Did Rogers Cheat - Page 8

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I like the color.

Rogers cheated.

how can you say that, with a straight face???

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Yes, I can, Mr. "I don't read posts in the thread before screaming."

First of all, it absolutely, 100% was NOT pine tar. Putting something on your HAND to get a better grip is NOT applying a foreign substance to the ball to alter the characteristics of said ball. By the letter of the rule, Rogers did not cheat. He might have lied about what he did, he might have thought he was cheating and tried to get out of it, but he did NOT cheat. No matter how many stupid big font, fancy colored, trolling posts you make won't change that.

I can show you several quotes from ESPN and CNNSI that completely destroy your lame opinion that pine tar doesn't affect the flight of the ball.

My posts aren't the least bit trolling.

You are wrong, the other Roger's apologists are wrong, Rogers cheated, and thats a wrap.

JDOldSchool · 10-23-2006, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I can show you several quotes from ESPN and CNNSI that completely destroy your lame opinion that pine tar doesn't affect the flight of the ball.

My posts aren't the least bit trolling.

You are wrong, the other Roger's apologists are wrong, Rogers cheated, and thats a wrap.

Except it wasn't pine tar, sillyass.

Edit: I hate board rules that prevent us from making it a better place.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:50 PM

I just read a fun comment, from Rogers, who said the umpires NEVER told him to wash his hands.

.....DIRECTLY contradicted by his manager, who said the umpires absolutely told him to wash his hands.

Why would Rogers say this?

To me, it is completely clear. He was trying to deflect the investigation, and downplay being caught with the illegal substance on his hand.

GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Except it wasn't pine tar, sillyass.

Edit: I hate the board rule that makes it not ok to encourage suicide for stupidity.

So, what was it, dirt?

Are you still sticking with the dirt excuse?

Are you?

HMMMMM?

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:51 PM

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MuertoDesagradecido · 10-23-2006, 06:52 PM

Ah, dsvitak vs. JDOldSchool. If this doesn't end up with some bannings I'll be quite surprised.

andymac · 10-23-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

So, what was it, dirt?

Are you still sticking with the dirt excuse?

Are you?

HMMMMM?

What leads you to believe it was pine tar? The pictures definitely don't prove that as from what I see it could be a large number of things.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Area Bob

Edited by CC - see explanation

Calm down here...we are winning, on FACTS.

There are NO FACTS to support dirt, not with photographic evidence spanning a several month period.

So, not dirt.

If not dirt, then it MUST be an illegal substance.

BOOM! SUSPEND THE CHEATER!!!!

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by andymac

What leads you to believe it was pine tar? The pictures definitely don't prove that as from what I see it could be a large number of things.

Sure, a large number of things, last night, game 3 of the ALCS, AND a July 20th start against the White Sox.

Sure, completely reasonable.

Go ahead and provide a REASONABLE explanation.

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Calm down here...we are winning, on FACTS.

There are NO FACTS to support dirt, not with photographic evidence spanning a several month period.

So, not dirt.

If not dirt, then it MUST be an illegal substance.

BOOM! SUSPEND THE CHEATER!!!!

who is we

Raidergoo · 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM

Either that or hit his weak stuff.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MuertoDesagradecido

Ah, dsvitak vs. JDOldSchool. If this doesn't end up with some bannings I'll be quite surprised.

I am completely under control...i have the facts on my side.

No bannings here.

JDOldSchool · 10-23-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

So, what was it, dirt?

Are you still sticking with the dirt excuse?

Are you?

HMMMMM?

If you would actually read posts instead of trying out your effing giant rainbow, you would know that I suggested a substance similar to what bowlers use. It could have been benzoin or something similar. I never said it was dirt. Ever, ever. Read a little, learn a lot. Type in big, stupid colors without educating yourself, learn nothing.

It's very possible to argue the semantics of the rules here because the rules have a loophole. Did Rogers (likely unknowingly) utilize that loophole? Seems that way. But you're saying things that simply can't be true. Where are the baseballs with the pine tar stuck to it? Pine tar isn't going to stay on the hand and not transfer to the ball, especially as much as it appeared was on his hand. Another substance might not (and if it does, it may not have any ball-altering effect).

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

First of all, it absolutely, 100% was NOT pine tar.

Please post the link to the test results of what was on his palm. Then and only then will I buy into what you're saying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDOldSchool

Putting something on your HAND to get a better grip is NOT applying a foreign substance to the ball to alter the characteristics of said ball.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...9/ai_n14673169

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BASEBALL A really sticky situation; Suspension raises more questions
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Jun 19, 2005 by TOM HAUDRICOURT
What's worse? Cheating with pine tar or cheating with steroids?

Los Angeles Angels right-hander Brendan Donnelly was given a 10- day suspension for being caught Tuesday night with pine tar on his fielding glove. Section 3.02 of Major League Baseball's official rules calls for that penalty for any pitcher found with a "foreign substance" on his glove or person.

Donnelly didn't get a chance to actually doctor a baseball, being caught before he threw a pitch after Washington Nationals manager Frank Robinson asked umpires to check his glove. But the 10-day suspension was levied nevertheless by discipline czar Bob Watson.

This is why folks have problems with baseball's current drug policy, which calls for a 10-game suspension on a first offense for steroid use. Politicians, fans and media alike criticized MLB for not suspending players longer for drug use, and Commissioner Bud Selig eventually asked the union to accept tougher penalties, including a 50-game suspension for a first offense.

The union has yet to respond, but that's a story for another day.

Jay Howell was ejected for pine tar on his glove in the 1988 NLCS, too.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Area Bob

who is we

Anyone who believes in the TRUTH.

or can't you HANDLE the truth?

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Please post the link to the test results of what was on his palm. Then and only then will I buy into what you're saying.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...9/ai_n14673169

Jay Howell was ejected for pine tar on his glove in the 1988 NLCS, too.

Nice find.

magnet · 10-23-2006, 06:58 PM

w00t for black and white logic!

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Anyone who believes in the TRUTH.

or can't you HANDLE the truth?

YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL

JDOldSchool · 10-23-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

Please post the link to the test results of what was on his palm. Then and only then will I buy into what you're saying.

Touch pine tar. Touch something else with it. That's all the proof you'll need.

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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...9/ai_n14673169

Jay Howell was ejected for pine tar on his glove in the 1988 NLCS, too.

So? What's your point? I'm not seeing how this is relevant to the rule exception and what I have been saying.

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10-23-2006, 06:50 PM	#144
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,345	I just read a fun comment, from Rogers, who said the umpires NEVER told him to wash his hands. .....DIRECTLY contradicted by his manager, who said the umpires absolutely told him to wash his hands. Why would Rogers say this? To me, it is completely clear. He was trying to deflect the investigation, and downplay being caught with the illegal substance on his hand. GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY.

10-23-2006, 06:52 PM	#147
MuertoDesagradecido Major Leagues Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Saint Francisco Posts: 436 Infractions: 0/1 (1)	Ah, dsvitak vs. JDOldSchool. If this doesn't end up with some bannings I'll be quite surprised.

10-23-2006, 06:55 PM	#152
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	Either that or hit his weak stuff.

10-23-2006, 06:58 PM	#158
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	w00t for black and white logic!