Small OOTP 9 Update

[MidKnight]

Originally Posted by Eugene Church

For you stats freaks, it is only .109351 cents a day.

I'm sorry, could I get that in VORP?

[Syd Thrift]

I will admit that I'd rather see limited graphics on the order of Puresim than sound. The game already creates ball locations; why not use those to graph out the play results?

Also, editable faces!!! Include that info in the import/export stuffs and I will create a wonderful program beyond anybody's wildest dreams!

[Dagrims]

Originally Posted by MidKnight

I'm sorry, could I get that in VORP?

Sure - 10.9351 cents per day.

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by MidKnight

I'm sorry, could I get that in VORP?

Actually, that should be in VORG (Value Over Replacement Game).

[Syd Thrift]

10.9351 Maddens.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by treedom

I'm kinda disappointed that the pitching model overhaul isn't on this list. It's one of the remaining fundamental shortcomings of this otherwise great game, imho. I would've thought it far more essential than, say, sound, which is pretty much the most useless feature that's ever been in OOTP.

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[Dagrims]

Originally Posted by treedom

I'm kinda disappointed that the pitching model overhaul isn't on this list. It's one of the remaining fundamental shortcomings of this otherwise great game, imho. I would've thought it far more essential than, say, sound, which is pretty much the most useless feature that's ever been in OOTP.

pitching model overhaul > sound > meeting women and getting married in the game

[PSUColonel]

minor league disabled lists

[PeeKay53]

I was very happy with OOTP2007 and I will be preordering OOTP9 for sure. I have forgiven Markus for OOTP2006 =P

[statfreak]

Markus, thanks again for the small update and letting us know the game is being worked on.

I look forward to a seeing a more complete feature list and screenshots when they become available.

[statfreak]

Originally Posted by sixto

- Reconfiguration of defensive ratings to acknowledge that while players are generally considered "naturals" at certain positions, anyone who can play SS or CF can almost certainly play any other IF or OF position

- Ability to create players from statistics, the way the game itself can do (and the way most/all competitors or semi-competitors on the market do)

1) I may not understand completely, but this is already in the game. Players are given "generic" IF / OF ratings and their playing time experience at a specific position yields a rating at that position. obviously if a player only has experience at SS, it may take some time playing another IF position (ie experience) to get a similar or equal rating, but it can be done. I do agree in most cases players are either given IF or OF ratings. It is rare to see a player with good / great ratings in both IF and OF but not unusual to see a player with average skills rated nearly equally in both the IF and OF.

2) The ability already exists. Just add the necessary lines to the lahman database and import the player. I've created entire databases for both OOTP 2006 and 2007 to create players from statistics. It would be great to have that ability from within the game, but can be done now.


While not ideal or implemented your preferred way, I think two of your "requirements" already exist.

[The Wolf]

Originally Posted by Dagrims

pitching model overhaul > sound > meeting women and getting married in the game

almost any improvement > sound

[jbmagic]

Tons of tweaks & AI improvement.


Please give us more detail on that.

Every patch or update or new version you always say that.

But the AI is very weak and the same bugs carry over from one version to the next.

Like AI finances, online waiver claims, player releases, free cuts in the off season, broken compensation, coaches/scouts, trades, etc.

I hope this version finally fixes all the AI problems that been in the game from many version now.


MLB Rosters

Its never going to be any good until you let us enter the stats of players to produce the player rating.

Until that can be done by inputing stats instead of ratings I don't think it will get any better. You have to "guess" for a lack of a better term to find the proper ratings mix to make players as you want them to be.

That is going to make it difficult for roster makers.

[Syd Thrift]

jbmagic, exactly which AI improvements should be made? It's not that I think that the AI is perfect, it's that I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by treedom

I'm kinda disappointed that the pitching model overhaul isn't on this list. It's one of the remaining fundamental shortcomings of this otherwise great game, imho.

I said this list is not complete

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by treedom

Call me picky, but I'd rather listen to my music than canned sound clips for the 40 millionth time.

Well, then disable the in-game sound... no big deal I wish my girlfriend was as customizeable as the game... *lol*

[sixto]

Originally Posted by statfreak

While not ideal or implemented your preferred way, I think two of your "requirements" already exist.

I don't agree.

1) Maybe I can play a player at a new position to get him a rating there, but the AI doesn't really comprehend this in a meaningful way. It can play a player out of position because it has no alternative, but can't really groom a player to play a new position nor choose to groom a certain player for a reason, such as, he's not good enough to start but would be a helpful bench player at the four corners, or as a third-string catcher.

Plus, IRL you don't put a guy at 3B and then wait for his "rating" to spin up like it's on the Wheel of Fortune. From the first day he plays a position, you know exactly how good or bad he is at it from his performance, and, while in some cases he may stay at exactly that level as you might rate him, it's probably equally or more common that with experience he will improve - and if he should stop playing the position, he may lose the skills again.

Finally, IRL players move down the defensive spectrum as they age. Exceptions are numerous - Omar Vizquel, Steve Finley - but the most common trajectory is for players to be forced to move toward 2B/3B, 1B or LF/RF as they get older. And, in a great many cases, lost defensive skills are directly related to injuries suffered over the course of a career. None of this is modeled to the extent that it happens in MLB.

2) I don't want to create a custom Lahman DB. So, while it may be perfectly reasonable in your opinion to have to do so, that's not what I'm asking for, and not in my opinion a feature of the game.

[Jestor]

I'll be interested in seeing the interface improvements naturally and the narcissist in me wonders if my 6.5/2K7 interface comparison thread had anything to do with it.

[CobaltJays]

Originally Posted by sixto

Plus, IRL you don't put a guy at 3B and then wait for his "rating" to spin up like it's on the Wheel of Fortune. From the first day he plays a position, you know exactly how good or bad he is at it from his performance, and, while in some cases he may stay at exactly that level as you might rate him, it's probably equally or more common that with experience he will improve - and if he should stop playing the position, he may lose the skills again.

In real life, a player will often practice at his new position between games before getting into a real game. It would be nice if OOTP allowed players to work on certain skills between games.

[Syd Thrift]

Originally Posted by sixto

I don't agree.

1) Maybe I can play a player at a new position to get him a rating there, but the AI doesn't really comprehend this in a meaningful way. It can play a player out of position because it has no alternative, but can't really groom a player to play a new position nor choose to groom a certain player for a reason, such as, he's not good enough to start but would be a helpful bench player at the four corners, or as a third-string catcher.

Plus, IRL you don't put a guy at 3B and then wait for his "rating" to spin up like it's on the Wheel of Fortune. From the first day he plays a position, you know exactly how good or bad he is at it from his performance, and, while in some cases he may stay at exactly that level as you might rate him, it's probably equally or more common that with experience he will improve - and if he should stop playing the position, he may lose the skills again.

Finally, IRL players move down the defensive spectrum as they age. Exceptions are numerous - Omar Vizquel, Steve Finley - but the most common trajectory is for players to be forced to move toward 2B/3B, 1B or LF/RF as they get older. And, in a great many cases, lost defensive skills are directly related to injuries suffered over the course of a career. None of this is modeled to the extent that it happens in MLB.

2) I don't want to create a custom Lahman DB. So, while it may be perfectly reasonable in your opinion to have to do so, that's not what I'm asking for, and not in my opinion a feature of the game.

The crux of the issue is that players don't have enough bleed-over skill between the infield and the outfield. You can play a career SS with no rating at 2B and he'll do pretty well, actually. Yes, his rating will look poor for a while but really he won't commit that many errors and within a month or two he'll be just as good as he was at short if not better. It's very, very rare to see guys go the other way around though. Third base is a special case, as you can put a guy with a good Hands and Arm rating there and he'll do well but no amount of training is going to make an iron-handed natural 2B into a 3B.

There is the problem that you can't easily convert a 2B into a LF a la Juan Samuel (at least not without Thrift Training!!!!). Perhaps that will be fixed. We shall see.

As for being able to key stats in, I'd probably take a wait and see attitude there as well. That's not exactly the kind of thing Markus is going to mention as a major feature upgrade. In fact, doing so might sound like damning his own game with faint praise. "OMG PPLZ U SEE HOW U CAN ALREADY IMPORT SEASONS PLAYERS & YEARS FROM LAHMAN!!!! NOW U CAN TYPE THEM IN TOOOOO!!!!!" I'm not saying this wouldn't be nice, it just... lacks a strong reason to be there for most players. That being said, it's also probably not all that hard to add - the biggest issue I see is finding a place on the Edit screen for it - so yeah, wait and see.

Finally, as for the statty stuff, one of the best aspects of the game last year was that Ronco did beta testing. You would not believe the work he did getting hitting properly modelled. He's back doing it again this year, I believe, and don't be surprised if he's taking on pitching.