Standings Display

BKL · 11-30-2013, 12:55 PM

With my fictional league, I notice that on the standings page if there is a tie between two team, the team listed first is always in reverse alphabetical order. Not a big deal, but just wondering if there is any way to change this or how the game handles ties? What happens if there is a tie at the end of the season...does the team furthest in the alphabet get seeded higher? Would be nice if there's some in-game logic.

Bluenoser · 11-30-2013, 01:03 PM

Just like real life, if there's a tie for a play-off spot, there will be a 1 game play-off to determine who gets the spot.

Does it really matter which team gets listed first? They both have the same record so how they're ordered isn't going to make any difference since there will be a play-off if the above mentioned scenario occurs.

BKL · 11-30-2013, 01:06 PM

Just curious...why do teams get displayed in reverse alphabetical order when tied during the season?

Bluenoser · 11-30-2013, 01:08 PM

It doesn't always get listed in reverse alphabetical - I see it the other way too.

BKL · 11-30-2013, 01:12 PM

Ok, but for some reason in my fictional league it does. I was just wondering why that might be the case and something I could do to change it.

Le Grande Orange · 11-30-2013, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Does it really matter which team gets listed first? They both have the same record so how they're ordered isn't going to make any difference since there will be a play-off if the above mentioned scenario occurs.

It probably doesn't really matter. However, in the interests of clarity some form of tie-breaking ought to be used to resolve standings ties for display purposes. The one that makes the most sense is the head-to-head record, since that is the first tie-breaker when it comes to determining home field advantage in any tie-breaking playoff game; the user can then easily see which club would be the home team in any two-team playoff.

An alternative would be to use the tie-breaking for draft order purposes, i.e. the record of the clubs in the previous season.

Questdog · 11-30-2013, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BKL

Just curious...why do teams get displayed in reverse alphabetical order when tied during the season?

It's always reverse alphabetical.......and I think there is a reason for that......

Bluenoser · 12-01-2013, 08:17 AM

Far as I know, K comes before L in the alphabet.
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BKL · 12-01-2013, 10:49 AM

I think it's based on an internal number assigned as the team ID.

Westheim · 12-01-2013, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BKL

I think it's based on an internal number assigned as the team ID.

That was my thought, too.

@Bluenoser: has any of those teams relocated since the inception of the league? They would obviously *not* change ID's. Maybe one or the other team's original name fits the reverse alphabetical sorting.

Bluenoser · 12-01-2013, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Westheim

That was my thought, too.

@Bluenoser: has any of those teams relocated since the inception of the league? They would obviously *not* change ID's.

No changes, this is original configuration.

Ike348 · 12-01-2013, 11:12 AM

But L does not come before G

Bluenoser · 12-01-2013, 11:16 AM

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But L does not come before G

Huh?

Kelowna comes before Lethbridge.

Alphabetically correct.

Ike348 · 12-01-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Huh?

Kelowna comes before Lethbridge.

Alphabetically correct.

Loggers after Grizzlies.

I was looking at the team nickname, which may or may not be what the OP was talking about. I know that when standings are listed in a newspaper or something, nicknames are rarely used. I was just pointing out something that could support the OP.

thehef · 12-01-2013, 02:26 PM

LGO, in what order are tied teams listed - IRL - in the standings for the also-rans (teams not in playoff contention)? I would think it'd be head-to-head and then some other statistical measures.

Le Grande Orange · 12-01-2013, 05:42 PM

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LGO, in what order are tied teams listed - IRL - in the standings for the also-rans (teams not in playoff contention)?

As far as I'm aware I don't think any 'real' tie-breaking method is used for standings display—the teams are officially considered tied for the position. It's only for other purposes—e.g. the draft—that the tie is broken.

le receveur · 12-01-2013, 06:04 PM

in an environment with a wild card, the system only puts a z-clinched to the team in the wild card position, even though the team in first place in division also clinched a spot. i was going through a september where the Jays and RedSox kept switching 1/2, way ahead of everyone... each time a team dropped to 2nd they would get a z-clinched playoff, and time going into 1st place would suddenly no longer have clinched.

Bluenoser · 12-01-2013, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by le receveur

in an environment with a wild card, the system only puts a z-clinched to the team in the wild card position, even though the team in first place in division also clinched a spot. i was going through a september where the Jays and RedSox kept switching 1/2, way ahead of everyone... each time a team dropped to 2nd they would get a z-clinched playoff, and time going into 1st place would suddenly no longer have clinched.

Sounds like the division title was still up for grabs, while the wildcard was decided in that whoever doesn't win the division will have the wildcard spot.

le receveur · 12-01-2013, 06:39 PM

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Sounds like the division title was still up for grabs, while the wildcard was decided in that whoever doesn't win the division will have the wildcard spot.

still both team had clinched a playoff spot... it was really funny one day the Sox are in, the other day they are not because they won...

Questdog · 12-01-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluenoser

Far as I know, K comes before L in the alphabet.
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I have never ever seen that in any league I have ever done, so I have to think there is some reason for it happening in your game that doesn't happen in mine......

Now they used to be listed in alphabetical order, even after the season was over (there was no tie-breaking system at all)......people complained, so now they are not in alphabetical order and in leagues with no-playoffs the listing system (which is always reverse alphabetical in every league I have ever done) determines the winner.....

11-30-2013, 12:55 PM	#1
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 929	Standings Display With my fictional league, I notice that on the standings page if there is a tie between two team, the team listed first is always in reverse alphabetical order. Not a big deal, but just wondering if there is any way to change this or how the game handles ties? What happens if there is a tie at the end of the season...does the team furthest in the alphabet get seeded higher? Would be nice if there's some in-game logic.

11-30-2013, 01:03 PM	#2
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,136	Just like real life, if there's a tie for a play-off spot, there will be a 1 game play-off to determine who gets the spot. Does it really matter which team gets listed first? They both have the same record so how they're ordered isn't going to make any difference since there will be a play-off if the above mentioned scenario occurs. Last edited by Bluenoser; 11-30-2013 at 01:05 PM.

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Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,136	Far as I know, K comes before L in the alphabet. _ Attached Images Last edited by Bluenoser; 12-01-2013 at 08:19 AM.

12-01-2013, 06:04 PM	#17
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	related in an environment with a wild card, the system only puts a z-clinched to the team in the wild card position, even though the team in first place in division also clinched a spot. i was going through a september where the Jays and RedSox kept switching 1/2, way ahead of everyone... each time a team dropped to 2nd they would get a z-clinched playoff, and time going into 1st place would suddenly no longer have clinched.

11-30-2013, 01:06 PM	#3
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 929	Just curious...why do teams get displayed in reverse alphabetical order when tied during the season?

11-30-2013, 01:08 PM	#4
Bluenoser Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In The Moment Posts: 14,136	It doesn't always get listed in reverse alphabetical - I see it the other way too.

11-30-2013, 01:12 PM	#5
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 929	Ok, but for some reason in my fictional league it does. I was just wondering why that might be the case and something I could do to change it.

12-01-2013, 10:49 AM	#9
BKL All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 929	I think it's based on an internal number assigned as the team ID.

12-01-2013, 02:26 PM	#15
thehef Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 5,345	LGO, in what order are tied teams listed - IRL - in the standings for the also-rans (teams not in playoff contention)? I would think it'd be head-to-head and then some other statistical measures.