Spritze 2010 Historical "High School Age" Database

[Spritze]

Spritze2010HighSchool database available on my FTP site and at Padre's Fan site.

Includes 2010 Lahman stats and "real" minor league stats for several hundred more players.

[djeller1139]

For those of us (like me) who are unexperienced can you (or someone) explain what these are used for and why/how I should use them if I install them?

Thanks

[pbar25]

Originally Posted by djeller1139

For those of us (like me) who are unexperienced can you (or someone) explain what these are used for and why/how I should use them if I install them?

Thanks

the game comes with the traditional Lahman Database, which includes all historical major league players. They debut the year which they historically became professional baseball players.

Each year Spritze creates a customized database which adds an assortment of players not included within the Lahman database (thousands upon thousands).
Historical Negro League players such as Satchel Paige or Oscar Charleston + hundreds of others, Historical Japanese professional players such as Sadaharu Oh + hundreds of others.
Further, he adds in thousands of historical minor league players who never reached the major leagues and were not included in the traditional Lahman database.

With this particular version of his database, he takes it one step further and changes the debut years on all players so that everybody debuts as a 17 or 18 year old out of high school. With the traditional database a player like Ichiro Suzuki would not appear until he was 26 .... while with this version he'll become available as a youngster.
This allows for fun alternate universes, as well as highlighting the use of the new function of signing bonuses.

EDIT: This update includes 2010 stats which are used in various ways during player creation or if you have 'recalc' enabled.

[Gambo]

For some further clarification there is also the Gambo/Spritze database (not updated yet for 2010 season) that uses Spritze's numbers but has players debut when they made their professional debut (not majors debut) and has the correct organizations for each season. This also has the minor leaguers and negro leaguers.

It's basically an alternate version of Spritze's that I do with Spritze's assistance.

Both are great assets for doing fictional leagues with real players or semi-historical leagues.

[Rasmuth]

any clue why when I try to start a historical league in 1901 with the new database, the AL imports with 2 Baltimore Orioles clubs?...it puts 9 teams in the A.L. and it won't work.

[Youkilis4MVP]

I ran into the problem as well... it looks like the 1902 Orioles in the "Teams" spreadsheet is mislabeled 1901. Just changed it to 1902, trying to start a new game now, I'll let you know if it works, but it seems like it should

EDIT: No, it didn't, I even tried to restart the game and try again. Anyone have any ideas on where else the problem could be?

[Overkill]

I changed the second 1901 to 1902, then EVERY year after that right up until 2010. Whichever team came first alphabetically was typically listed the previous year, so I fixed that up and it still did not work. Then, I figured out that I had to delete the .odb file for things to work. Since I don't really know how to rebuild a new one, I am now playing with no .odb file and just loading the Master.csv file like in previous versions. I have yet to play through a season yet to see if I run into any problems with doing things this way, but it seems alright so far.

[majesty95]

I have a couple of questions.

A. When using the DB 2010 in 1968 (into 1969) I have several players that have populated numerous times (9 from what I can tell). These players include but are not limited to Glenn Abbott, Mitsusaki Akasaka, Butch Alberts, Bob Apodaca, Rudy Arroyo, Doug Ault, and dozens of others. This seemed to happen about early-February of 1969. I started the sim in 1968.

B. I noticed this Spritze DB updated in January and the v3 one updated in October. The version without asians is last updated in May. Is there a v3 or 2010 version sans the Asians?

C. I may have selected the wrong DB. What I want is for players to debut the year that they made their pro debut (not MLB) and I do not want Asians. Which one do I need (maybe we should do a Gambo/Spritze primer lol)

Thanks for the help!

[majesty95]

Can someone provide some clarification as to the above questions?

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by majesty95

I have a couple of questions.

A. When using the DB 2010 in 1968 (into 1969) I have several players that have populated numerous times (9 from what I can tell). These players include but are not limited to Glenn Abbott, Mitsusaki Akasaka, Butch Alberts, Bob Apodaca, Rudy Arroyo, Doug Ault, and dozens of others. This seemed to happen about early-February of 1969. I started the sim in 1968.


B. I noticed this Spritze DB updated in January and the v3 one updated in October. The version without asians is last updated in May. Is there a v3 or 2010 version sans the Asians?

C. I may have selected the wrong DB. What I want is for players to debut the year that they made their pro debut (not MLB) and I do not want Asians. Which one do I need (maybe we should do a Gambo/Spritze primer lol)

Thanks for the help!

A. I've had this happen before but I can't remember what caused it. There is nothing you can do about it but it is a glitch in the game when importing historical players. I think it has to do with when/if you have a draft and when.
B. I don't think so.
C. Mine only has the top 50 Asian players and those who played in the Majors.

[majesty95]

Thanks Gambo! Is yours the Gambo/Spritze collab v3? That has the pro debut not MLB debut?

[majesty95]

I downloded the Spritze/Gambo v3 DB and ran a test sim. Players that were drafted in June of 1969 and made their debut in '69 are being drafted in June of '68 in my sim...

Still too many asians BTW :/

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by majesty95

Still too many asians BTW :/

Nothing I can do about that as they all have long form birth certificates.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by majesty95

I downloded the Spritze/Gambo v3 DB and ran a test sim. Players that were drafted in June of 1969 and made their debut in '69 are being drafted in June of '68 in my sim...

Still too many asians BTW :/

Schedule the draft for after November 15th. It's the way the game is programmed and has nothing to do with the database. Even if you use the default database and have a draft scheduled it will import the guys who debut the next year because when the league starts those 1968 guys are already there.

[majesty95]

Yeah, I forgot about that but figured it out. Appreciate all the work!

[JohnMcGraw]

I've tried several of the Spritze db's and I always get the wrong historical stats for players. Starting a league in 1960, for instance, Mickey Mantle's career will begin in 1949 (2 years earlier) and he will have something like 10 hits in 500 ab posted for that year. Is their any way around this (settings, other db versions). I think I've gotten the same result for all the db's posted on Pod's site.

[majesty95]

The reason you are seeing that John is that Spritze's DB's either have the players debut the year of their actual pro debut (not MLB debut) or at the age they would graduate high school.

In your example, Mantle made his "pro" debut in 1949 in Class D at 17 years old. To get Mantle to debut that year, Spritze has to include statistical lines for the years he was in the minors. Unfortunately, there is no way around that other than to use the Lahman (default) DB which produces players the year they made their MLB debut.

[Gambo]

Originally Posted by majesty95

The reason you are seeing that John is that Spritze's DB's either have the players debut the year of their actual pro debut (not MLB debut) or at the age they would graduate high school.

In your example, Mantle made his "pro" debut in 1949 in Class D at 17 years old. To get Mantle to debut that year, Spritze has to include statistical lines for the years he was in the minors. Unfortunately, there is no way around that other than to use the Lahman (default) DB which produces players the year they made their MLB debut.

Actually, this isn't correct.

My version of Spritze's database retains the correct historical statistics for the players. They will still debut according to their pro debut (not MLB -Mantle in 1949).

With my database you can only use neutralized statistics but then again all Spritze's numbers are neutralized anyway.

[Spritze]

Originally Posted by JohnMcGraw

10 hits in 500 ab posted for that year

This was a typo in a formula and should be fixed in the version of the db for OOTP 12.

[JohnMcGraw]

Thanks for the replies. Awesome work on those dbs! Can't wait til 12. Marcus for President, but I'd like to see you guys on his ticket