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fromtheline · 11-27-2013, 09:15 PM

So I have a soon-to-be 31-year-old, who is a perennial All-Star, whose contract is expiring at season's end. He is asking for a 10-year contract for $27 million each year. Is this unheard of?

iverbure · 11-27-2013, 09:48 PM

see Robinson Cano. only he wanted 30 mil a year

Tyler87898 · 11-27-2013, 10:08 PM

Plus, it shouldn't be too difficult to lower those demands and get a more reasonable offer.

le receveur · 11-27-2013, 10:27 PM

how old was Arod?

The Game · 11-28-2013, 01:47 AM

In OOTP as IRL never give out a 10 year deal.

fromtheline · 11-28-2013, 01:54 AM

Thing is I accidentally clicked "offer minor league extension" a few weeks back and he refused to talk with me. Now he's finally willing to talk to me, I'm afraid that if I don't meet his demands I'll piss him off again. What a situation.

SandMan · 11-28-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by fromtheline

Thing is I accidentally clicked "offer minor league extension" a few weeks back and he refused to talk with me. Now he's finally willing to talk to me, I'm afraid that if I don't meet his demands I'll piss him off again. What a situation.

You just need to piss him off. No player older than 30 should get a contract like the one he is asking for. I would let him go. Been burnt a few times giving my 32 year old player a 7 year contract extension only to see him crash and burn after 3 or 4 years. The longest extension I now give is 7 years with players 27 year old or younger.

The Wolf · 11-28-2013, 12:38 PM

Trade him.

le receveur · 11-28-2013, 12:46 PM

are you getting a Comp pick?

fromtheline · 11-28-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by le receveur

are you getting a Comp pick?

No idea, how can I check? By the looks of his stats, I think I probably would.

slugga27 · 11-28-2013, 07:14 PM

You'll only get a comp pick if you offer arbitration. It's no longer based on stats.

le receveur · 11-28-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by slugga27

You'll only get a comp pick if you offer arbitration. It's no longer based on stats.

that's not true. it depends on expected salary, which is based on results. i had an all-star player, who played so badly during the year, that at least minute i didn't get a Comp pick option (even though it said all year he would qualify, but the 0.4WAR performance was a clear indicator he would be too low for comp)

the information is in the player's profile at the bottom of his contractual info if he is FA eligible..

Shawn0531 · 11-28-2013, 10:05 PM

Well it really depends on the stats he's putting up vs the salary he earns now. If he's still All-Star level give him a 5 year minimum, 7 year max extension for 20mm/year and see if he bites. If not, let him sign somewhere else and get a draft pick in return.

slugga27 · 11-28-2013, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by le receveur

that's not true. it depends on expected salary, which is based on results. i had an all-star player, who played so badly during the year, that at least minute i didn't get a Comp pick option (even though it said all year he would qualify, but the 0.4WAR performance was a clear indicator he would be too low for comp)

the information is in the player's profile at the bottom of his contractual info if he is FA eligible..

Actually...that's incorrect according to the new CBA. Technically, any and every FA can be comp-eligible. All that has to happen is that the player is tendered a qualifying offer. Does performance determine whether a team offers arbitration? No doubt. But is there a direct correlation between performance and comp eligibility? No.

Marinersfan51 · 11-28-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slugga27

Actually...that's incorrect according to the new CBA. Technically, any and every FA can be comp-eligible. All that has to happen is that the player is tendered a qualifying offer. Does performance determine whether a team offers arbitration? No doubt. But is there a direct correlation between performance and comp eligibility? No.

You are correct as to how it works in real life. However, OOTP does not replicate this, he is correct about how it works in OOTP.

slugga27 · 11-28-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marinersfan51

You are correct as to how it works in real life. However, OOTP does not replicate this, he is correct about how it works in OOTP.

Again, incorrect. Yes, OOTP offers the option to use the pre-2012 free agent rules (Type A and Type B). However, default settings use the current CBA, which uses a uniform qualifying offer, which is, admittedly, not calculated the same way as in real life (it's higher in OOTP). However, the point remains that all free agents offered arbitration are comp-eligible. Not sure what part of this you're saying is not true for OOTP.

fromtheline · 11-29-2013, 04:27 AM

What I see is...

Salary Arbitration Status - Not eligible, free agent after contract expires!
Free Agent Type after Season - No Compensation

Tram2Whitaker · 11-29-2013, 11:57 AM

If you are a bit of a gambler, I propose two ways of dealing with this. (if one doesn't work, the second will not be available, so choose wisely)

1) offer a lower contract; if his 10/270 deal is progressive, offer him just the salary in the first year. Without stats (perennial all star is a subjective term) I really couldn't say how much he is worth.

2) This one will probably work, but not if you piss him off. Let him file for free agency. Offer him 80% of what he is asking (which will most likely be 80% of what he's asking now). The problem with this, is you may wind up in a bidding war that lasts the entire offseason; to which you need an exit strategy. If he signs by the winter meetings however, you will likely get a bargain, and boost your fan interest (meaning more money next season)

Marinersfan51 · 11-30-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by slugga27

Again, incorrect. Yes, OOTP offers the option to use the pre-2012 free agent rules (Type A and Type B). However, default settings use the current CBA, which uses a uniform qualifying offer, which is, admittedly, not calculated the same way as in real life (it's higher in OOTP). However, the point remains that all free agents offered arbitration are comp-eligible. Not sure what part of this you're saying is not true for OOTP.

I just tested this and I was correct. OOTP's implementation of the new CBA does not allow every player to be comp eligible, only FA that would be type A or B in the old system are comp eligible.

fromtheline · 11-30-2013, 11:46 PM

Thanks for all the help and advice everybody. Here is what ended up happening:

He eventually accepted my contract offer, which was $175 million over 7 years, which works out to an average of $25 million. I made the offer a few real-time days ago, so I have forgot some of the details, one of them being the buyout amount.

11-27-2013, 09:15 PM	#1
fromtheline Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 153	Extensions So I have a soon-to-be 31-year-old, who is a perennial All-Star, whose contract is expiring at season's end. He is asking for a 10-year contract for $27 million each year. Is this unheard of?

11-28-2013, 01:47 AM	#5
The Game Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Inside The Game Posts: 30,937	In OOTP as IRL never give out a 10 year deal. __________________ Go today don't wait for tomorrow It isn't promised, all the time you get borrowed Don't live your life for other people Don't bottle your emotions till they crack and fill a couple just sorrows Take your mind and refocus go get a paper write your goals out Throw your middle fingers to all your haters "Stay Strong"

11-29-2013, 11:57 AM	#18
Tram2Whitaker All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 619	If you are a bit of a gambler, I propose two ways of dealing with this. (if one doesn't work, the second will not be available, so choose wisely) 1) offer a lower contract; if his 10/270 deal is progressive, offer him just the salary in the first year. Without stats (perennial all star is a subjective term) I really couldn't say how much he is worth. 2) This one will probably work, but not if you piss him off. Let him file for free agency. Offer him 80% of what he is asking (which will most likely be 80% of what he's asking now). The problem with this, is you may wind up in a bidding war that lasts the entire offseason; to which you need an exit strategy. If he signs by the winter meetings however, you will likely get a bargain, and boost your fan interest (meaning more money next season) __________________ 404'd!

11-27-2013, 09:48 PM	#2
iverbure Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 71	see Robinson Cano. only he wanted 30 mil a year

11-27-2013, 10:08 PM	#3
Tyler87898 All Star Reserve Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 794	Plus, it shouldn't be too difficult to lower those demands and get a more reasonable offer.

11-27-2013, 10:27 PM	#4
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	how old was Arod?

11-28-2013, 01:54 AM	#6
fromtheline Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 153	Thing is I accidentally clicked "offer minor league extension" a few weeks back and he refused to talk with me. Now he's finally willing to talk to me, I'm afraid that if I don't meet his demands I'll piss him off again. What a situation.

11-28-2013, 12:46 PM	#9
le receveur All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: canada Posts: 1,736	are you getting a Comp pick?

11-28-2013, 07:14 PM	#11
slugga27 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,272	You'll only get a comp pick if you offer arbitration. It's no longer based on stats.

11-28-2013, 10:05 PM	#13
Shawn0531 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 24	Well it really depends on the stats he's putting up vs the salary he earns now. If he's still All-Star level give him a 5 year minimum, 7 year max extension for 20mm/year and see if he bites. If not, let him sign somewhere else and get a draft pick in return.

11-29-2013, 04:27 AM	#17
fromtheline Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 153	What I see is... Salary Arbitration Status - Not eligible, free agent after contract expires! Free Agent Type after Season - No Compensation

11-30-2013, 11:46 PM	#20
fromtheline Minors (Double A) Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 153	Thanks for all the help and advice everybody. Here is what ended up happening: He eventually accepted my contract offer, which was $175 million over 7 years, which works out to an average of $25 million. I made the offer a few real-time days ago, so I have forgot some of the details, one of them being the buyout amount.