Franchise Legends Player Claim: Tug McGraw

PlayTheKids · 02-13-2008, 06:31 PM

First, thanks to all of you who responded to the first four of these I posted yesterday. It's been interesting seeing the results so far.

Second, don't be thrown by the number of ex-Mets or ex-Yankees I've asked about first (including this one). There will be many guys not affiliated with either I'll ask about (as well as many guys who played further ago than 1980...this set will have players from the early 1900s, even some from the 1800s.)

With that said, we move on to what I feel is a very tough call.

Tug McGraw

The debate: Mets vs Phillies

The numbers

Tenure: Mets 1965-1974, Phillies 1975-1984

WARP 3: Mets 30.4 vs Phillies 29.9

Championships: Won World Series with Mets in 1969, Phillies in 1980

All-Star: 1 appearance for each team (Mets in '72, Phillies in '75)

Awards: 5th place in Cy Young voting for Phillies in 1980

Top 5 Seasons (based on WARP3): 7.5 (M), 7.4 (M), 6.7 (P), 4.7 (P), 4.2 (1 year with each team)

Discuss, and thanks again for participating. It really is a help (as I'm surely open to being told my opinion is stupid...marriage does that to you

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andymac · 02-13-2008, 06:39 PM

Wow, tough call. I guess the fact that he was on the mound to clinch the Philly title swings me that way.

The Professor · 02-13-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

Wow, tough call. I guess the fact that he was on the mound to clinch the Philly title swings me that way.

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PlayTheKids · 02-13-2008, 07:35 PM

His role in the Phillies' first championship vs his role in the Mets' first championship. I may not have a tougher call than McGraw in this whole project.

Thanks for the replies.

The Professor · 02-13-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by PlayTheKids

His role in the Phillies' first championship vs his role in the Mets' first championship. I may not have a tougher call than McGraw in this whole project.

Thanks for the replies.

Tug made one appearance in the 1969 NLCS. None in the Mets' World Series triumph.

By comparison, he was in nine games for the Phillies in the 1980 NLCS/WS, including nailing down four saves, two in the World Series against Kansas City.

If you want a case for the Mets, you'd look at '73 with the "You Gotta' Believe" stuff...

...but I don't think that trumps his stay in Philly.

KurtBevacqua · 02-14-2008, 06:35 AM

Probably not enough people remember he was a Met, I know I don't. Yes, I always knew he was once a Met, but that was before my time. To me he was a Phillie.

ctorg · 02-14-2008, 08:40 AM

Wow. I totally think of him as a Met and was only vaguely aware that he played with the Phillies (it's a little before my time). But of course I'm a Mets fan.

Left-handed Badger · 02-16-2008, 08:22 PM

When I was little and first getting interested in baseball he was a Phillie (then again so was Pete Rose

) Right now, I'd have to say it was a tie.

Gastric ReFlux · 02-17-2008, 07:56 AM

View Poll Results: Franchise Legends Player Claim: Tug McGraw
Mets	11	31.43%
Phillies	24	68.57%
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02-13-2008, 06:31 PM	#1
PlayTheKids Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 116	Franchise Legends Player Claim: Tug McGraw First, thanks to all of you who responded to the first four of these I posted yesterday. It's been interesting seeing the results so far. Second, don't be thrown by the number of ex-Mets or ex-Yankees I've asked about first (including this one). There will be many guys not affiliated with either I'll ask about (as well as many guys who played further ago than 1980...this set will have players from the early 1900s, even some from the 1800s.) With that said, we move on to what I feel is a very tough call. Tug McGraw The debate: Mets vs Phillies The numbers Tenure: Mets 1965-1974, Phillies 1975-1984 WARP 3: Mets 30.4 vs Phillies 29.9 Championships: Won World Series with Mets in 1969, Phillies in 1980 All-Star: 1 appearance for each team (Mets in '72, Phillies in '75) Awards: 5th place in Cy Young voting for Phillies in 1980 Top 5 Seasons (based on WARP3): 7.5 (M), 7.4 (M), 6.7 (P), 4.7 (P), 4.2 (1 year with each team) Discuss, and thanks again for participating. It really is a help (as I'm surely open to being told my opinion is stupid...marriage does that to you )

02-13-2008, 06:39 PM	#2
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	Wow, tough call. I guess the fact that he was on the mound to clinch the Philly title swings me that way. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

02-14-2008, 06:35 AM	#6
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	Probably not enough people remember he was a Met, I know I don't. Yes, I always knew he was once a Met, but that was before my time. To me he was a Phillie. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

02-14-2008, 08:40 AM	#7
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Wow. I totally think of him as a Met and was only vaguely aware that he played with the Phillies (it's a little before my time). But of course I'm a Mets fan. __________________ My music "When the trees blow back and forth, that's what makes the wind." - Steven Wright Fjord emena pancreas thorax fornicate marmalade morpheme proteolysis smaxa cabana offal srue vitriol grope hallelujah lentils

02-13-2008, 07:35 PM	#4
PlayTheKids Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 116	His role in the Phillies' first championship vs his role in the Mets' first championship. I may not have a tougher call than McGraw in this whole project. Thanks for the replies.

02-16-2008, 08:22 PM	#8
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	When I was little and first getting interested in baseball he was a Phillie (then again so was Pete Rose ) Right now, I'd have to say it was a tie. __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

02-17-2008, 07:56 AM	#9
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