And the MLB 2020 season negotiations begin

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

I'm detecting some facetiousness in Brad's post,

I know

And, there's a part of me that agrees with the just let the idiots run out and infect each other

But, there's another part of me that doesn't actually want people to get sick and die just because they've been fed a bunch of [bad information].

And much bigger part that thinks we need to keep reminding people, who have been fed bad information, that, yes, each person can can decide what risks to take for themselves. Lord knows i haven't lived my life they way a lot people would have liked me to. But, we don't have the right to risk other people's lives. My emergency medicine teacher taught me a lot of things I hope I don't forget. One of them was: "you don't gamble with other people's chips". When it comes to infectious diseases, yes, you're gambling with your own chips, but you're also gambling with everyone else's.

And way too many people don't seem to get that.

[monkeyman576]

The owners have no leverage. If the players don't agree to a proposal there will be no season and they'll make no money and everyone knows it. I don't know if they players will meet in the middle at 50% of what the owners want, but if I were the players I wouldn't settle for less than 75%. Unless the players just really just want to play baseball that badly which I doubt.

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

I know

And, there's a part of me that agrees with the just let the idiots run out and infect each other

But, there's another part of me that doesn't actually want people to get sick and die just because they've been fed a bunch of [bad information].

And much bigger part that thinks we need to keep reminding people, who have been fed bad information, that, yes, each person can can decide what risks to take for themselves. Lord knows i haven't lived my life they way a lot people would have liked me to. But, we don't have the right to risk other people's lives. My emergency medicine teacher taught me a lot of things I hope I don't forget. One of them was: "you don't gamble with other people's chips". When it comes to infectious diseases, yes, you're gambling with your own chips, but you're also gambling with everyone else's.

And way too many people don't seem to get that.

This is what drives me absolutely bananas every time I see these clowns interviewed. "I'll be fine. I'm healthy. The President doesn't wear a mask, so why should I wear one?" Hey ****head, you do realize that that mask is mostly for the protection of the people around you right? Sure, it protects you a little bit (until you touch your face), but it's mostly for others, and to stop the spread which, despite whatever your news/commentary sources are, is rampant right now. If you spread it to them, maybe they don't get sick, but they take it home to someone who's immunocompromised, or old, and maybe they get it, and don't have a good outcome. You. Don't. Have. To. Have. Symptoms. To. Have. It. And. Spread. It. Fack! Why is this so hard?

It may not be rampant where you're living right now, but remember that all it takes is one infected person. I think there were two hairdressers the other day somewhere that wound up infecting 100 people. Two...One hundred. Please wake up people. This is not rocket science. Yes, it's inconvenient, and somewhat uncomfortable, but isn't it worth it in order to stop the threat of a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus. How would these zipperheads have done in WWII in say England? "I WANT MAH FREEEDUM!!! (or is that FREE-DUMB? Ya gotta wonder) THIS IS FAHSCHISM!!!" This. Is. A. War. People. You just can't see the enemy, but it's there. It's real. It's happening. Right now. Goddamn it man! Wake the **** up!

[CBeisbol]

Max Scherzer's response

https://twitter.com/Max_Scherzer/sta...619691010?s=19

Two points
The players have already agreed to a pay cut
And if the owners want to plead poverty, open the books

[dkgo]

The owners aren't going to do anything. They know that they will win the court of public opinion because the public are morons.

"damn whiners getting paid milllions to play a game!!!! suck it up and get out there!!"

ignore that the other side are billionaires trying to save a small fraction of a percent of their net worth

[dkgo]

Somehow Mike Trout is the bad guy for refusing an 85% pay cut, but John J Fisher can stop paying all minor league players what amounts to one twentieth of one percent of his net worth and it's ok because times are tough.

[neugey]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

Max Scherzer's response

https://twitter.com/Max_Scherzer/sta...619691010?s=19

Two points
The players have already agreed to a pay cut
And if the owners want to plead poverty, open the books

I agree they should open the books. But it would look so crazy. Teams like the Pirates or Rays probably will reveal things are actually fairly dire. But the big fish like the Dodgers and Yankees probably have the finances to survive Covid and nuclear war combined. Good luck finding a one-size-fits-all solution for that.

[CBeisbol]

Originally Posted by neugey

I agree they should open the books. But it would look so crazy. Teams like the Pirates or Rays probably will reveal things are actually fairly dire. But the big fish like the Dodgers and Yankees probably have the finances to survive Covid and nuclear war combined. Good luck finding a one-size-fits-all solution for that.

MLB asked the highest paid players to subsidize the lower paid players
So, they already have the answer

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by CBeisbol

MLB asked the highest paid players to subsidize the lower paid players
So, they already have the answer

...And the truth comes out...And it's utterly, and completely unacceptable. Looks to me like the owners don't want to have any games this year, which I'm absolutely fine with. Just don't keep framing it as the players not wanting to play because that just isn't true at all. Of course, based on the history of baseball labour relations, that's far too much to ask, and the public just laps it up, and spews their vitriol at the players. Insane, but not completely unexpected.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

I'm detecting some facetiousness in Brad's post, but just in case there wasn't...

There was.

However if the church goers and protestors were approached with my idea, the church people would say "God doesn't protect me at a baseball game" and among the protesters we'd find, amazingly, not a single baseball fan.

[Brad K]

Originally Posted by neugey

I agree they should open the books. But it would look so crazy. Teams like the Pirates or Rays probably will reveal things are actually fairly dire. But the big fish like the Dodgers and Yankees probably have the finances to survive Covid and nuclear war combined. Good luck finding a one-size-fits-all solution for that.

If things are dire for the Pirates then there are a lot of people in Pittsburgh who would be happy to buy the team as a distressed merchandise price from the current POS owner. Turn it into a Packer style fan owned team.

[Syd Thrift]

Baseball would neeeeeeever agree to that. How would they possibly be able to collude against the players?

[actionjackson]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

This is what drives me absolutely bananas every time I see these clowns interviewed. "I'll be fine. I'm healthy. The President doesn't wear a mask, so why should I wear one?" Hey ****head, you do realize that that mask is mostly for the protection of the people around you right? Sure, it protects you a little bit (until you touch your face), but it's mostly for others, and to stop the spread which, despite whatever your news/commentary sources are, is rampant right now. If you spread it to them, maybe they don't get sick, but they take it home to someone who's immunocompromised, or old, and maybe they get it, and don't have a good outcome. You. Don't. Have. To. Have. Symptoms. To. Have. It. And. Spread. It. Fack! Why is this so hard?

It may not be rampant where you're living right now, but remember that all it takes is one infected person. I think there were two hairdressers the other day somewhere that wound up infecting 100 people. Two...One hundred. Please wake up people. This is not rocket science. Yes, it's inconvenient, and somewhat uncomfortable, but isn't it worth it in order to stop the threat of a highly contagious, potentially deadly virus. How would these zipperheads have done in WWII in say England? "I WANT MAH FREEEDUM!!! (or is that FREE-DUMB? Ya gotta wonder) THIS IS FAHSCHISM!!!" This. Is. A. War. People. You just can't see the enemy, but it's there. It's real. It's happening. Right now. Goddamn it man! Wake the **** up!

I should probably restate the hairdresser thing. 100 people were exposed to COVID-19 by two hairdressers, not 100 people were infected with COVID-19 by two hairdressers. That's still scary stuff, but it's not as dire as my original sentence.

[TheMaus2]

Originally Posted by actionjackson

A better revenue sharing system that helps out the smaller markets more? Hell yeah! Salary cap? Gawd no. Please Gawd no God please. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! !!!!

Salary caps look great on the surface, but a) they suppress the salaries of the people who are the show, and b) they result in terrible, terrible trades because teams have to consult the capologist all the time to make sure everything financial balances out. I want to see rebuilding teams be able to turn things around quicker (if they have any smarts) by trading their veterans for prospects, with no regard for money (aside from perhaps sending some to the receiving team to sweeten the deal, and increase the prospect haul). There's already a soft cap anyway. That's plenty of suppression of player salaries in my view.

I think an NBA style cap would make sense, tbh

[Syd Thrift]

Baseball doesn’t work like the NBA, and baseball is far, far less transparent compared to basketball. If baseball wants a cap, they need to open their books, and they’ve never agreed to open their books and so there we are.

[Arobbins]

Source: MLBPA delivered its proposal to the league on Sunday afternoon.

ª Schedule: 114 games, June 30-Oct. 31
• Two years of expanded playoffs
• $100 million of total deferred money
• Opt out for all players if they don’t want to play

https://twitter.com/EvanDrellich/sta...77887700377600

[Brad K]

The players are trying to have a season. The owners are trying to screw the players.

[CBeisbol]

Also look at the number of millionaire players who are paying minor leaguers when the billionaires decide they don't want to

And people believe the players are greedy

[monkeyman576]

MLBPA submitted their counterproposal.

*114 game season
*Full Salaries
*All star game and home run derby
*Pay for spring training 2.0
*Expanded playoffs for 2 years

[TheMaus2]

expanded playoffs