Hatton-Mayweather - Page 5

Bonedwarf · 12-10-2007, 01:28 AM

Watched the fight tonight and had my own thoughts on it, but realise that I am still a very casual fan and may be mistaken, so figured I'd come here and see what the real experts thought and see if I was completely off in my opinion.

Guess I know more than I thought. Cortez was a joke of a ref. I felt the points deduction, not to mention the endless complaining at Hatton's camp, were ridiculous.

Heck of a fight though. And I really enjoyed seeing Hatton go after Mayweather. While I was hugely disappointed to see Hatton lose, I'm glad it ended the way it did. By the sounds of things, had it gone the distance, the judges decision would be yet another farce.

I am a Brit myself. I was absolutely disgusted at the British fans behaviour during the US anthem. I can fully understand disliking America in the current political climate, but to disrespect the anthem like that was despicable.

Was amused when Tyrese was introduced as part of an "R&B powerhouse" and I've never heard of them, and in Transformers just assumed he an actor

Cap · 12-10-2007, 08:52 AM

I confess I don't get to see much live boxing anymore, so my knowledge of current fighters is, by necessity, based more on what I read. When you consider that Hatton had trouble with Luis Collazo at 147, you have to wonder now why his camp thought he could beat Maywether. Maywhether has obviously grown comfortable at WW, as he still has power at that weight. Hatton would be well advised to stick to 140.

Cap

btown32 · 12-10-2007, 09:02 AM

I agree with a lot of posters, that Hatton would be better off at 140. But the point, er, question is, can Hatton make that weight anymore? He needs to do a better job of staying in shape between fights so he isnt forced to drop so many pounds before a fight. He definitely looked worse for wear before the fight and he did fatigue during the fight. I just dont think he can fight at the lower weight unless he does a better job with his conditioning. I believe it is the same way with Cotto. Cotto would not have been able to stay at the lower weight because he carries more body weight between fights. It was too hard for him to drop weight. His current weight class is more suited for him. Of course, he looks comfortable at his current weight and still keeps his power with him.

hamed · 12-10-2007, 10:35 AM

Very impressed by PBF, what a left hook & then went after him like a prime SRL did!

Ric915 · 12-10-2007, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

Just rewatched the fight.......No way in hell was PBF up by more than 3pts (tops). I had PBF up 2pts going into the 10th....

Stoppage? Go watch it a few more times (not that it would have likely mattered) but it was sort of quick. I mean, not a bad stoppage by any means....but sort of quick when I watch over a couple times..... Hatton was not, not defending himself (he was defending himself more so than Corrales after his 1st KDs Vs Castillo for example....and we all know what happened there....and there are another dozen examples as well).....and Hell Hatton basically trips over his own feet on the second kd (still phased from the 1st kd I'm sure...but about all of PBF follow up shots miss)

I agree the stoppage was quick but if you notice there is one angle where Hatton's corner threw the towel into the ring so either way the fight would have been stopped

And for the record I still dislike PBF but you have to give him his props he keeps on winning

PittPanther · 12-10-2007, 05:55 PM

PBF could be successful in any era. He is hands down the best fighter of my generation, the only other fighter I think that could come close to comparing to him would be Hopkins at 160 who was unstoppable.

Please check your bias at the door and give the guy the credit he deserves. Most people on this board always root against the brash guys who speak their mind. Unlike some of those jokers - Floyd isn't a chump. IN short:

He's slick. He's got power. He talks. He backs it up.

Please stop blaming Cortez either - good stop and he had to assert himself early. The best part of all it was that whenever Ricky attempted his rough-house tactics - Floyd matched him. If you set the tone, be sure you can back it up. On top of that the point wasn't going to help Floyd in anyway, as you coudl see on the official scorecards, it wasn't close. So that all seems like sour grapes. It was Floyd's fight the whole time and anyone that has ever watched him knew that. Hatton is game, no doubt, but he's not on par with PBF.

Both fighters were gracious and classy at the end. Floyd humble in victory, Hatton's interview was comic at times which I appreciated. I think he said it was "a fluke" or some such ****.

I'd love to see Hatton vs. Cotto.

a87star · 12-10-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PittPanther

PBF could be successful in any era. He is hands down the best fighter of my generation, the only other fighter I think that could come close to comparing to him would be Hopkins at 160 who was unstoppable.

Please check your bias at the door and give the guy the credit he deserves. Most people on this board always root against the brash guys who speak their mind. Unlike some of those jokers - Floyd isn't a chump. IN short:

He's slick. He's got power. He talks. He backs it up.

Please stop blaming Cortez either - good stop and he had to assert himself early. The best part of all it was that whenever Ricky attempted his rough-house tactics - Floyd matched him. If you set the tone, be sure you can back it up. On top of that the point wasn't going to help Floyd in anyway, as you coudl see on the official scorecards, it wasn't close. So that all seems like sour grapes. It was Floyd's fight the whole time and anyone that has ever watched him knew that. Hatton is game, no doubt, but he's not on par with PBF.

Both fighters were gracious and classy at the end. Floyd humble in victory, Hatton's interview was comic at times which I appreciated. I think he said it was "a fluke" or some such ****.

I'd love to see Hatton vs. Cotto.

I think you should post this over at the BoxRec forums. The Hatton fans over there are using Cortez as an excuse for the reason their boy got KO'ed.

Me, Mike (mh2365), meade, and a few others in this thread were rooting for PBF. There was one person in particular that had sour grapes over Hatton losing and he predicted that "Hitman" would take out Floyd between rounds 6-8. By far, that had to be the worst prediction of the year.

meade95 · 12-10-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PittPanther

PBF could be successful in any era. He is hands down the best fighter of my generation, the only other fighter I think that could come close to comparing to him would be Hopkins at 160 who was unstoppable.

Please check your bias at the door and give the guy the credit he deserves. Most people on this board always root against the brash guys who speak their mind. Unlike some of those jokers - Floyd isn't a chump. IN short:

He's slick. He's got power. He talks. He backs it up.

Please stop blaming Cortez either - good stop and he had to assert himself early. The best part of all it was that whenever Ricky attempted his rough-house tactics - Floyd matched him. If you set the tone, be sure you can back it up. On top of that the point wasn't going to help Floyd in anyway, as you coudl see on the official scorecards, it wasn't close. So that all seems like sour grapes. It was Floyd's fight the whole time and anyone that has ever watched him knew that. Hatton is game, no doubt, but he's not on par with PBF.

Both fighters were gracious and classy at the end. Floyd humble in victory, Hatton's interview was comic at times which I appreciated. I think he said it was "a fluke" or some such ****.

I'd love to see Hatton vs. Cotto.

Let me tell you my take (and I hear where you are coming from to a degree)...BUT...

First off it is easy to "match" someone's rough tactics....when you are the only one allowed to get away with them! - And facts being facts, that is what on the whole was happening (and I predicted a PBF win....for a long time now, understand that)...

But reality is Cortez was awful!...No if's, and's or but's about it....He allowed PBF to use rough tactics (yes!) but constantly jumped in on Hatton doing so (and then took a crucial point from him to boot).

I do give credit to PBF from "giving it back" (rough tactics).. That is the only way a champion can respond...and props to PBF for having the stones to do so......but like I said, it is very easy to play rough and tumble....espeically so when the Ref is only bitching at the "other guy" for doing it.....(and that was the case by and large).

Cortez sucked! If you can't admit that reality....Then the rest of your words are, well, just empty words. Plain and simple. PBF won the fight (true). Did so in great fashion (true)....But Cortez did help his cause and or made the fight more on PBF terms, in a helpful way....be it direcly or indirectly...(that is also very much true).

Furthermore, there is no denying that PBF would have been better off (for his legacy, if that is what we / some are talking about)...had he showed the stones earlier to fight Hatton at 140 (where Hatton has already shown himself to be stronger at....than at 147. There is no denying this reality either)..... Again, that isn't talking down PBF.....that is just reality. PBF fans have to deal with that...or not.

PBF is a hell of a talent.....Hell of a fighter. But he is still a chump (more often than not). He's a adult man who thinks acting the fool is still "cool".....He's 30 (ish) going on 13 maturity wise.

VaughanDesign · 12-10-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by a87star

There was one person in particular that had sour grapes over Hatton losing and he predicted that "Hitman" would take out Floyd between rounds 6-8. By far, that had to be the worst prediction of the year.

No sour grapes here. Read my post on Mayweather about a half hour ago under "A take on Mayweather". Predictions are for people that don't mind being wrong. They always don't matter and it was just an opinion. I hope that you don't see that as "sour grapes"

VaughanDesign · 12-10-2007, 07:08 PM

My take on Mayweather after a tough fight versus Hatton is that he is among the top 10 elite fighters of all time. He should be mentioned in the same discussions as guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Joe Louis. Not because of the caliber of opponent that Ricky Hatton was, but because of the way that he beat him. I think that there have been questions about Mayweather's toughness and offense for his entire career. The Hatton fight definitely gave him the opportunity to answer them.

A key point in the fight for me was in the 4th round when Hatton appeared to be taking control of the fight and Mayweather answered with great combination punching on the outside for the last 2 minutes of the round to take it. That was the first round that I gave to him in the fight.

Another key point was in the 7th round when Mayweather stood and traded with Hatton despite the fact that Hatton would land a right hand every once in a great while. That showed me that he was willing to sacrifice himself a little to inflict great damage on Hatton. That is what great fighters do in big fights.

The final key point was when in between the 8th and ninth rounds, Roger Mayweather instructed Floyd not to walk away from Hatton and to keep trading on the inside, Floyd did the opposite. He stayed on the outside, and landed a stiff and quick jab that not only won him the round, but softened up Hatton to the point of being knocked out in the 10th. That showed me that at this point in his career he is willing to depend on only himself at points in fights where most guys depend on a game plan or trainer's instructions in big fights.

I also think that he grew up a little in the ring. There were moments when he looked confused, but never lacked poise. He faced everything that he hadn't before and answered all of my questions. I can't wait to see him fight again.

mh2365 · 12-10-2007, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

First off it is easy to "match" someone's rough tactics....when you are the only one allowed to get away with them! - And facts being facts, that is what on the whole was happening .

Somewhere on Saturday night Kostya Tszyu was laughing his ass off.

mh2365 · 12-10-2007, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughanDesign

No sour grapes here. Read my post on Mayweather about a half hour ago under "A take on Mayweather". Predictions are for people that don't mind being wrong. They always don't matter and it was just an opinion. I hope that you don't see that as "sour grapes"

No problems here ... I said Jeff Lacy would KO Joe Calzaghe in 2. We've all had our moments.

meade95 · 12-10-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Somewhere on Saturday night Kostya Tszyu was laughing his ass off.

Good point.

a87star · 12-10-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughanDesign

No sour grapes here. Read my post on Mayweather about a half hour ago under "A take on Mayweather". Predictions are for people that don't mind being wrong. They always don't matter and it was just an opinion. I hope that you don't see that as "sour grapes"

I didn't see your post in the other thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and i'm sorry if I came off a little harsh.

I made a similar prediction to mh2365 in regards to the Lacy/Calzaghe fight and eating crow is not the most pleasant experience in the world but it happens to everyone at some point.

mh2365 · 12-10-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughanDesign

Great fight. I've watched it twice already. I can't believe the scorecards though, and moreover the people who actually thought (on this board) that the fight was fixed in Hatton's favor...Rotten analysis.

Worse than my prediction ofa Hatton blowout? Yes... and by the wayside, I am not a "UFC generation" guy. HAHA!

This was the only thing from you that I saw as sour grapes. Esp. since no one was saying the fight was fixed, just that the circumstances leading up to the fight were fishy.

We can let it go though because your boy got blown up

Meade has one thing right and that it would be hard to classify PBF as an all-time great in any one weight because he didn't really stick around long enough to do anything but win the title. Sugar Ray (even though I can't stand him) is a top 10 all time WW but he isn't a top 10 all time fighter.

I'd say as a WW there is no comparison between him and PBF but I'd rate PBF pretty close to even as far as overall ability. Ray was less than stellar when he ventured out of 147.

VaughanDesign · 12-10-2007, 09:55 PM

You might be right. But to me, he is in the discussion.

I don't separate the fighter's accomplishments by division when I think of a Pound for Pound list. If anything, the fact that he can dominate in many different divisions gives him more of a case in my opinion. He's fought everyone that is out there with the exception of Mosley and Cotto.

It's splitting hairs in anyone's so-called "Pound for Pound" list. But I think that he deserves to be in the discussion.

BigFiasco · 12-11-2007, 07:34 PM

read somewhere we might see hatton-malignaggi next at 140.

mh2365 · 12-11-2007, 07:38 PM

Malinaggi better concentrate on his next fight ... Ngoudjo is one tough SOB.

meade95 · 12-11-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFiasco

read somewhere we might see hatton-malignaggi next at 140.

Hatton would stop Malignaggi inside of 8 rounds.....(make it 10 if Cortez is reffing!!).

a87star · 12-11-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Malinaggi better concentrate on his next fight ... Ngoudjo is one tough SOB.

I'm going to go out on a limb here.....Ngoudjo SD12 Malinaggi.

12-10-2007, 08:52 AM	#82
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 7,966	I confess I don't get to see much live boxing anymore, so my knowledge of current fighters is, by necessity, based more on what I read. When you consider that Hatton had trouble with Luis Collazo at 147, you have to wonder now why his camp thought he could beat Maywether. Maywhether has obviously grown comfortable at WW, as he still has power at that weight. Hatton would be well advised to stick to 140. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

12-10-2007, 09:02 AM	#83
btown32 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lakewood, CA, USA Posts: 3,753	I agree with a lot of posters, that Hatton would be better off at 140. But the point, er, question is, can Hatton make that weight anymore? He needs to do a better job of staying in shape between fights so he isnt forced to drop so many pounds before a fight. He definitely looked worse for wear before the fight and he did fatigue during the fight. I just dont think he can fight at the lower weight unless he does a better job with his conditioning. I believe it is the same way with Cotto. Cotto would not have been able to stay at the lower weight because he carries more body weight between fights. It was too hard for him to drop weight. His current weight class is more suited for him. Of course, he looks comfortable at his current weight and still keeps his power with him. __________________ USBA Heavyweight Universe USBA - Title Lineage B-town Boxing: A Heavyweight Universe 2010-02-24 - B-town Boxing: Universe Information

12-10-2007, 05:55 PM	#86
PittPanther All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,235	PBF could be successful in any era. He is hands down the best fighter of my generation, the only other fighter I think that could come close to comparing to him would be Hopkins at 160 who was unstoppable. Please check your bias at the door and give the guy the credit he deserves. Most people on this board always root against the brash guys who speak their mind. Unlike some of those jokers - Floyd isn't a chump. IN short: He's slick. He's got power. He talks. He backs it up. Please stop blaming Cortez either - good stop and he had to assert himself early. The best part of all it was that whenever Ricky attempted his rough-house tactics - Floyd matched him. If you set the tone, be sure you can back it up. On top of that the point wasn't going to help Floyd in anyway, as you coudl see on the official scorecards, it wasn't close. So that all seems like sour grapes. It was Floyd's fight the whole time and anyone that has ever watched him knew that. Hatton is game, no doubt, but he's not on par with PBF. Both fighters were gracious and classy at the end. Floyd humble in victory, Hatton's interview was comic at times which I appreciated. I think he said it was "a fluke" or some such **. I'd love to see Hatton vs. Cotto. __________________ Commitment Teamwork Pride Hail to Pitt!** Last edited by PittPanther; 12-10-2007 at 05:57 PM.

12-10-2007, 01:28 AM	#81
Bonedwarf All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,339	Watched the fight tonight and had my own thoughts on it, but realise that I am still a very casual fan and may be mistaken, so figured I'd come here and see what the real experts thought and see if I was completely off in my opinion. Guess I know more than I thought. Cortez was a joke of a ref. I felt the points deduction, not to mention the endless complaining at Hatton's camp, were ridiculous. Heck of a fight though. And I really enjoyed seeing Hatton go after Mayweather. While I was hugely disappointed to see Hatton lose, I'm glad it ended the way it did. By the sounds of things, had it gone the distance, the judges decision would be yet another farce. I am a Brit myself. I was absolutely disgusted at the British fans behaviour during the US anthem. I can fully understand disliking America in the current political climate, but to disrespect the anthem like that was despicable. Was amused when Tyrese was introduced as part of an "R&B powerhouse" and I've never heard of them, and in Transformers just assumed he an actor

12-10-2007, 10:35 AM	#84
hamed Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,073	Very impressed by PBF, what a left hook & then went after him like a prime SRL did!

12-10-2007, 07:08 PM	#90
VaughanDesign Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 87	My take on Mayweather after a tough fight versus Hatton is that he is among the top 10 elite fighters of all time. He should be mentioned in the same discussions as guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Joe Louis. Not because of the caliber of opponent that Ricky Hatton was, but because of the way that he beat him. I think that there have been questions about Mayweather's toughness and offense for his entire career. The Hatton fight definitely gave him the opportunity to answer them. A key point in the fight for me was in the 4th round when Hatton appeared to be taking control of the fight and Mayweather answered with great combination punching on the outside for the last 2 minutes of the round to take it. That was the first round that I gave to him in the fight. Another key point was in the 7th round when Mayweather stood and traded with Hatton despite the fact that Hatton would land a right hand every once in a great while. That showed me that he was willing to sacrifice himself a little to inflict great damage on Hatton. That is what great fighters do in big fights. The final key point was when in between the 8th and ninth rounds, Roger Mayweather instructed Floyd not to walk away from Hatton and to keep trading on the inside, Floyd did the opposite. He stayed on the outside, and landed a stiff and quick jab that not only won him the round, but softened up Hatton to the point of being knocked out in the 10th. That showed me that at this point in his career he is willing to depend on only himself at points in fights where most guys depend on a game plan or trainer's instructions in big fights. I also think that he grew up a little in the ring. There were moments when he looked confused, but never lacked poise. He faced everything that he hadn't before and answered all of my questions. I can't wait to see him *fight* again.

12-10-2007, 09:55 PM	#96
VaughanDesign Minors (Single A) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 87	You might be right. But to me, he is in the discussion. I don't separate the fighter's accomplishments by division when I think of a Pound for Pound list. If anything, the fact that he can dominate in many different divisions gives him more of a case in my opinion. He's fought everyone that is out there with the exception of Mosley and Cotto. It's splitting hairs in anyone's so-called "Pound for Pound" list. But I think that he deserves to be in the discussion.

12-11-2007, 07:34 PM	#97
BigFiasco Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 213	read somewhere we might see hatton-malignaggi next at 140.

12-11-2007, 07:38 PM	#98
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Malinaggi better concentrate on his next fight ... Ngoudjo is one tough SOB.