Demo

Det. Tigers Fan · 03-01-2003, 10:14 AM

I Neever buy a game blind, I was just wondering if there was any word on when a demo was coming out?

Gromit · 03-01-2003, 10:31 AM

The fact that you're NOT buying this game leads me to believe you're blind.

Take the plunge...you WON'T regret it.

Ragin Cajun · 03-01-2003, 10:35 AM

It's typically a while before the demo is released. But this is the third version of the game I've bought (version 3, 4 and now 5). Very very good game.

Det. Tigers Fan · 03-01-2003, 10:47 AM

The thing is that I can only afford to but one baseball game per year and I generally buy Baseball Mogul. I want to play the demo for comparison (BBM's is already out) before I but either.

Ragin Cajun · 03-01-2003, 10:52 AM

Tiger Fan...I was a big mogul fan until finding OOTP3. I've never gone back to mogul since. It really depends on what you want. Mogul is more geared to detailed managing...calling pitches and stuff. OOTP is geared towards the overall running of a team. Financials, contracts, Free agents...so again it depends on what you are personally looking for.

Check the forum though and make your choice. I believe there is a demo for OOTP4...check www.ootp4.com for that. Granted, it won't have all the new bells and whistles but it will give you a good idea of the general game engine and quite a bit of the basics of the game...those have not changed.

Whichever decision you make, I hope that you will enventually try OOTP and join the community.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-01-2003, 10:54 AM

If you want depth and control over your team and league then OOTP5 is for you, if all you wan to do is simulate a bunch of seasons quickly and with not nearly the depth or control over a team then BBM is for you.

A demo probably won't be out for about a month or so.

Det. Tigers Fan · 03-01-2003, 12:00 PM

I want the depth of control that OOTP has but I played the demo for OOTP last year and was turned off by one thing... the speed (some of you may remember me complaining about this last year). I was bored to death waiting for games to be simulated. Markus has said that OOTP5 is faster, the question is, how much? That is what my decision will be based on. I just don't play slow sports management sims too much. For example I have and love Eastside Hockey Manager but I almost never play it b/c of the speed even though it has a TON of depth.

Ragin Cajun · 03-01-2003, 12:09 PM

Don't notice any speed difference between 4 and 5...not in my opinion at least. But I'm not timing a full season. I usually sim a month or a week and then go look at stats and make lineup adjustments etc...

I get in a few seasons per day when I focus on the game. Guessing it would take you about 20 min (maybe 15) to sim a season with no stopping or looking around.

Det. Tigers Fan · 03-01-2003, 01:10 PM

Thanks Ragin,
I apperciate the info. and I love your sig (GO WOLVERINES!)

kap · 03-21-2003, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ragin Cajun
Mogul is more geared to detailed managing...calling pitches and stuff. OOTP is geared towards the overall running of a team. Financials, contracts, Free agents...so again it depends on what you are personally looking for.

What are you talking about? Isn't it the other way around? OOTP is more micromanagement, while BBM is more of a management sim. In BBM, you don't act as the manager, but more like the GM/owner.

Steve Kuffrey · 03-21-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kap
What are you talking about? Isn't it the other way around? OOTP is more micromanagement, while BBM is more of a management sim. In BBM, you don't act as the manager, but more like the GM/owner.

Well you "can" micro-manage or manage your games, but with BMM the latter isn't an option.

Cuss16 · 03-21-2003, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gromit
The fact that you're NOT buying this game leads me to believe you're blind.

Take the plunge...you WON'T regret it.

lol

ctorg · 03-21-2003, 02:36 PM

As someone who was a big Mogul fan and was initially put off by the speed of OOTP, I'll tell you that you will get used to the speed decrease and come to appreciate how much more you can do with OOTP. There are ways of speeding the game up, like turning off minors simming, that can help. I don't do that anymore anyway, though. The speed is no longer an issue for me.

Det. Tigers Fan · 06-08-2003, 01:05 AM

I've tried the demo, and I agree with Ragin that there is no difference in speed between ver. 4 and ver. 5. Even with turning off the minor leagues, I just simply do not find this game to be fun. I love the _idea_ of many of the features, but when I click to sim one day and have to wait, that just turns me right off. If Markus, and the other developers (if there are any) want my buck for ver. 6 or any future OOTP product, they (or he) will have to focus on optimizing code and things like that that are needed to speed this game up. That is my two cents (for what it's worth

).

Steve Kuffrey · 06-08-2003, 01:13 AM

Thats fine, alot of the speed of the game and what you are looking for in a game do mesh together. If speed and being able to sim many, many seasons w/o much depth then a game like Mogul is fine. I've played it off and on for year but "for me" I get bored after 20 minutes.

To each his own.

braves_81 · 06-08-2003, 01:32 AM

baseball mogul you can only have fun in an online league, which i like better. i would rather have bbm in an online league rather than OOTP because i can sim through and scout and such. when i play ootp its fun but sometimes i get bored with the slow simming, but i dont go play bbm2k4. the AI is stupid, and it is incredibly easy to create a dynasty, there is no ammy draft, the free agent section is crap, you don't offer or get denied, its no fun by yourself. thats why i use it for league purposes only. which i am in 3. bbm2k4 lacks many new features and everything bbm has ootp5 has and better, what turns most people off is the sim speed. which has its up and downs, both games are fun but very different. overall ootp is a better value and will be more fun overall if you literally play the games.

(This post was edited by Steve Kuffrey due to content).

03-01-2003, 10:14 AM	#1
Det. Tigers Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11	Demo I Neever buy a game blind, I was just wondering if there was any word on when a demo was coming out?

03-01-2003, 10:31 AM	#2
Gromit Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Holloman AFB, NM Posts: 164	The fact that you're NOT buying this game leads me to believe you're blind. Take the plunge...you WON'T regret it. __________________ Owner of the 2010 GGNL World Champion Pensacola Pilots, 98-64

03-01-2003, 10:35 AM	#3
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	It's typically a while before the demo is released. But this is the third version of the game I've bought (version 3, 4 and now 5). Very very good game. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-01-2003, 10:47 AM	#4
Det. Tigers Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11	The thing is that I can only afford to but one baseball game per year and I generally buy Baseball Mogul. I want to play the demo for comparison (BBM's is already out) before I but either. __________________ GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

03-01-2003, 10:52 AM	#5
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	Tiger Fan...I was a big mogul fan until finding OOTP3. I've never gone back to mogul since. It really depends on what you want. Mogul is more geared to detailed managing...calling pitches and stuff. OOTP is geared towards the overall running of a team. Financials, contracts, Free agents...so again it depends on what you are personally looking for. Check the forum though and make your choice. I believe there is a demo for OOTP4...check www.ootp4.com for that. Granted, it won't have all the new bells and whistles but it will give you a good idea of the general game engine and quite a bit of the basics of the game...those have not changed. Whichever decision you make, I hope that you will enventually try OOTP and join the community. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-01-2003, 10:54 AM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	If you want depth and control over your team and league then OOTP5 is for you, if all you wan to do is simulate a bunch of seasons quickly and with not nearly the depth or control over a team then BBM is for you. A demo probably won't be out for about a month or so. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

03-01-2003, 12:00 PM	#7
Det. Tigers Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11	a little of both I want the depth of control that OOTP has but I played the demo for OOTP last year and was turned off by one thing... the speed (some of you may remember me complaining about this last year). I was bored to death waiting for games to be simulated. Markus has said that OOTP5 is faster, the question is, how much? That is what my decision will be based on. I just don't play slow sports management sims too much. For example I have and love Eastside Hockey Manager but I almost never play it b/c of the speed even though it has a TON of depth. __________________ GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

03-01-2003, 12:09 PM	#8
Ragin Cajun All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Atascosita, TX Posts: 1,173	Don't notice any speed difference between 4 and 5...not in my opinion at least. But I'm not timing a full season. I usually sim a month or a week and then go look at stats and make lineup adjustments etc... I get in a few seasons per day when I focus on the game. Guessing it would take you about 20 min (maybe 15) to sim a season with no stopping or looking around. __________________ Former NBSL Commissioner: 16 years Former Online League Owner; six time champion

03-01-2003, 01:10 PM	#9
Det. Tigers Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11	Thanks Ragin, I apperciate the info. and I love your sig (GO WOLVERINES!) __________________ GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

03-21-2003, 02:36 PM	#13
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	As someone who was a big Mogul fan and was initially put off by the speed of OOTP, I'll tell you that you will get used to the speed decrease and come to appreciate how much more you can do with OOTP. There are ways of speeding the game up, like turning off minors simming, that can help. I don't do that anymore anyway, though. The speed is no longer an issue for me. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

06-08-2003, 01:05 AM	#14
Det. Tigers Fan Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 11	I've tried the demo, and I agree with Ragin that there is no difference in speed between ver. 4 and ver. 5. Even with turning off the minor leagues, I just simply do not find this game to be fun. I love the _idea_ of many of the features, but when I click to sim one day and have to wait, that just turns me right off. If Markus, and the other developers (if there are any) want my buck for ver. 6 or any future OOTP product, they (or he) will have to focus on optimizing code and things like that that are needed to speed this game up. That is my two cents (for what it's worth ). __________________ GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!

06-08-2003, 01:13 AM	#15
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,023	Thats fine, alot of the speed of the game and what you are looking for in a game do mesh together. If speed and being able to sim many, many seasons w/o much depth then a game like Mogul is fine. I've played it off and on for year but "for me" I get bored after 20 minutes. To each his own. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

06-08-2003, 01:32 AM	#16
braves_81 Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 27	baseball mogul you can only have fun in an online league, which i like better. i would rather have bbm in an online league rather than OOTP because i can sim through and scout and such. when i play ootp its fun but sometimes i get bored with the slow simming, but i dont go play bbm2k4. the AI is stupid, and it is incredibly easy to create a dynasty, there is no ammy draft, the free agent section is crap, you don't offer or get denied, its no fun by yourself. thats why i use it for league purposes only. which i am in 3. bbm2k4 lacks many new features and everything bbm has ootp5 has and better, what turns most people off is the sim speed. which has its up and downs, both games are fun but very different. overall ootp is a better value and will be more fun overall if you literally play the games. (This post was edited by Steve Kuffrey due to content).