Possible Cheating? - Page 3

SirOrion · 10-30-2003, 03:39 AM

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Originally posted by M_Bowers
To my recollection, when somebody's rating goes down, it's only the talent rating. So when you look in player development, atleast any time I ever did. It wouldn't say Joe Schmo went down from 4 to 3. Your arguement has nothing to it...you should stop while you aren't ahead.

-Mark Bowers

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SirOrion · 10-30-2003, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
I think that he should do what commish joe said to do, if I had known you could do that when i was accused I would have given him the 2 files to cloear my name.

And dont you think you would maybe be inclined to bump a player up that you knew would be a FA if you knew the team couldnt resign him, and wouldnt you try and do that to make it look like you didnt edit the ratings, because "they were good last year as well".

Just a hunch but these guys never should have been rated that high, and when I looked in his player development, it constantly had guys with the high ratings dropping down from where they were a little bit, not much but a little, showing that he bumped the ratings and they were slowly coming down becuse they werent bumped in the talent area.

Hm...What guys would you be referring to? You never knew about my league until the 2nd season began which was like, 2-3 weeks ago. And you can clearly see all my Player Development and really the only "good" person to decrease in talent ratings is Mike Timlin. And he's in AAA and rated like a 1.5 rating with a 3 in runs...

SirOrion · 10-30-2003, 03:54 AM

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Originally posted by SirOrion
::coughs:: This is my league, just so you all know the background of what's going on here, I accused mfitterer of cheating in his league so now he's trying to get back at me.

My league is currently in it's second season, 2004. We obviously started 2003. We used the 2002 stats from TotalMinors. I downloaded the file early/mid July, don't know what edition it is but oh well. Eyre and Rhodes I signed as free agents and I offered atleast a 1 million to 2 million more than any one else, which is why they are on my team. Foppert I traded for late in the offseason of 2003/2004 (actually 2004/2005 season). You can see who I traded. And all the spects that I acquired, you can see who I traded and you can also see their player development. I hope you all don't feel I cheated, but whatever your opinion is, well, your opinion.

Well if you guys want you can check out my league file and almanac. They can be found at:

http://allbaseball.staghost.com/AllBaseball.lg.zip = League file

http://allbaseball.staghost.com/Almanac.zip = 2003 Almanac

SpaceNinja · 10-30-2003, 04:08 AM

Don't worry, man, no one really suspects you of anything. A quick look over your league site shows no reason to be suspicious. Foppert and Rhodes' talent ratings are exactly where I would have expected them to be, and there's no reason to think Eyre is more than a regular lucky bump.

Contrary to what Mr. Fitterer thinks, we don't immediately brand people cheaters on a whim. Only when the evidence is overwhelming and the accused's only defense is insults and claims that he doesn't want to waste the time it would take to defend himself.

mfitterer1 · 10-30-2003, 05:25 PM

I NEVER ever said I wouldnt defend myself, you guys never gave me the chance to defend myself or hear my side of the story, I tried to tell everyone that i would explain my story but they had no intentions of listening to me about any of it.

They dont believe in innocent until proven guilty or right to defend yourself.

marc · 10-30-2003, 07:54 PM

I have been in leagues where Foppert was the #1 prospect or a top 10 atleast in the whole league, so im not buying it for a second. I'm also in a league where Rhodes is just as good as he is there, the guy isn't cheating man give it a rest.

mfitterer1 · 10-30-2003, 08:04 PM

man every league I have played in shows Pedro being the only pitcher I have ever seen in an online league being a 10 olong with Gagne

skkrrt · 10-30-2003, 11:06 PM

Rhoades is a 9 (or 10) upon the START of the total minors roster.

2nd its a message board, we cant cut you off, so why dont you just post your defence

3rd- stop breathing.

CommishJoe · 10-31-2003, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
man every league I have played in shows Pedro being the only pitcher I have ever seen in an online league being a 10 olong with Gagne

http://www.trueleaguebaseball.com/pl...e.php?pid=1333

mfitterer1 · 10-31-2003, 02:41 AM

I did say the only guy I have seen in leagues I have been in, that would mean that I was beasically saying modern day players, not fictional characters.

gpm22 · 10-31-2003, 03:46 AM

Fitterer, ratings differ. Its basically a judgement. There is no right way to view real life players or else there would be no use for scouts. There is a difference between what you did and what you "think" he did.

mfitterer1 · 10-31-2003, 04:12 AM

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There is a difference between what you did and what you "think" he did.

Correction, what I was wrongly accused of and not given a chance to refute.

Big difference

MTXperience · 10-31-2003, 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
Correction, what I was wrongly accused of and not given a chance to refute.

Big difference

On July 12th, you said:

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I will not respond to them because the league has already been shut down and there is no point inw asting al of my time in trying to explain everything to everyone because there is no way in hell they will ever believe it so its not even worth a shot.

You have ALWAYS made the choice not to provide good reasons for the MANY oddities which appeared in your league's HTML pages. You made the choice not to explain how players floated to your team from other teams. Would we have believed you, probably not. Why should we? The hard evidence, (long since deleteted, but much still "archived" on this board) was fairly damning. Anyone who knew anything, looked at your HTML output, and declared you a cheat. Your level of maturity displayed was the icing on the cake for most concerned, I'm sure.

Would we have believed you? I sure wouldn't have. But YOU made... and continue to make... the choice of not defending yourself.

mfitterer1 · 10-31-2003, 04:43 AM

Not true if you look I tried defending myself and people said it was a waste of my time as nobody would listen to anything I said.

Modern Relic · 10-31-2003, 09:30 AM

Denying something is not the same as defending yourself.

CommishJoe · 10-31-2003, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by mfitterer1
I did say the only guy I have seen in leagues I have been in, that would mean that I was beasically saying modern day players, not fictional characters.

Ben's not a "fictional character"

http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mil/te...layerid=424947

pat · 11-01-2003, 05:15 AM

yeah, ben diggins is real..

mfitterer1 · 11-01-2003, 05:23 AM

wow thats surprising I didnt know who he was.

Nildo · 11-16-2003, 08:33 PM

I'm in Dan's league and I'll vouch for him. While there have been a few instances where Dan made poor decisions regarding how one ought to manage a league, I do not believe he changed the player ratings. I tried to trade for Eyre before the 1st season's trading deadline because his numbers were great. I also made a competitive bid on him in free agency, but I was out bid by Dan. Like i said, Dan has made a few mistakes in the league, but I really doubt he'd go so far as to alter players ratings. There are much easier ways for a Commish to cheat the people in his league!

10-30-2003, 07:54 PM	#46
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	I have been in leagues where Foppert was the #1 prospect or a top 10 atleast in the whole league, so im not buying it for a second. I'm also in a league where Rhodes is just as good as he is there, the guy isn't cheating man give it a rest. __________________

10-30-2003, 11:06 PM	#48
skkrrt Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 410	Rhoades is a 9 (or 10) upon the START of the total minors roster. 2nd its a message board, we cant cut you off, so why dont you just post your defence 3rd- stop breathing. __________________ Tiger of the Week: Nate Robertson-3rd in the AL in strikeouts (24).

10-31-2003, 09:30 AM	#55
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	Denying something is not the same as defending yourself. __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

11-01-2003, 05:15 AM	#57
pat Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 2,748	yeah, ben diggins is real.. __________________ Co-Founder & Technical Director at ExaWeb Corporation, an SEO company in the Philippines. Previous Leagues - Time Warp Baseball / International Federation of Baseball / Professional Baseball Replay League / No Pepper Baseball League / MLB Pro Current OOTP 24 Leagues - Sim Sports Gaming - (2016-Present) Washington Nationals (2016-2022) *2017 Champions Oakland Athletics (2023-Present)

11-16-2003, 08:33 PM	#59
Nildo Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 23	My two cents I'm in Dan's league and I'll vouch for him. While there have been a few instances where Dan made poor decisions regarding how one ought to manage a league, I do not believe he changed the player ratings. I tried to trade for Eyre before the 1st season's trading deadline because his numbers were great. I also made a competitive bid on him in free agency, but I was out bid by Dan. Like i said, Dan has made a few mistakes in the league, but I really doubt he'd go so far as to alter players ratings. There are much easier ways for a Commish to cheat the people in his league!

10-30-2003, 04:08 AM	#44
SpaceNinja Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 92	Don't worry, man, no one really suspects you of anything. A quick look over your league site shows no reason to be suspicious. Foppert and Rhodes' talent ratings are exactly where I would have expected them to be, and there's no reason to think Eyre is more than a regular lucky bump. Contrary to what Mr. Fitterer thinks, we don't immediately brand people cheaters on a whim. Only when the evidence is overwhelming and the accused's only defense is insults and claims that he doesn't want to waste the time it would take to defend himself.

10-30-2003, 05:25 PM	#45
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	I NEVER ever said I wouldnt defend myself, you guys never gave me the chance to defend myself or hear my side of the story, I tried to tell everyone that i would explain my story but they had no intentions of listening to me about any of it. They dont believe in innocent until proven guilty or right to defend yourself.

10-30-2003, 08:04 PM	#47
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	man every league I have played in shows Pedro being the only pitcher I have ever seen in an online league being a 10 olong with Gagne

10-31-2003, 02:41 AM	#50
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	I did say the only guy I have seen in leagues I have been in, that would mean that I was beasically saying modern day players, not fictional characters.

10-31-2003, 03:46 AM	#51
gpm22 All Star Reserve Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 513	Fitterer, ratings differ. Its basically a judgement. There is no right way to view real life players or else there would be no use for scouts. There is a difference between what you did and what you "think" he did.

10-31-2003, 04:43 AM	#54
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	Not true if you look I tried defending myself and people said it was a waste of my time as nobody would listen to anything I said.

11-01-2003, 05:23 AM	#58
mfitterer1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 466	wow thats surprising I didnt know who he was.