Why the hell is everyone so negative??

[Big Koolaid]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I'm not saying people don't have the right to criticize, but my god!!! People are so adverse to change and something new that they are just going nuts. This is/will be a far better game than the old OOTP versions. If you're so hung up on them...go play them and please let those who enjoy a much more detailed model do just that. I've never seen such fear of the unknown. Why does everyone think this was going to be more like older versions rather than a new one? This should not be coming as a shock to anyone who has been paying attention over the last 2 years. I for one think this version is going to be a quantum leap over the older ones, but those of you who don't, you still have an option. It's called OTTP 6.5...there's your customization.

Of course you are.

Chug chug!

[truthserum]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I am not a a fanboy, and regularly criticize OOTP where I think it may need it. But most of you here aven't even gven this version a fair shot, and it seems the only thing you are really interested in, is anything that almost identically resembles the old versions.

I think this version is going to be great for guys who devote a lot of time to solo play. For those that play in, mostly, online leagues, I think it might be a lot more difficult to enjoy.

[TC Dale]

Let's keep it civil discussions folks, agree to disagree, but if the insults and lack of consideration for each other's viewpoints continue we will see restrictions placed on people for not showing respect even if we don't see eye to eye.

Everyone has a right to discuss their opinions and what they like or dislike, but let's not lose our focus and concentrate on making the game better for all.

If warnings and thread closings are needed to get people to take a step back and relax we will do so, but I think we don't need to resort to that do we?

Please consider that your gameplay experience is different than others, it doesn't make yours better or worse, just different. We will address the issues and make it a better game, but falling into namecalling and not showing respect to everyone is not going to bode well in the long run ok?

Thanks.

[PSUColonel]

Originally Posted by ForemanFan

Well you can get that feeling all you want while playing your untainted sim, away from us whiners and pissers and moaners. Leave us be to wallow in our own misery, self-loathing and self-pity. But, please, by all means enjoy yourself while doing so.

I absolutely will.

[dashby]

I'm seeing most of the bitching out here isn't about the "new" stuff or, even, some of the extreme deviations from the old. Much of the complaining is about bugs and much needed programming clean up. It is justifiable criticism and I'm also tired of all the crusaders out here that scream and whine everytime a legitimate problem is noted.

I realize that this game is not merely an evolution of OOTP 6.5 but a completely retooled revamped game that has it's own identity that barely resembles the old. However, that does not excuse all the many bugs mentioned. I've played the game for about an hour and have seen several anomalies that have really compromised my playing experience (I've mentioned several in threads). I expect many of these will be addressed.

I started playing OOTP at version 3. Guess that means 5 purchases if you include 6.5? This is the first Markus title that I really wished I had waited to purchase. The bugs I've encountered make the playability cumbersome at best. I could have waited a couple weeks for a patch that may have cleaned up the programming flaws.

So, my point is this...those of you that feel compelled to lash out at the critics should really mind your own business. These forums are set up for a free exchange of information, ideas, and group problem solving. Not talking about the bugs does NOT make them go away.

[ForemanFan]

Originally Posted by TC Dale

Let's keep it civil discussions folks, agree to disagree, but if the insults and lack of consideration for each other's viewpoints continue we will see restrictions placed on people for not showing respect even if we don't see eye to eye.

Everyone has a right to discuss their opinions and what they like or dislike, but let's not lose our focus and concentrate on making the game better for all.

If warnings and thread closings are needed to get people to take a step back and relax we will do so, but I think we don't need to resort to that do we?

Please consider that your gameplay experience is different than others, it doesn't make yours better or worse, just different. We will address the issues and make it a better game, but falling into namecalling and not showing respect to everyone is not going to bode well in the long run ok?

Thanks.

I'd very much like to keep it civil, TC, I really would. But when all a person wants to do is make a suggestion, something he thinks will improve the game and make it funner for him and other like-minded individuals, and then he gets flamed like crazy for it. . . well, it's not fair in the least bit.

I'm very accepting of what others may consider fun, and I don't want THEM penalized for it, but it seems that many others don't feel the same way. That's unfortunate. I trust in the programmers to make a number of adjustments which will satisfy all parties concerned, but how will they be able to sort through everything when the merest of suggestions gets shot down by others right at the onset?

*sigh* All I ever wanted was some lousy stars. . .

[ForemanFan]

Originally Posted by PSUColonel

I absolutely will.

Then why-are-you-still-here??

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Azamien

Aren't you bitching about people bitching about people bitching?

Will it never end?

No, I'm not. I just said it puzzles me. It just makes me ask myself, "don't these people realize they're doing the same thing?". It makes me think they're really no better and sometimes even worse than the people their complaining about, but I'm past it aggravating to me.

[Bonedwarf]

What I find funny is those who seem to be of the "I fear change" crowd... I had decided OOTP 6 was the end of the road for me. It did what I wanted from a sim. (I am not a hardcore baseball nerd who cares about career splits etc...)

It was seeing the move to SI (despite my reservations about the company) and a more Football Manager style to the game.

In short, I pre-ordered because it was a big change, not in spite of it.

Not done much in the game yet. In fact I may wait until the first patch comes out to try it properly.

[ForemanFan]

Originally Posted by Bonedwarf

What I find funny is those who seem to be of the "I fear change" crowd... I had decided OOTP 6 was the end of the road for me. It did what I wanted from a sim. (I am not a hardcore baseball nerd who cares about career splits etc...)

It was seeing the move to SI (despite my reservations about the company) and a more Football Manager style to the game.

In short, I pre-ordered because it was a big change, not in spite of it.

Not done much in the game yet. In fact I may wait until the first patch comes out to try it properly.

I'm not sure that fear factors into it. If we really feared change, we wouldn't have waited 2 years for this thing and made list upon list of changes that we thought may help the new version. And if we truly feared change, we wouldn't have plunked down thirty five bucks for the game. Unless. . . we're all just sick masochists, heheh.

[MetalMan]

I don't have the game yet (will get it this afternoon, will be pretty much my first baseball management game), but my theory is that (as with most newly released games) those tha are disappointed are on here moaning, and those that like/love it are playing the game and are too busy to come here and say how great it is

[ForemanFan]

Originally Posted by MetalMan

I don't have the game yet (will get it this afternoon, will be pretty much my first baseball management game), but my theory is that (as with most newly released games) those tha are disappointed are on here moaning, and those that like/love it are playing the game and are too busy to come here and say how great it is

Your grip of the obvious is breathtaking.

[Marc Duffy]

Whilst I share some of that, I don't dismiss the opinion of anyone dissapointed or with problems. It's up to us to work on those problems and I'm confident that over the coming month or two we'll do just that.

Provided you get your issues logged in the support forum there is every chance of it making the fix list for future patches.

We'll also look at the interface more and see if we can make improvements.

[Go Middies]

I've been around OOTP since #5 and I bought 2006 today. That being said, well, I'm a little disappointed. I love EHM and this looks like a baseball port of EHM. I wouldn't have considered that interface for a baseball sim. When you go to use the roster for batting orders and such, you can't see the whole roster at the same time. That's a little rough. Same with rotations.

Injuries are crippling on the average setting. Wow.

I do like the trade interface but don't like the lack of an 'offer around' button/feature.

It's really hard to find the free agents that are available if you're an EHM user. Normally with EHM, you can just filter those that are on a team out but not with OOTP. Kind of a paradigm shift needed for those of us.

When I created a global universe I was getting trade offers from Japan, Mexico and others. That's something that needs to be adjusted, methinks. When was the last time you saw a player get dealt from Japan to the US. Exactly. They're all FAs.

I haven't managed to play a season yet but just played around with the interface and tried to see what it's like. First opinion is that I'd rather have the 6.12/6.5 interface back.

[Fool Inc.]

Originally Posted by Go Middies

When I created a global universe I was getting trade offers from Japan, Mexico and others. That's something that needs to be adjusted, methinks. When was the last time you saw a player get dealt from Japan to the US. Exactly. They're all FAs.

There is an option to turn off trades between leagues...

[Le Grande Orange]

Originally Posted by Go Middies

Injuries are crippling on the average setting.

This issue was raised during testing but Markus checked the numbers and said they were spot-on to the actual injury data he got from Baseball Prospectus.

[swampdragon]

Learning curve alert. I'm more comfortable than I was 12 hours ago and less comfortable than I will be 24 hours from now. Right now I think that's the real problem. We've gotten fat and happy with the old game and all the bells and whistles we've added over the years. As we learn our way around and download the new bells and whistles we'll be happier.

[Michael Xavier]

For a long time, for real life reasons, I stopped coming to this forum. It wasn't anything personal, but I will say that since I have come back, anticipating this release, I've noticed a lot more of what I would call mean-spiritedness. Maybe it was present three or four years ago, and either I didn't notice or posters like Draft Dodger or Subby eased the tension with comedy.

[Mariners]

Originally Posted by ozziethesaint

the problem is for almost every new cool thing added, there's one that's been taken away

Then don't play the game, simple! Go back to which ever version you thought best!

[Mariners]

Originally Posted by dashby

I'm seeing most of the bitching out here isn't about the "new" stuff or, even, some of the extreme deviations from the old. Much of the complaining is about bugs and much needed programming clean up. It is justifiable criticism and I'm also tired of all the crusaders out here that scream and whine everytime a legitimate problem is noted.

I realize that this game is not merely an evolution of OOTP 6.5 but a completely retooled revamped game that has it's own identity that barely resembles the old. However, that does not excuse all the many bugs mentioned. I've played the game for about an hour and have seen several anomalies that have really compromised my playing experience (I've mentioned several in threads). I expect many of these will be addressed.

I started playing OOTP at version 3. Guess that means 5 purchases if you include 6.5? This is the first Markus title that I really wished I had waited to purchase. The bugs I've encountered make the playability cumbersome at best. I could have waited a couple weeks for a patch that may have cleaned up the programming flaws.

So, my point is this...those of you that feel compelled to lash out at the critics should really mind your own business. These forums are set up for a free exchange of information, ideas, and group problem solving. Not talking about the bugs does NOT make them go away.

Bugs are a problem for every single game released, no matter what it is. Regular gamers know that and generally put up with it until a patch is released, so to come on here moaning about bugs in the first release of a completely new re-write of a game is a little bit whiney in my opinion. As you said, you could have waited a couple of weeks for a patch, so why didn't you? I realise that there will always be bugs in a new release but that doesn't bother me as I know with SI that they will listen to the reports on this forum and fix as many of the problems as possible.