Pitching Potential

thegame_45 · 10-09-2011, 12:00 AM

How can you monitor this, so it doesn't go so low so quickly?

I did an inaugural draft, and selected Roy Holliday in the second round. He killed it my first season so I decided to go ahead, and give him a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, he had 5/5 on his stars, and then the next season starts and he has 2 1/2 stars, and his stuff rating has gone down to 8. So I got rid of him, but how can you try and not have this happen.

Dkelley · 04-19-2013, 09:39 AM

I am curious about this too. That happened with Jon Lester on mine once

Bol · 04-19-2013, 09:47 AM

Well Halladay's 36, so with him it's just the natural aging curve.

I find that pitching fluctuates a lot in general, and it goes both ways - I once signed a pitcher who had an overall rating of about 45 on the 20-80 scale, and then a year later it was 61.

This is actually realistic; every year pitchers drop off and new pitchers come onto the scene. Some pitcher who nobody cared about a year ago is suddenly posting ace-like numbers, and some ace (see: Jon Lester in 2012) is suddenly subpar.

BKarchitect · 04-19-2013, 10:57 AM

Isn't this basically what has happened to Halladay in real life?

You need to enjoy the unpredictability that is built into the game. Sometimes guys just lose "it" and the fact that you are stuck with a giant long-term contract on a worthless player is part of your challenge as GM.

This is my favorite part of OOTP over more linear simulations.

theAdam · 04-19-2013, 11:32 AM

I think this is one of the best aspects of iOOTP. A few players age gracefully and stay productive even beyond age 40, some turn 33 and hit a wall. Just like in real life, it is always a gamble giving a player in their mid 30s a major contract. Forces you as a GM to think about roster construction, depth, and long term salary obligations. The most frustrating thing is when a player's batting rating stays high but fielding drops to a 1. The DH was never invented in my OOTP universe!

Once your star players reach their mid 30s you really have a keep an eye on their ratings. Sometimes they slip fast. Just as a recent example, my star pitcher who has been one of my league's top pitchers for the past 18 seasons had his "stuff" rating suddenly drop from 19 to 11 in the off season at age 38. Now in season it has dropped even further. He's 4 wins short of 300 so I'm trying to milk his way to that before I send him out to pasture

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McGuiser · 04-19-2013, 01:13 PM

I like this randomization, too, and I have a related question. In my experience (mostly with iOOTP11, but also 12), the ratings of more than half of the players in the minors do not change at all during the offseason, and many do not change during spring training.

(An aside: with players whose current rating is below potential, I seem to see a lot of minor declines in current ratings, although I would expect most young players to progress, or at least not decline)

I do not follow major league baseball much, but I would have expected some serious changes during spring training as coaches and scouts see players in action, and I expected to see fewer players with no changes at all.

Is that your experience, too? This post is not a complaint, just a reality check for my perception.

Dkelley · 04-19-2013, 06:28 PM

Also I was wondering, I drafted a pitching prospect as a starter, (two in fact) and neither will develop, they both have 3 or more pitches, and their stamina is reasonable, but it still says that they should be in the bullpen. When I change them to a reliever they get to 3 and 4 star ratings, has anyone else had this happen? Someone help me figure this out.

McGuiser · 04-19-2013, 11:43 PM

Yes, Dkelley, that has happened to me. I cannot claim to understand some of the contradictions when you compare the position the AI assigns, the position it indicates over his stamina rating, and (sometimes) his pitch selection, but I might have an answer to your wondering.

MR pitchers are numerous and often not very skilled. If you make your SP into a MR, he suddenly looks a lot better than he did before, since you are now comparing him to an inferior group. Their average stamina is less and they on average command fewer pitches.

Make him an SP again and the rating reflects how he compares to SPs, a more skilled group (and a group with more pitches and better stamina).

10-09-2011, 12:00 AM	#1
thegame_45 Bat Boy Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 11	Pitching Potential How can you monitor this, so it doesn't go so low so quickly? I did an inaugural draft, and selected Roy Holliday in the second round. He killed it my first season so I decided to go ahead, and give him a 5 year 20 million dollar contract, he had 5/5 on his stars, and then the next season starts and he has 2 1/2 stars, and his stuff rating has gone down to 8. So I got rid of him, but how can you try and not have this happen.

04-19-2013, 01:13 PM	#6
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	randomized development I like this randomization, too, and I have a related question. In my experience (mostly with iOOTP11, but also 12), the ratings of more than half of the players in the minors do not change at all during the offseason, and many do not change during spring training. (An aside: with players whose current rating is below potential, I seem to see a lot of minor declines in current ratings, although I would expect most young players to progress, or at least not decline) I do not follow major league baseball much, but I would have expected some serious changes during spring training as coaches and scouts see players in action, and I expected to see fewer players with no changes at all. Is that your experience, too? This post is not a complaint, just a reality check for my perception.

04-19-2013, 09:39 AM	#2
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	I am curious about this too. That happened with Jon Lester on mine once

04-19-2013, 09:47 AM	#3
Bol Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 24	Well Halladay's 36, so with him it's just the natural aging curve. I find that pitching fluctuates a lot in general, and it goes both ways - I once signed a pitcher who had an overall rating of about 45 on the 20-80 scale, and then a year later it was 61. This is actually realistic; every year pitchers drop off and new pitchers come onto the scene. Some pitcher who nobody cared about a year ago is suddenly posting ace-like numbers, and some ace (see: Jon Lester in 2012) is suddenly subpar.

04-19-2013, 10:57 AM	#4
BKarchitect Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 27	Isn't this basically what has happened to Halladay in real life? You need to enjoy the unpredictability that is built into the game. Sometimes guys just lose "it" and the fact that you are stuck with a giant long-term contract on a worthless player is part of your challenge as GM. This is my favorite part of OOTP over more linear simulations.

04-19-2013, 11:32 AM	#5
theAdam Bat Boy Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 14	I think this is one of the best aspects of iOOTP. A few players age gracefully and stay productive even beyond age 40, some turn 33 and hit a wall. Just like in real life, it is always a gamble giving a player in their mid 30s a major contract. Forces you as a GM to think about roster construction, depth, and long term salary obligations. The most frustrating thing is when a player's batting rating stays high but fielding drops to a 1. The DH was never invented in my OOTP universe! Once your star players reach their mid 30s you really have a keep an eye on their ratings. Sometimes they slip fast. Just as a recent example, my star pitcher who has been one of my league's top pitchers for the past 18 seasons had his "stuff" rating suddenly drop from 19 to 11 in the off season at age 38. Now in season it has dropped even further. He's 4 wins short of 300 so I'm trying to milk his way to that before I send him out to pasture .

04-19-2013, 06:28 PM	#7
Dkelley Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 188	Also I was wondering, I drafted a pitching prospect as a starter, (two in fact) and neither will develop, they both have 3 or more pitches, and their stamina is reasonable, but it still says that they should be in the bullpen. When I change them to a reliever they get to 3 and 4 star ratings, has anyone else had this happen? Someone help me figure this out.

04-19-2013, 11:43 PM	#8
McGuiser Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 363	Yes, Dkelley, that has happened to me. I cannot claim to understand some of the contradictions when you compare the position the AI assigns, the position it indicates over his stamina rating, and (sometimes) his pitch selection, but I might have an answer to your wondering. MR pitchers are numerous and often not very skilled. If you make your SP into a MR, he suddenly looks a lot better than he did before, since you are now comparing him to an inferior group. Their average stamina is less and they on average command fewer pitches. Make him an SP again and the rating reflects how he compares to SPs, a more skilled group (and a group with more pitches and better stamina).