'll learn to live with. Just have a spare monitor in your closet, because eventually when your fat catcher gets picked off in the 9th inning of a tied game and you smash your monitor --- you'll need the spare.

I think you would be surprised by how many of us don't manage, or gm and simply watch the AI battle it out. It's my favorite way to play. Earlier you talked about being able to play a game in around 15 minutes. I would have quit playing OOTP years ago if it took that long to watch a game. I don't watch the 3D animation though. I simply read the play result. My current random debut league started in 1992 and is now in 2019. I will sometimes watch 1 game per day for the entire season. Sometimes I sim till August 1st or September 1st and watch a game per day during the pennant chase. I watch all post season games. One of my favorite additions to OOTP will always be the addition of short play by play, instant. I actually wouldn't mind if they took it one step further and offered the option of a result only play by play. I know the old Strat computer version offered result only and I loved it. Wouldn't want them to spend a lot of time on it though, as the short play play instant works just fine.

I haven't really been bothered by the pickoff attempts while watching games. I do remember way way back in the day when foul balls were quite annoying, but they quickly did something to alleviate that.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by md40022

As the OP has 5 posts right now and just registered in August of 2023, I am not assuming that he does know if simming is an option.

It's insulting to everyone's intelligence that you think anyone that has played the game more than 5 minutes can't figure out that they can sim games instead of watching them.

[md40022]

Get over it. The original poster and the responders have had good conversation here.

The discussion only gets off track when you start yelling for people to get off your lawn. Go take a walk or something.

[jpeters1734]

Originally Posted by md40022

Get over it. The original poster and the responders have had good conversation here.

The discussion only gets off track when you start yelling for people to get off your lawn. Go take a walk or something.

I would if I had legs...