Origin of Compensation Picks

hefalumps · 09-16-2013, 05:35 PM

When OOTP determines the "Draft Order", I can see that multiple teams have multiple picks in certain rounds, or some teams have a pick in a round that should belong to another team. And I understand that this is due to compensation for free agents signed from the previous offseason. But does OOTP actually tell you anywhere which FA signings resulted in which compensation picks? It would be nice if it did, even if only for me to check up on OOTP and make sure it wasn't making a mistake. Right now I'm just blindly trusting that it's got it right. For example, maybe in the draft log report it could describe the origin of each compensation pick there, or in the "Draft Order" screen, hovering over a pick could tell you where it came from.

If this information doesn't currently exist somewhere, I know it won't get into OOTP14, but maybe something for OOTP15? Good idea?

Le Grande Orange · 09-17-2013, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

If this information doesn't currently exist somewhere, I know it won't get into OOTP14, but maybe something for OOTP15? Good idea?

Certainly a good idea. In fact, it should be the standard way it's done.

Sweed · 09-17-2013, 08:59 AM

This is a good idea and I hope it can be added to v15.

blasek0 · 09-17-2013, 01:02 PM

Excellent idea, draft picks in general need significant improvement.

And compensation picks should be implemented properly. As it is (assuming one is playing under the 2012 CBA rules, as far as I can tell, I haven't played with the Type As / Type Bs in OOTP14), players still have to meet a certain "quality threshold" to be eligible for a compensation pick, like the former A/B free agents, when in reality, the only conditions they have to meet are A) spending the entire season on one team, and B) being offered, and declining, a qualifying offer by said team.

sterjs · 09-17-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by blasek0

And compensation picks should be implemented properly. As it is (assuming one is playing under the 2012 CBA rules, as far as I can tell, I haven't played with the Type As / Type Bs in OOTP14), players still have to meet a certain "quality threshold" to be eligible for a compensation pick, like the former A/B free agents, when in reality, the only conditions they have to meet are A) spending the entire season on one team, and B) being offered, and declining, a qualifying offer by said team.

I don't understand compensation pick eligibility and arbitration amounts in this game at all. They both seem to be determined by player ratings, which is obviously impossible in MLB.

stevew · 09-22-2013, 02:52 PM

yeah, it's frustrating how easy it would be to make the compensation work correctly, yet it is implemented so poorly.

Le Grande Orange · 09-22-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

yeah, it's frustrating how easy it would be to make the compensation work correctly, yet it is implemented so poorly.

I wouldn't be so sure about it being to do easily. Many a time I've seen features that seemed easy on the surface that were actually difficult for Markus to program, and other features that seemed complex were actually easy to do. Something to keep in mind.

stevew · 09-22-2013, 03:42 PM

it would seem the current way is way harder.

Has player been on team for current season-yes(same either current implementation or correct implementation)
Offer player qualifying offer-yes or no. (current implementation, only able to offer Yes if random statistical criteria are met, correct way leaves all this out)

If a guy sucks or is not worth more on the FA market, he just takes the QO instead of rejecting it. Maybe rejection logic could use a bit of a fix, but the current incorrect way the game handles it is surely a lot more difficult than doing it correctly IMO

RchW · 09-22-2013, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blasek0

Excellent idea, draft picks in general need significant improvement.

And compensation picks should be implemented properly. As it is (assuming one is playing under the 2012 CBA rules, as far as I can tell, I haven't played with the Type As / Type Bs in OOTP14), players still have to meet a certain "quality threshold" to be eligible for a compensation pick, like the former A/B free agents, when in reality, the only conditions they have to meet are A) spending the entire season on one team, and B) being offered, and declining, a qualifying offer by said team.

The qualifying offer is mandated to be the average of the top 125 salaries in MLB. OOTP does this calculation but not transparently. Markus for whatever reason made it part of the arbitration module. It should be separate.

FWIW I calculate my fictional league QO to be $12,556,285 vs $13.3 IRL. Not bad agreement.

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What I've never seen is a player taking the qualifying offer (or arbitration) in OOTP.

blasek0 · 10-22-2013, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

The qualifying offer is mandated to be the average of the top 125 salaries in MLB. OOTP does this calculation but not transparently. Markus for whatever reason made it part of the arbitration module. It should be separate.

FWIW I calculate my fictional league QO to be $12,556,285 vs $13.3 IRL. Not bad agreement.

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What I've never seen is a player taking the qualifying offer (or arbitration) in OOTP.

The money isn't what I'm really concerned about. The problem is that compensation doesn't get attached every time, when it should be attached to every single player who declines (assuming, obviously, that they spent the entire season on your team). Doesn't matter if the pitcher threw 250 IP of 9.6 ERA ball, or posted 1000 PAs of .000/.000/.000 with a -359 ZR at SS, if he did it all on your roster, and declines a qualifying offer, draft pick compensation is attached.

kimirrer · 10-23-2013, 06:49 PM

Has anyone tried to put in the Competitve Balance Round for low-market teams. I thought about doing that.

RchW · 12-31-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blasek0

The money isn't what I'm really concerned about. The problem is that compensation doesn't get attached every time, when it should be attached to every single player who declines (assuming, obviously, that they spent the entire season on your team). Doesn't matter if the pitcher threw 250 IP of 9.6 ERA ball, or posted 1000 PAs of .000/.000/.000 with a -359 ZR at SS, if he did it all on your roster, and declines a qualifying offer, draft pick compensation is attached.

See this.

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...sation-fa.html

09-16-2013, 05:35 PM	#1
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,374	Origin of Compensation Picks When OOTP determines the "Draft Order", I can see that multiple teams have multiple picks in certain rounds, or some teams have a pick in a round that should belong to another team. And I understand that this is due to compensation for free agents signed from the previous offseason. But does OOTP actually tell you anywhere which FA signings resulted in which compensation picks? It would be nice if it did, even if only for me to check up on OOTP and make sure it wasn't making a mistake. Right now I'm just blindly trusting that it's got it right. For example, maybe in the draft log report it could describe the origin of each compensation pick there, or in the "Draft Order" screen, hovering over a pick could tell you where it came from. If this information doesn't currently exist somewhere, I know it won't get into OOTP14, but maybe something for OOTP15? Good idea?

09-22-2013, 02:52 PM	#6
stevew Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 125	yeah, it's frustrating how easy it would be to make the compensation work correctly, yet it is implemented so poorly. __________________ Sim Tsar The Peanuts and Crackerjacks Baseball League

09-22-2013, 03:42 PM	#8
stevew Minors (Double A) Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 125	it would seem the current way is way harder. Has player been on team for current season-yes(same either current implementation or correct implementation) Offer player qualifying offer-yes or no. (current implementation, only able to offer Yes if random statistical criteria are met, correct way leaves all this out) If a guy sucks or is not worth more on the FA market, he just takes the QO instead of rejecting it. Maybe rejection logic could use a bit of a fix, but the current incorrect way the game handles it is surely a lot more difficult than doing it correctly IMO __________________ Sim Tsar The Peanuts and Crackerjacks Baseball League

09-17-2013, 08:59 AM	#3
Sweed Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 6,698	This is a good idea and I hope it can be added to v15.

09-17-2013, 01:02 PM	#4
blasek0 Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 345	Excellent idea, draft picks in general need significant improvement. And compensation picks should be implemented properly. As it is (assuming one is playing under the 2012 CBA rules, as far as I can tell, I haven't played with the Type As / Type Bs in OOTP14), players still have to meet a certain "quality threshold" to be eligible for a compensation pick, like the former A/B free agents, when in reality, the only conditions they have to meet are A) spending the entire season on one team, and B) being offered, and declining, a qualifying offer by said team.

10-23-2013, 06:49 PM	#11
kimirrer Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 6	Has anyone tried to put in the Competitve Balance Round for low-market teams. I thought about doing that.