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Which is exactly what ubernoob is saying. So you're both right.
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I still like Rutschman as 2nd place in the catcher world. That 98 Pudge Rodriguez does add a little more depth at the top--a tossup between it and 100 Johnny Bench imo, with maybe Bench being slightly ahead (OBP).
The switch-hitter thing is just too sweet for me to discount. Plus, most of Pudge's best work will be done against LHPs and there aren't too many of those he'll face. I also think Rutschman's higher OBP more than counteracts Pudge's edge on defense. You can't really go wrong with 100 Josh Gibson, 100 Rutschman, 100 Bench, 98 Rodriguez, or 99 Berra. The 100 Mickey Cochrane is an offensive juggernaut as well.
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I would rank him above 98 Pudge and 100 Gibson as the three best catchers all-around.
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Well, you guys convinced me. After re-evaluating things and starting to appreciate he's a switch hitter and his numbers, I took the plunge and picked him up to replace Bench.
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I have also looked at this card over the past few weeks as the price has fallen. I will be curious to see what you think of his defense. That's what has stopped me from buying at the 150-160K price point so far.
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Whats wrong with his defense?
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I mainly worry about catcher ability and he holds up there. I'll keep an eye on the stealing to see if that arm hurts me.
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Do you see enough baserunning in perfect leagues for catcher arm to matter?
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That's the point. My Josh Gibson (arm 71) has a 30.8% CS in 1204 Games starded. The grand total is 362 caught runners which equates to an average of 1 steal attempt per game. Tim McCarver (arm 80) has been with me a bit longer and he has a 30.6% CS in 1636 games stated. The grand total is 415 caught runners which equates to 0,84 steal attempt per game. It looks like against a catcher with a weaker arm steal attempts go up a little bit, but the total number is still negligibile. As a disclaimer, all stats are for perfect leagues only.
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My Tim McCarver (arm 81) has 32% CS in 1825 GS, 449 CS or 0.78 attempts per game. My Yadier Molina (arm 91) has 36% CS in 1226 GS, 286 CS or 0.65 attempts per game. So they appear to run less on Molina. That's a pretty big sample size so I might conclude that I am seeing less attempts because I have good catcher arms. Of course, some of this depends upon the hold rating of your pitchers. Most of my staff has hold ratings better than 50%, the only one that does not is perfect Cy at 34%. |
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My hold ratings are in order of starter from 1-5:
69 64 63 14 63 So Pete Alexander (14) may get run on but it's not Adley's arm is awful, I just got him so we'll have to see.
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Yeah, his arm is as good as Josh Gibson's and the results above for Gibson are pretty good. It looks like he could more than offset any minor defensive weakness compared to my catchers with a better bat. Keep us posted while I save up some more points.
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I have a different take on this. The key thing to remember is that the break-even point for stolen bases to be worth it, is about 75%.
That means for any catcher with a CS rate above 25%, you don't actually want to discourage base-stealers. You want them to keep running. Therefore, high catcher arm ratings are actually counter-productive. |
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Sure, if you assume Orcin's stats are representative of how the game works. But that seems like cherry picking the data. There is a comment right above Orcins where Gibson & McCarver showed basically no difference at all in CS% despite the 10 points of arm difference. Why are we ignoring that data in favor of Orcins? Sample sizes are similar, it seems just as legit to me...
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I spent real money on 350K PP yesterday to buy Ed Walsh. My starting catcher is Mike Lava and my backup is live Posey. I win 95+ every year. I think I'll be okay
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Here's my PL data to add:
Posey - 1087 games - 70 arm rating - 34.7% CS - .22 CS per game Burgess - 1125 games - 49 arm rating - 35.2% CS - .26 CS per game Burgess's lower arm rating is enticing more runners to go, but they are getting thrown out at roughly the same rate despite over 20 points of arm rating. So overall it's Burgess for the win. Not saying everyone will experience this, but two thousand games is quite a lot of waiting around for a supposed advantage to manifest. |
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