Please fix this game Developers I beg you.

Risk2014 · 03-18-2014, 12:35 PM

I hate coming here and making it look like I am consistently bashing this game but enough is enough.

I beg the developers to stop adding more new stuff into this game and just to concentrate on the basic hockey issues. Concentrate on the NHL not other leagues.

1. The trading AI is still broken. This has not been fixed at all. Please finally fix it.

2. Game crashes please fix them! I just had one when I was on the trade screen and tried to remove a player from the trade screen and it crashed, plus consistent crashes when I try to edit players...very annoying. We all paid money for a complete game that DOES NOT CRASH.

3. The fighting mechanics are horrible, yes there is fighting more fighting but its the person that does the fighting that does not make any sense.

4. FA signings and resigning dont work! See other posts about this issue!

5. Dull and bland match engine that needs to be replaced, I know you afe getting there and when u do replace it with the next update what else is going to go wrong???

Its been like forever since this game has been released and yet nothing has been fixed!

I beg you to stop adding more options until the basic ones are fixed so people can actually enjoy the game.

Thank you!!!!

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-18-2014, 12:44 PM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...220-post1.html

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

2. Game crashes please fix them! I just had one when I was on the trade screen and tried to remove a player from the trade screen and it crashed, plus consistent crashes when I try to edit players...very annoying. We all paid money for a complete game that DOES NOT CRASH.

Can you upload all the saves which crash please? That way I can quickly see what happens and fix it for the next update. That would help me a lot, thx!

Edit: http://support.ootpdevelopments.com/...kbarticleid=73 (instructions)

Risk2014 · 03-18-2014, 12:51 PM

The thing is I tried uploading the saves and nothing has been done to fix certain issues. I take my time out and do what I can to help you guys out and nothing gets resooved or fixed we are still getting bugs and crashes. So I say whats the point?

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-18-2014, 12:57 PM

Who did you talk to? I was told that most people don't bother to upload saves.

I totally understand your frustration about sending in saves and don't get any response. This time I will handle it myself so I hope you can help out just one more time. That really would help me to eliminate crashes.

What I need are the names of the save files you uploaded and a short report on what I should do to get the crash.

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

The thing is I tried uploading the saves and nothing has been done to fix certain issues. I take my time out and do what I can to help you guys out and nothing gets resooved or fixed we are still getting bugs and crashes. So I say whats the point?

Risk2014 · 03-18-2014, 01:01 PM

I will try and upload it as soon as I get home tonight. But please fix the other issues I beg you!!!! I supported you guys all I want is a simple basic game!!!

geckon · 03-18-2014, 02:51 PM

First of all I need to thank you for not just bashing the game. I really appreciate your effort to help e.g. by reporting the crashes. Still, there are few points I feel a need to react to...

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

I beg the developers to stop adding more new stuff into this game and just to concentrate on the basic hockey issues. Concentrate on the NHL not other leagues.

1) NHL is not the same as basic hockey issues. There are many European users who would say "Screw the NHL, we want European leagues done!!!". Please don't be selfish.
2) Once again: Adding new leagues takes time from the researchers, not from the developers. These are distinct groups of people.

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

1. The trading AI is still broken. This has not been fixed at all. Please finally fix it.

Yes, the trading system isn't perfect. Please help to make it better by reporting weird trades you see.

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

Its been like forever since this game has been released and yet nothing has been fixed!

Ehm...

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Originally Posted by Risk2014

I beg you to stop adding more options until the basic ones are fixed so people can actually enjoy the game.

I actually do enjoy the game. Sure, it's not perfect and there are many features that could be added/improved to make the game more enjoyable. But I can't say that I don't enjoy it right now.

teak88 · 03-19-2014, 12:26 PM

I know this can't be done immediately, but maybe w/ an early Update.

First of all, trading has gotten much better in the last couple of versions. It's harder to game the system, etc. But it is still, imo, the weakest part of the game.

One fix, in particular, would make me really happy...

Change the Trade Difficulty setting from five settings (V Hard, Hard, Avg, etc) to either a slider or 10-15 gradations. I don't understand the underlying architecture, but doesn't seem that hard a thing to do; I'm guessing some simple changes to the AI algorithm for weighting player value.

With OOTP 13, an "Average" setting is too easy; the human player gets more value than is realistic. A "Hard" setting means No Trades; the AI would offer Chico Escuelo for Stephen Strasburg if it offers anything at all. We need a way to find the equilibrium btwn these two settings

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-19-2014, 12:38 PM

There must be a sign somewhere: "If it is something bad -> post it on the FHM board, the game sucks anyway".

On a serious note, you should post this on the OOTP board.

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Originally Posted by teak88

I know this can't be done immediately, but maybe w/ an early Update.

First of all, trading has gotten much better in the last couple of versions. It's harder to game the system, etc. But it is still, imo, the weakest part of the game.

One fix, in particular, would make me really happy...

Change the Trade Difficulty setting from five settings (V Hard, Hard, Avg, etc) to either a slider or 10-15 gradations. I don't understand the underlying architecture, but doesn't seem that hard a thing to do; I'm guessing some simple changes to the AI algorithm for weighting player value.

With OOTP 13, an "Average" setting is too easy; the human player gets more value than is realistic. A "Hard" setting means No Trades; the AI would offer Chico Escuelo for Stephen Strasburg if it offers anything at all. We need a way to find the equilibrium btwn these two settings

JRoc · 03-19-2014, 06:02 PM

I have come up the ranks with hockey sims starting way back with HLS2 to FHL to freebie EHM and then to the Sega EHM.

I have owned this game for not even 24hrs and this game is not worth $40, maybe $15 tops. And trust me I waited and waited and waited for an OOTP half price type deal that never came up.

Games crashes, trading is painful, game crashes, coaches getting fired, GM's getting fired (you must decide immediately to accept an offer), the replaced coaches and GM's getting fired. This is all a 1/4 of the way through 1 season. If I want to continue I can't accept a deal to a new team because it crashes when I want hire a coach. And I haven't even gotten to player negotiations because I can't trade players to get under cap, I blame Ken Holland for that one!

I never had the privilege of playing before 1.6.2 but if everyone says this is significantly improved than yikes it should never have left beta.

I will do what you need to improve the game. Apparently uploading some sort of files is norm. But as of right now I just kissed $48CAD good by and will probably return to EHM2007.

UI has a very OOTP feel to it, which is understandable as not to reinvent the wheel, but some of the details don't translate to hockey. Hard to explain but it feels baseball not hockey!

My 2cents from an experienced hockey sim guy. Please don't be offended but nothing will ever compare to HLS2 and the weeks wasted updating players and having 8-10 guys doing weekend season sims with zero sleep and hour long trade negotiations!!

Cheers!

mgom27 · 03-19-2014, 09:12 PM

New stuff is nice.

Changes like somethings can only be done on July 1st means I can't added former Active Blues to the Blues on 8-15-13. In OTTP no certain date to when we can Edit a Pitchers or Players team can do it all year round.

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-20-2014, 06:13 AM

We are not OOTP, we are FHM. The hockey world is much more complex then the Baseball world, so we have to be much more sensible with customization going forward.

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Originally Posted by mgom27

New stuff is nice.

Changes like somethings can only be done on July 1st means I can't added former Active Blues to the Blues on 8-15-13. In OTTP no certain date to when we can Edit a Pitchers or Players team can do it all year round.

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-20-2014, 06:20 AM

I see it a bit different but of course respect your opinion.

Regarding the crashes, thats something we need saves to look up what is causing them. So when you have the time it would be great if you could upload them (see link above to see how). Please tell me here when you did, the name(s) of the saves and what exactly I should do to reproduce the crash.

@ Risk2014: did you have the time to upload your crash saves? Just want to make sure it does not get lost again!

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Originally Posted by JRoc

I have come up the ranks with hockey sims starting way back with HLS2 to FHL to freebie EHM and then to the Sega EHM.

I have owned this game for not even 24hrs and this game is not worth $40, maybe $15 tops. And trust me I waited and waited and waited for an OOTP half price type deal that never came up.

Games crashes, trading is painful, game crashes, coaches getting fired, GM's getting fired (you must decide immediately to accept an offer), the replaced coaches and GM's getting fired. This is all a 1/4 of the way through 1 season. If I want to continue I can't accept a deal to a new team because it crashes when I want hire a coach. And I haven't even gotten to player negotiations because I can't trade players to get under cap, I blame Ken Holland for that one!

I never had the privilege of playing before 1.6.2 but if everyone says this is significantly improved than yikes it should never have left beta.

I will do what you need to improve the game. Apparently uploading some sort of files is norm. But as of right now I just kissed $48CAD good by and will probably return to EHM2007.

UI has a very OOTP feel to it, which is understandable as not to reinvent the wheel, but some of the details don't translate to hockey. Hard to explain but it feels baseball not hockey!

My 2cents from an experienced hockey sim guy. Please don't be offended but nothing will ever compare to HLS2 and the weeks wasted updating players and having 8-10 guys doing weekend season sims with zero sleep and hour long trade negotiations!!

Cheers!

Penfold75 · 03-20-2014, 06:58 AM

Decided to give the new patch a go for a few days before posting. I can see progress being made here with the new game systems such as Scouting and I feel that the game is moving in the right direction in some aspects.

However, I still see some of the elements of the game that haven't been right since day one still either the same or in no better shape e.g. Trading, Signing Prospects and signing Free Agents (Average players with little NHL experience who are looking for more inflated salaries than ever before being the main issue).

I have also seen that players aren't progressing and reaching even close to their potential ratings after 3/4 seasons and that is even with increases in some attributes. To be mentioning workarounds and a patch for a patch already is pretty poor.

The fact that people are still reporting bugs/crashes at this time is concerning as we are now rapidly approaching the end of March 2014 and there is still the Match Engine patch to come and 'another major patch' if I have read the posts correctly (not sure if I misread that).

Time is moving on towards what I imagine will be the development time for FHM2015 and its eventual release I imagine at the end of Q3/Q4 2014. With many issues still prevalent in the current version will the new version iron them out as little if any progress has been made on them since September 2013.

My confidence that FHM2105 will be much of an improvement is quite low at present. I also imagine that some of the features that some people will be hoping for in the next version might not be included as in my opinion the priority really needs to be fixing this versions issues in FHM2015.

I really want this game to succeed but I just find with the issues I see and experience that I find it hard to like playing it.

geckon · 03-20-2014, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Penfold75

I have also seen that players aren't progressing and reaching even close to their potential ratings after 3/4 seasons and that is even with increases in some attributes. To be mentioning workarounds and a patch for a patch already is pretty poor.

Players are progressing. The only problem is that their abilities don't update so you don't see it at the first glance. However, their attributes improve and it has effect on their performance.

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Originally Posted by Penfold75

The fact that people are still reporting bugs/crashes at this time is concerning as we are now rapidly approaching the end of March 2014 and there is still the Match Engine patch to come and 'another major patch' if I have read the posts correctly (not sure if I misread that).

There will always be bugs in any game and in any software. If you don't see bug reporting at other software it can mean two things:
- You haven't looked enough for a bug reporting place.
- The developers aren't interested in bug reports for whatever reason.
It definitely doesn't mean that there aren't bugs. The fact that FHM developers want bug reports and provide a way to send them is actually a very good thing. They show us that they care and that they want to make the game better.

Penfold75 · 03-20-2014, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by geckon

Players are progressing. The only problem is that their abilities don't update so you don't see it at the first glance. However, their attributes improve and it has effect on their performance.

There will always be bugs in any game and in any software. If you don't see bug reporting at other software it can mean two things:
- You haven't looked enough for a bug reporting place.
- The developers aren't interested in bug reports for whatever reason.
It definitely doesn't mean that there aren't bugs. The fact that FHM developers want bug reports and provide a way to send them is actually a very good thing. They show us that they care and that they want to make the game better.

As a software developer I am well aware that there are always bugs/crashes in software. This game was supposed to be initially released in Early 2013. The fact so many bugs, issues not being fixed and crashes are being reported after well over a year of development is concerning. I challenge anyone to honestly say that they don't think that.

geckon · 03-20-2014, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Penfold75

As a software developer I am well aware that there are always bugs/crashes in software. This game was supposed to be initially released in Early 2013. The fact so many bugs, issues not being fixed and crashes are being reported after well over a year of development is concerning. I challenge anyone to honestly say that they don't think that.

It has already been stated by the developers that they had originally underestimated the time needed for implementing all the planned/announced features and that they do consider it a mistake. You need also take into account the fact that there are only two developers working on FHM. That's nowhere near the same manpower as months of development with a bigger team.
Yes, the game was released in September but many systems have been completely rebuilt since then (like scouting and player development in the last patch). It's natural that it will bring new crashes and bugs.

Penfold75 · 03-20-2014, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by geckon

It has already been stated by the developers that they had originally underestimated the time needed for implementing all the planned/announced features and that they do consider it a mistake. You need also take into account the fact that there are only two developers working on FHM. That's nowhere near the same manpower as months of development with a bigger team.
Yes, the game was released in September but many systems have been completely rebuilt since then (like scouting and player development in the last patch). It's natural that it will bring new crashes and bugs.

Only two guys at the moment in my development team for a large utility company and that argument doesn't wash with management or team leaders of the departments we develop systems for. Sick of hearing that tired excuse.

Sebastian Palkowski · 03-20-2014, 07:37 AM

I don't think we need to go down that road again. Please let's concentrate on the two users from this thread that want to send in save files with crashes so I can check them out. Thanks!

Penfold75 · 03-20-2014, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Palkowski

I don't think we need to go down that road again. Please let's concentrate on the two users from this thread that want to send in save files with crashes so I can check them out. Thanks!

When people raise concerns or explain how they feel about the game the same excuses are trotted out by people which I find frustrating. Some issues don't need saved games to be sent in to report them as they are clearly evident every time you play e.g. Trading, Free Agent signing etc... These aren't bugs but issues with how the game is coded/the AI in the game.

People posting over and over since version one has not led to much of an improvement.

jonnycosmic · 03-20-2014, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Penfold75

As a software developer I am well aware that there are always bugs/crashes in software. This game was supposed to be initially released in Early 2013. The fact so many bugs, issues not being fixed and crashes are being reported after well over a year of development is concerning. I challenge anyone to honestly say that they don't think that.

It sometimes takes the Sports Interactive guys 6 months to iron out any issues or bugs in the latest Football Manager release and they are a much larger team of developers. I have no qualms that the development team will fix any bugs and make any cosmetic/game changes for the better.

The fact that the devs are on this forum asking for UI suggestions and save game uploads is much more professional than some other sim games I have played in the past. The devs want feedback and suggestions and I can only imagine how disheartened they get with all the "this game is broken" threads.

03-18-2014, 12:35 PM	#1
Risk2014 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 215 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	Please fix this game Developers I beg you. I hate coming here and making it look like I am consistently bashing this game but enough is enough. I beg the developers to stop adding more new stuff into this game and just to concentrate on the basic hockey issues. Concentrate on the NHL not other leagues. 1. The trading AI is still broken. This has not been fixed at all. Please finally fix it. 2. Game crashes please fix them! I just had one when I was on the trade screen and tried to remove a player from the trade screen and it crashed, plus consistent crashes when I try to edit players...very annoying. We all paid money for a complete game that DOES NOT CRASH. 3. The fighting mechanics are horrible, yes there is fighting more fighting but its the person that does the fighting that does not make any sense. 4. FA signings and resigning dont work! See other posts about this issue! 5. Dull and bland match engine that needs to be replaced, I know you afe getting there and when u do replace it with the next update what else is going to go wrong??? Its been like forever since this game has been released and yet nothing has been fixed! I beg you to stop adding more options until the basic ones are fixed so people can actually enjoy the game. Thank you!!!!

03-19-2014, 12:26 PM	#7
teak88 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 209	Trading AI I know this can't be done immediately, but maybe w/ an early Update. First of all, trading has gotten much better in the last couple of versions. It's harder to game the system, etc. But it is still, imo, the weakest part of the game. One fix, in particular, would make me really happy... Change the Trade Difficulty setting from five settings (V Hard, Hard, Avg, etc) to either a slider or 10-15 gradations. I don't understand the underlying architecture, but doesn't seem that hard a thing to do; I'm guessing some simple changes to the AI algorithm for weighting player value. With OOTP 13, an "Average" setting is too easy; the human player gets more value than is realistic. A "Hard" setting means No Trades; the AI would offer Chico Escuelo for Stephen Strasburg if it offers anything at all. We need a way to find the equilibrium btwn these two settings

03-19-2014, 09:12 PM	#10
mgom27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,531	New stuff is nice. Changes like somethings can only be done on July 1st means I can't added former Active Blues to the Blues on 8-15-13. In OTTP no certain date to when we can Edit a Pitchers or Players team can do it all year round. __________________ Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

03-20-2014, 06:58 AM	#13
Penfold75 Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Glasgow in Scotland. Originally Winnipeg. Posts: 426	Decided to give the new patch a go for a few days before posting. I can see progress being made here with the new game systems such as Scouting and I feel that the game is moving in the right direction in some aspects. However, I still see some of the elements of the game that haven't been right since day one still either the same or in no better shape e.g. Trading, Signing Prospects and signing Free Agents (Average players with little NHL experience who are looking for more inflated salaries than ever before being the main issue). I have also seen that players aren't progressing and reaching even close to their potential ratings after 3/4 seasons and that is even with increases in some attributes. To be mentioning workarounds and a patch for a patch already is pretty poor. The fact that people are still reporting bugs/crashes at this time is concerning as we are now rapidly approaching the end of March 2014 and there is still the Match Engine patch to come and 'another major patch' if I have read the posts correctly (not sure if I misread that). Time is moving on towards what I imagine will be the development time for FHM2015 and its eventual release I imagine at the end of Q3/Q4 2014. With many issues still prevalent in the current version will the new version iron them out as little if any progress has been made on them since September 2013. My confidence that FHM2105 will be much of an improvement is quite low at present. I also imagine that some of the features that some people will be hoping for in the next version might not be included as in my opinion the priority really needs to be fixing this versions issues in FHM2015. I really want this game to succeed but I just find with the issues I see and experience that I find it hard to like playing it. Last edited by Penfold75; 03-20-2014 at 07:01 AM.

03-20-2014, 07:37 AM	#18
Sebastian Palkowski Developer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 5,386	I don't think we need to go down that road again. Please let's concentrate on the two users from this thread that want to send in save files with crashes so I can check them out. Thanks! __________________ Buy Franchise Hockey Manager 11

03-18-2014, 12:51 PM	#3
Risk2014 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 215 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	The thing is I tried uploading the saves and nothing has been done to fix certain issues. I take my time out and do what I can to help you guys out and nothing gets resooved or fixed we are still getting bugs and crashes. So I say whats the point?

03-18-2014, 01:01 PM	#5
Risk2014 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 215 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	I will try and upload it as soon as I get home tonight. But please fix the other issues I beg you!!!! I supported you guys all I want is a simple basic game!!!

03-19-2014, 06:02 PM	#9
JRoc Bat Boy Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 11	I have come up the ranks with hockey sims starting way back with HLS2 to FHL to freebie EHM and then to the Sega EHM. I have owned this game for not even 24hrs and this game is not worth $40, maybe $15 tops. And trust me I waited and waited and waited for an OOTP half price type deal that never came up. Games crashes, trading is painful, game crashes, coaches getting fired, GM's getting fired (you must decide immediately to accept an offer), the replaced coaches and GM's getting fired. This is all a 1/4 of the way through 1 season. If I want to continue I can't accept a deal to a new team because it crashes when I want hire a coach. And I haven't even gotten to player negotiations because I can't trade players to get under cap, I blame Ken Holland for that one! I never had the privilege of playing before 1.6.2 but if everyone says this is significantly improved than yikes it should never have left beta. I will do what you need to improve the game. Apparently uploading some sort of files is norm. But as of right now I just kissed $48CAD good by and will probably return to EHM2007. UI has a very OOTP feel to it, which is understandable as not to reinvent the wheel, but some of the details don't translate to hockey. Hard to explain but it feels baseball not hockey! My 2cents from an experienced hockey sim guy. Please don't be offended but nothing will ever compare to HLS2 and the weeks wasted updating players and having 8-10 guys doing weekend season sims with zero sleep and hour long trade negotiations!! Cheers!