Number of leagues, career totals

shercot · 04-16-2008, 03:47 PM

Hope this isn't confusing:

I've been wondering why each league only allows two subleagues (despite allowing far more minor leagues). Is it just that trying to track more than that would just be too cumbersome or make the database(s) too huge or something?

In the sim I'm running, which is fictional but with a long-ago-carved-in-stone history, I started out with about half a dozen regional subleagues -- meaning (let's say) three leagues with two subleagues apiece -- and then streamlined everything (knowing I would expand later) into a single league, single subleague, then added a second subleague after five seasons. What I wanted to do was replace the second subleague with a third, different one (wherein the teams would be built with free agents: the existing ones plus all the guys released when Subleague 2 folded).

However, if you delete a subleague, you delete all its records and so on, though the individual players keep their stats. (Right?) So I just renamed Subleague 2 and moved a few teams around and let the players stay put. That would be fine, except that when Subleague 2 became Subleague 3 for Year 21 (of the "streamlined" league), the record-keeping system renamed Subleague 2 to Subleague 3 for all of its previous 15 years (i.e., since the league added a second subleague).

I would have preferred (a) to just delete Subleague 2 (but not the players); (b) keep the Subleague 2 records as they are; (c) add Subleague 3; (d) have the game keep a new set of records; and (e) eventually be able to see records for the three subleagues all mixed together. As it is now, it's okay -- except for the retroactive renaming of Subleague 2.

That said, maybe there's a way to do this next thing, but I don't know: When you look at a player's SION page, it'll show his totals for each league, but no grand total. Will that change for the new version? I mean, I can do the math, but I'd rather not....

conception · 04-16-2008, 04:37 PM

In response to one of your first questions, their can be infinite minor leagues but only two subleagues because minor leagues operate independently of each other. There is no championship between different minor leagues- each minor leagues' playoff setup is the end all. With subleagues, the difference is that they are related to each other because they play each other in a championship at the end of the year. They operate semi-independently, but are part of the same system. I would love to be able to operate 4 subleagues or so, but the game right now is incapable of programming this kind of playoff system, as it would be very convoluted.

shercot · 04-16-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by conception

In response to one of your first questions, their can be infinite minor leagues but only two subleagues because minor leagues operate independently of each other. There is no championship between different minor leagues- each minor leagues' playoff setup is the end all. With subleagues, the difference is that they are related to each other because they play each other in a championship at the end of the year. They operate semi-independently, but are part of the same system. I would love to be able to operate 4 subleagues or so, but the game right now is incapable of programming this kind of playoff system, as it would be very convoluted.

I wonder if the record-keeping system can eventually be changed to make it possible to include as many leagues as you want (within a single game)....

Cryomaniac · 04-16-2008, 05:15 PM

4 subleagues would be infinitely easier to produce playoffs for than 3

Wolfbane · 04-16-2008, 05:34 PM

In response to the first question adding to what the first reply said. With three subleagues within a league, you would have a very complicated playoff draw. Either you would have to do a round robin, create a playoff tournament( like what they do in some football leagues), or find another way. I think the OOTP playoff system is created to be simple and easy to program, the consequence being certain limits to how you set up the league.

Cryomaniac · 04-16-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfbane

In response to the first question adding to what the first reply said. With three subleagues within a league, you would have a very complicated playoff draw. Either you would have to do a round robin, create a playoff tournament( like what they do in some football leagues), or find another way. I think the OOTP playoff system is created to be simple and easy to program, the consequence being certain limits to how you set up the league.

Personally, for three subleagues, the easiest way would be to have league playoffs as normal, then have each league champ play 5 games against the other 2, and the best record wins.

shercot · 04-17-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by shercot

I would have preferred (a) to just delete Subleague 2 (but not the players); (b) keep the Subleague 2 records as they are; (c) add Subleague 3; (d) have the game keep a new set of records; and (e) eventually be able to see records for the three subleagues all mixed together. As it is now, it's okay -- except for the retroactive renaming of Subleague 2.

That said, maybe there's a way to do this next thing, but I don't know: When you look at a player's SION page, it'll show his totals for each league, but no grand total. Will that change for the new version? I mean, I can do the math, but I'd rather not....

Okay, it looks like I'm not gonna get my wish on that first one. I understand the thing about only two subleagues per league -- more than that, and championships would be chaos -- though it's kind of inconvenient that when you delete a subleague, you delete everything about it except for individual player stat lines.

As for the second part: Any chance OOTP9 will show grand totals for players who play in more than one league?

04-16-2008, 03:47 PM	#1
shercot Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 103	Number of leagues, career totals Hope this isn't confusing: I've been wondering why each league only allows two subleagues (despite allowing far more minor leagues). Is it just that trying to track more than that would just be too cumbersome or make the database(s) too huge or something? In the sim I'm running, which is fictional but with a long-ago-carved-in-stone history, I started out with about half a dozen regional subleagues -- meaning (let's say) three leagues with two subleagues apiece -- and then streamlined everything (knowing I would expand later) into a single league, single subleague, then added a second subleague after five seasons. What I wanted to do was replace the second subleague with a third, different one (wherein the teams would be built with free agents: the existing ones plus all the guys released when Subleague 2 folded). However, if you delete a subleague, you delete all its records and so on, though the individual players keep their stats. (Right?) So I just renamed Subleague 2 and moved a few teams around and let the players stay put. That would be fine, except that when Subleague 2 became Subleague 3 for Year 21 (of the "streamlined" league), the record-keeping system renamed Subleague 2 to Subleague 3 for all of its previous 15 years (i.e., since the league added a second subleague). I would have preferred (a) to just delete Subleague 2 (but not the players); (b) keep the Subleague 2 records as they are; (c) add Subleague 3; (d) have the game keep a new set of records; and (e) eventually be able to see records for the three subleagues all mixed together. As it is now, it's okay -- except for the retroactive renaming of Subleague 2. That said, maybe there's a way to do this next thing, but I don't know: When you look at a player's SION page, it'll show his totals for each league, but no grand total. Will that change for the new version? I mean, I can do the math, but I'd rather not....

04-16-2008, 05:15 PM	#4
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04-16-2008, 05:34 PM	#5
Wolfbane Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 30	Number of Leauges In response to the first question adding to what the first reply said. With three subleagues within a league, you would have a very complicated playoff draw. Either you would have to do a round robin, create a playoff tournament( like what they do in some football leagues), or find another way. I think the OOTP playoff system is created to be simple and easy to program, the consequence being certain limits to how you set up the league.

04-16-2008, 04:37 PM	#2
conception All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,150	In response to one of your first questions, their can be infinite minor leagues but only two subleagues because minor leagues operate independently of each other. There is no championship between different minor leagues- each minor leagues' playoff setup is the end all. With subleagues, the difference is that they are related to each other because they play each other in a championship at the end of the year. They operate semi-independently, but are part of the same system. I would love to be able to operate 4 subleagues or so, but the game right now is incapable of programming this kind of playoff system, as it would be very convoluted.