Cleveland Indians / Guardians

[drummerJ99]

Originally Posted by Harry Doyle

#1. This has nothing to do with OOTP. The MLB says you can't use name "Indians" if you want a license. OOTP choses to keep the license. No brainer.

According to first post it’s Cleveland and not MLB’s decision. Otherwise that’d affect minor league teams like Indianapolis Indians and Spokane Indians.

[BirdWatcher]

Originally Posted by drummerJ99

According to first post it’s Cleveland and not MLB’s decision. Otherwise that’d affect minor league teams like Indianapolis Indians and Spokane Indians.

Just to be clear, the Cleveland franchise is part of MLB.
So no, MLB has not universally banned the use of the word Indians.
But yes, MLB, at the behest of the Cleveland franchise, does say that if you are a licensee of MLB that you are not to use that name in any way for the Cleveland franchise.

I think the essential point that was being made was the decision was not made by OOTP, but they are abiding by the rules that come with being a licensee of MLB.

I realize that this is an emotionally fraught conversation (though, I'll admit I think all out of proportion with the actual nuanced realities) but all the more reason to do our best to take a dispassionate and rational approach to the facts.

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by joefromchicago

Larry Dolan owns the Cleveland Guardians. That doesn't mean, however, that he owns Cleveland. He can only reach as far back as his franchise goes, which is 1901. Before that, Cleveland teams should be unaffected by his decision. So we can expect that Cleveland clubs in the NA, NL, and AA will be fine.

Hope you're right since my only problem with this is or was that it would affect everything from Cleveland in the game... but it's kind of sad that we won't see the Cleveland Naps in the game if we don't manually change the name those years (from what I understood the Guardians name will only show up in the game in 1901).

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

You’re certainly free to call a team the Forest Citys, who by the way you’d have to create from scratch anyway because the game doesn’t at last count automatically “do” 19th century leagues with real rosters.

It doesn't? This is new to me since the game does it for me since the day the transaction database was created... You know that it starts in 1872 and everything works fine as long as you recreate the league structures every seasons from 1872 untill 1900 right?

[Harry Doyle]

Originally Posted by drummerJ99

According to first post it’s Cleveland and not MLB’s decision. Otherwise that’d affect minor league teams like Indianapolis Indians and Spokane Indians.

The Indians requested the MLB to enforce this requirement, so the initial fault is the Indians, but the MLB is the enforcer through risk of losing the MLB license.

[ChrisJNelson]

The racists have already outed themselves, how is this thread still going on?

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

It doesn't? This is new to me since the game does it for me since the day the transaction database was created... You know that it starts in 1872 and everything works fine as long as you recreate the league structures every seasons from 1872 untill 1900 right?

It didn’t a couple of versions ago. If that’s changed then great!

[GoBucsGo]

Originally Posted by ChrisJNelson

The racists have already outed themselves, how is this thread still going on?

Right .. the fact that they’re allowed to spew this nonsense is shocking

[jparker2112]

Please close this thread...enough is enough

[silvam14]

I agree this thread should be cleaned up to leave only the posts that have to do with how the changes affect the game.

Mods will have their work cut out for them this year.

[christophermichaels]

I get that people are discouraged to see names change. It feels like a strike against tradition. I would offer the only lasting tradition is change. Even for the game we all love...

[Ty Cobb]

The vitriol being dumped here is unbelievable. They're the Guardians now...deal with it. All this petty bickering is pointless.

I agree with you, Mr. Parker. Close the thread.

[Syd Thrift]

Man, I really, really wish that people would refrain from posting politics here. We had a politics subforum at one point but got rid of it last year because, frankly, this is a baseball game. I'm getting increasingly disconcerted with people posting and while I'd like to be a continued source of help on these fora, I have to admit that if I remember the usernames associated with this garbage fire then it's going to be harder. I'd really prefer to not have to remember who in here is a racist and who is not...

[AESP_pres]

Originally Posted by Syd Thrift

It didn’t a couple of versions ago. If that’s changed then great!

Lots of work around after every season to get the structure right, the correct teams and the correct schedule (TBH only one, forget the exact year, is a real pain since you must recreate the AA schedule from scratch). I think the transaction database started working with OOTP18 or 19, but you must select it before starting the simulation and it's in the other options.

If only everything was as smooth for the 19th century that it is when modern time hit in 1901... maybe someday.

And just to say it again: I don't care about the name change, I find it annoying that it is retroactive but if it's a choice between licensed or not the choice is obvious... I don't think anybody want to go back to fake teams, logos and players names era. But it looks like someone will create a file so for me the problem is solved.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by AESP_pres

Lots of work around after every season to get the structure right, the correct teams and the correct schedule (TBH only one, forget the exact year, is a real pain since you must recreate the AA schedule from scratch). I think the transaction database started working with OOTP18 or 19, but you must select it before starting the simulation and it's in the other options.

If only everything was as smooth for the 19th century that it is when modern time hit in 1901... maybe someday.

And just to say it again: I don't care about the name change, I find it annoying that it is retroactive but if it's a choice between licensed or not the choice is obvious... I don't think anybody want to go back to fake teams, logos and players names era. But it looks like someone will create a file so for me the problem is solved.

Never want to go back, but I please don't let me forget Hoyler Jones and Ralph Broadhead

[Syd Thrift]

I did a league by hand somewhere around 19 or 20 and I guess I'm surprised because there are straight up non-OOTP events in those leagues: teams folding mid-season, in at least one case a team being basically rebuilt out of one that just died and then played that schedule over the final month and a half. I guess for me one issue was that I did it with fictional players so I had to copy all of them over, but still... I also remember setting up the leagues by hand and learning brave new things about how the schedule works...

[kq76]

I've moved the affirmative action posts to an unapproved (hidden) thread in OT. We no longer have an OT Debates so if you want to argue affirmative action, please just take it elsewhere.

And this might change, but I'm not closing this thread because we've been asked to leave it open to leave a space for people to: 1) vent, and 2) figure out how best they can manage this in their leagues. If you don't want to read this thread, just don't.

[David Watts]

Originally Posted by kq76

I've moved the affirmative action posts to an unapproved (hidden) thread in OT. We no longer have an OT Debates so if you want to argue affirmative action, please just take it elsewhere.

And this might change, but I'm not closing this thread because we've been asked to leave it open to leave a space for people to: 1) vent, and 2) figure out how best they can manage this in their leagues. If you don't want to read this thread, just don't.

Holy cow, did they really get rid of OT Debates? What happened? Was there one final meltdown that led to its demise?

[tbugg]

Cleveland fan here! Everyone calm down. The name change is done and over and it's just time to move on. Thank God OOTP let's us fully customize teams so you can change whatever team name you want if you so choose. You can even make it more offensive than "indians" and no one will care what you do.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by David Watts

Holy cow, did they really get rid of OT Debates? What happened? Was there one final meltdown that led to its demise?

I think it was just generally trash for years and years and OOTPDev finally realized that it served no purpose on these fora. There was a time when there was a fairly vibrant off-topic community here but that was well over a decade ago and most of the Cool People (as well as a lot of the uncool ones) (for example Eckstein 4Prez) left. Rudy is still around from those days I guess...