Womens leagues

[Cryomaniac]

I'm not asking for this for ootp 9, coz it's clearly too late, but wouldn't it be possible to have a flag on a players page that says whether they are a man or a woman, thus allowing us to do women's or mixed leagues easier than we can now.

In the league setup menu we could have a drop down menu that says men only, women only or mixed.

This would let us have a men's and women's league in the same universe.

Of course, you'd need more txt files, one for men, one for women, but oh well.

[kckid4u]

Why do people want to have woman leagues? I just don't get this. This is baseball.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

Why do people want to have woman leagues? I just don't get this. This is baseball.

Because we don't all like the whole baseball is for men, softball is for women shi-?

And because OOTP isn't real life.

[Bishop]

Hobbits weren't doing it for them anymore?

They want the old AAGPBL?

[Cryomaniac]

There's a huge difference between wanting women's leagues and wanting hobbit leagues.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

There's a huge difference between wanting women's leagues and wanting hobbit leagues.

Yes. At least hobbit leagues are realistic.

[Bobbuttons]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

There's a huge difference between wanting women's leagues and wanting hobbit leagues.

And certainly if you start a hobbit league, women hobbits are going to want a league of their own, and probably a movie about it.

[Cryomaniac]

The point is, nothing about OOTP has to be realistic. Is a baseball league in Ghana likely any time soon?

There is no reason, except blatant sexism (not on the part of Markus before anyone thinks I mean that), why there shouldn't be the option women's leagues without needing workarounds.

[galvac]

What is so wrong with wanting to do something with the game that has been done in life? Yes I know there has not been a female player in MLB. However, there have been female players in many other male leagues. And so what if someone wants to run the AAGPBL. Would that hurt the way that you play the game?

As for myself, I do not run female players in my league. However my niece and her friends get me to help them set up all girl leagues for them to play. That turns into a lot of work. I do not mind the time and effort that it takes, but it would be nice if some things were made easier to do. Such as Ht & Wt of players, can we get a setting in the league setup that lets us put the league avg Ht & Wt?

[Syd Thrift]

Now hobbits are peace-lovin' folks you know
They don't like to hurry and they take things slow
They don't like to travel away from home
They just want to play baseball like the gnomes
But one day Bilbo was asked to go
on a big adventure to the caves below,
to help some women hobbits play base-bol
which was not how they did it in the days of old

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by galvac

What is so wrong with wanting to do something with the game that has been done in life? Yes I know there has not been a female player in MLB. However, there have been female players in many other male leagues. And so what if someone wants to run the AAGPBL. Would that hurt the way that you play the game?

As for myself, I do not run female players in my league. However my niece and her friends get me to help them set up all girl leagues for them to play. That turns into a lot of work. I do not mind the time and effort that it takes, but it would be nice if some things were made easier to do. Such as Ht & Wt of players, can we get a setting in the league setup that lets us put the league avg Ht & Wt?

Thanks for putting in better words what I said in the previous post.

[kckid4u]

I personally couldn't careless if you want to run a womens baseball league, but I think it is unreasonable to ask Markus to spend even one second of his time to make it so HIS game can be setup to run womens leagues. He has created an awesome baseball Game/Sim to emulate baseball, geared mainly toward major league setups, and their just isn't any major league woman leagues.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

I personally couldn't careless if you want to run a womens baseball league, but I think it is unreasonable to ask Markus to spend even one second of his time to make it so HIS game can be setup to run womens leagues. He has created an awesome baseball Game/Sim to emulate baseball, geared mainly toward major league setups, and their just isn't any major league woman leagues.

There aren't any pro leagues in Ghana, or even the UK either, but does that mean we shouldn't make them?

How is adding a couple of flags and very-near-duplicate text files in any way unreasonable?

[t_wil1]

I would suggest creating a woman's name template.... I don't see anybody creating a womans league to make you happy. I could be wrong.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

The point is, nothing about OOTP has to be realistic. Is a baseball league in Ghana likely any time soon?

There is no reason, except blatant sexism (not on the part of Markus before anyone thinks I mean that), why there shouldn't be the option women's leagues without needing workarounds.

Economics? Doesn't Markus have to balance what it takes to add a feature to how many will use it or how it will or will not impact sales?

How many would actually use this feature? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 5,000? I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that less than 1% of users would use this feature. Even if it was 1% would it be worth the effort? Any idea how much work it would take to do this right?

You mentioned text files but that's just one thing. And before you go there you may want to talk to the guys that work voluntarily for the text team. And no, I don't presume to talk for them. Who knows, they may be all for it and not mind at all making changes to the file.

How do women age compared to men? How do their skills develop and decline? What data do you use to make these decisions? Someone that plays the game is going to be harping on how it isn't realistic just like they do for the men's development.

Or are you only asking for a "woman flag" and they use the same development as men with less strength and smaller physical size, which would still require some face-gen work? Would people be happy with this?

It just seems like a lot of work for something that the vast majority would never use.

Ghana is apples to oranges and is a way overdone example that many try to use for many reasons. It's a location in a geographical database that took no development time to add. I would imagine taken right from files that already existed at SI for the use in FM. I suppose Markus could have went through that file and removed any countries that don't play baseball but why take the time? The only thing saved would have been a few kb on your hard drive.

I understand you want it in the game but blaming it on sexism and saying but I don't mean Markus? Who do you think decides if it goes in the game?

I can't speak for Markus but my sense is that economically it's just not worth the programing time to put it in when you are trying to market your game to as many people as possible. This is why, after the Sega, SI split, real player rosters are being hyped again. They appeal to a larger group of potential customers. I really don't think it's anything more than that.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by t_wil1

I would suggest creating a woman's name template.... I don't see anybody creating a womans league to make you happy. I could be wrong.

I have done that.

It's more the stuff like hard coded pbp, facegen creating pictures when you don't really want them, not being able to import a different name file for each league in a universe.

Also, I have some programming experience, so I know it wouldn't be "easy" as such to add features, but it would take no more work than adding some of the other features.

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Also, I have some programming experience, so I know it wouldn't be "easy" as such to add features, but it would take no more work than adding some of the other features.

See, that's our point. I'd be willing to bet only 1 in 1,000 (if that) would ever want to run a womens league, so why should Markus spend even a second of his time to add a feature that only 1 person in 1,000 would use when he could take that time and add or improve another feature that the other 999 people could enjoy. It wouldn't make any sense.

[Bobbuttons]

Wish Gastric Reflux was around. I am sure he would have some interesting thoughts on this topic.

[Cryomaniac]

Originally Posted by kckid4u

See, that's our point. I'd be willing to bet only 1 in 1,000 (if that) would ever want to run a womens league, so why should Markus spend even a second of his time to add a feature that only 1 person in 1,000 would use when he could take that time and add or improve another feature that the other 999 people could enjoy. It wouldn't make any sense.

It's fair enough to say only 1 / 1000 people want to do it, but I'd be willing to bet that a similar amount have based a league in any country except the US, Canada, Japan, UK, or Cuba. There are other options that aren't commonly used (1 and 2 man rotations come to mind) but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be there.

I think a compromise would be to let us specify a separate name file and english.xml for each league, and completely turn off facegen for certain leagues, and to allow for all play by play / news text to be edited.

On the subject of the sexism argument, would you want to be able to make men's leagues in a softball game?

[kckid4u]

Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

On the subject of the sexism argument, would you want to be able to make men's leagues in a softball game?

I wouldn't want a softball game.