Did Rogers Cheat - Page 7

treedom · 10-23-2006, 06:32 PM

Does Rogers have any Hapsburg in his blood? Just wondering lol

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:32 PM

NOBODY HAS EVER SET FOOT ON THE MOON YOU DAFT PUNKS

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raidergoo

They should have nuked Rogers, and LaRussa is a lesser man for not pressing the button.

I am not real happy with Tony LaRussa right now.

He should have BOLTED out of that dugout when Vizcaino came to him, about the camera's evidence.

He should have ran right the **** out to the mound, screaming to high heaven about the doctored baseballs.

Rogers would have been ejected, immediately.

Would the game have turned out differently? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

I would honestly and genuinely be this exercised if it was a Cardinals player. There is no place in this game for cheaters.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Does Rogers have any Hapsburg in his blood? Just wondering lol

Ooooh! A hemophelia reference! Very good!

Bay Area Bob · 10-23-2006, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Ooooh! A hemophelia reference! Very good!

Exclamation points!

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Hmmm. You're right. Your big words prove it. Case closed.

EDIT: The color of your words also add to their correctness.

Thanks...i went for Cardinal red, and don't think i got it. Damned color vision!!

But, I sure as hades saw the STAIN on his hand after he attempted to hide the evidence. Dirt don't leave translucent stains like that.

Jason · 10-23-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I would honestly and genuinely be this exercised if it was a Cardinals player. There is no place in this game for cheaters.

I agree with you. The problem is that unless he's caught by an umpire you can't say he's a cheater. Yeah, I saw the same video and came to the same conclusion you did. At the end of the day, it's like Barry Bonds and his Happy Cream...until an authority says he's guilty you'll have nothing more than your opinion.

Did the umpires drop the ball? Yes in that they never checked him but LaRussa should have moved before that inning was over.

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

There is no place in this game for cheaters.

Try telling that to Barry Bonds.

MuertoDesagradecido · 10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

You're joking, right?

THREE SEPARATE DAYS, THREE SEPARATE GAMES, SAME SPOT, SAME PLACE, AND THEY ARE ALL DIRT CLODS? ARE YOU DAFT? (emphasis added)

Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Johnny Canuck · 10-23-2006, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

You cannot say, with a straight face, that Rogers did not cheat. That position was THOROUGHLY destroyed by the photographic evidence. THOROUGHLY.

Your logic is completely screwed up. Amazingly convoluted, and totally without merit.

For WHATEVER reason, the umpires decided not to "inspect" his pitching hand, but rather "observe" it, and order him to wash his hands.

I am 100% convinced that the umpires had no desire to "inspect" Rogers, knowing FULL WELL that they would have to suspend him.

This may have been LaRussa's doing, or they may have decided on their own to say: "wink, wink, you've been busted, wash your hand, QUICK!"

Either way, he is GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY, on at LEAST three separate occasions.

You're right, I'm not saying it with a straight face - I'm writing it with a straight face.

There is a quote from the umpires saying they know the difference between dirt & a foreign substance (obviously), & that they observed that there was no foreign substance present. There is absolutely no reason to believe that MLB umpires would ignore a flagrant violation of the rules of the game, particularly considering that this kind of violation has been noticed before with pitchers being ejected in the playoffs. Like I said, I have enough faith in MLB umpires to get a call like this right.

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 06:38 PM

No, actually. The smudges are identical according to the visual evidence. It's clear that Rogers has done this previously but no one ever said anything to him about it.

AnotherAlias · 10-23-2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck

You're right, I'm not saying it with a straight face - I'm writing it with a straight face.

There is a quote from the umpires saying they know the difference between dirt & a foreign substance (obviously), & that they observed that there was no foreign substance present. There is absolutely no reason to believe that MLB umpires would ignore a flagrant violation of the rules of the game, particularly considering that this kind of violation has been noticed before with pitchers being ejected in the playoffs. Like I said, I have enough faith in MLB umpires to get a call like this right.

Baseball turned a blind eye to steroids for years. You don't think they would do the same in this instance?

You sure have a lot of faith in MLB that some people don't seem to have anymore.

Johnny Canuck · 10-23-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

I am not real happy with Tony LaRussa right now.

He should have BOLTED out of that dugout when Vizcaino came to him, about the camera's evidence.

He should have ran right the **** out to the mound, screaming to high heaven about the doctored baseballs.

Rogers would have been ejected, immediately.

Would the game have turned out differently? I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.

I would honestly and genuinely be this exercised if it was a Cardinals player. There is no place in this game for cheaters.

To be perfectly honest, I wish LaRussa had made a bigger deal over this, & insisted on a formal inspection of Rogers by the umpires. That would have resolved this issue one way or the other. With the way it was handled, we are left with the worst-case scenario - i.e. no absolute determination regarding the substance, which means that Rogers & this World Series (if the Tigers win) is tainted forever without determination of guilt, & lets conspiracy theorists run wild with the situation.

cephasjames · 10-23-2006, 06:41 PM

Hey everybody, have we come to a consenses on this yet? Because, this is a really long thread with lots of people saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

treedom · 10-23-2006, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

Ooooh! A hemophelia reference! Very good!

Hemophilia? No, wasn't that the Romanovs?

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck

To be perfectly honest, I wish LaRussa had made a bigger deal over this, & insisted on a formal inspection of Rogers by the umpires. That would have resolved this issue one way or the other. With the way it was handled, we are left with the worst-case scenario - i.e. no absolute determination regarding the substance, which means that Rogers & this World Series (if the Tigers win) is tainted forever without determination of guilt, & lets conspiracy theorists run wild with the situation.

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What he said.

cephasjames · 10-23-2006, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Hemophilia? No, wasn't that the Romanovs?

I think it amphrodantial.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by treedom

Hemophilia? No, wasn't that the Romanovs?

Most of the Great Houses in Europe had the hemophilia genes rampant.

Kind of like good 'ol West Virginia marriages, where the family trees were a stick.

dsvitak · 10-23-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cephasjames

Hey everybody, have we come to a consenses on this yet? Because, this is a really long thread with lots of people saying the same things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

I like the color.

Rogers cheated.

JDOldSchool · 10-23-2006, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

You cannot say, with a straight face, that Rogers did not cheat.

Yes, I can, Mr. "I don't read posts in the thread before screaming."

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Originally Posted by 9lives

Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or Rule 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty.

First of all, it absolutely, 100% was NOT pine tar. Putting something on your HAND to get a better grip is NOT applying a foreign substance to the ball to alter the characteristics of said ball. By the letter of the rule, Rogers did not cheat. He might have lied about what he did, he might have thought he was cheating and tried to get out of it, but he did NOT cheat. No matter how many stupid big font, fancy colored, trolling posts you make won't change that.

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AnotherAlias Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I'm back...for now Posts: 4,190	No, actually. The smudges are identical according to the visual evidence. It's clear that Rogers has done this previously but no one ever said anything to him about it.